Originally posted by eaebiakuyaonslaught ripped the gem of cyttorak from juggy's body, subsequently depowering him:
I read in a thread that Juggernaut was weakened in the fight against onslaught. Anyone have scans of This ? Is This true ?
Originally posted by sernyakhe's never done that. internet myth.
Can somebody tell me where did Lobo lift 5d box as heavy as the universe?
Originally posted by Galan007
[B]onslaught ripped the gem of cyttorak from juggy's body, subsequently depowering him:
http://i.imgur.com/orTRNQO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3NT8lAS.jpg
Thank you.
But i also found in a old KMC thread, people saying he was weakened before that fight:
Juggernaut was in an alternate dimension that severely drained him of his powers. While there he was easily cut and took other injuries. This happened in Malibu's run on the "All New Exiles". Then he was tricked by one of his team mates that sent him home. He practically ran right into Onslaught who tore the gem out of his chest with his index finger and thumb.
this is true ?
well, at his BASE-level, AM stalemated the original monitor(who was a confirmed multiversal power) for "one million years.":
http://i.imgur.com/MptlOfA.jpg
base-level AM also owned ALL of the guardians simultaneously. he did this by manipulating the energies of the GL central battery itself, and using it against them(an absolutely unprecedented display of energy manip.):
http://i.imgur.com/dofHtG7.jpg
at his PEAK(ie. after stacking the power of nigh-infinite universes onto his already multiversal power), it took a massively amped corrigan-spectre, just to briefly thwart AM. spectre was amped to such a degree, in fact, that he'd arguably become more powerful than his master(the supreme being/god.):
http://i.imgur.com/nVtMshp.jpg
that should answer your question.
^ Beat me to it. Though i think ill keep my response.
(Edit): Also, Pre-crisis, the Voice wasn't specifically God. He was still a multiversal power though, "it" was safeguarding the multiverse. Spectre's master wasn't established to be God until the 90s.
Otherwise, we have AM >>>> Superme being/God. Which doesn't make much sense. Still that shows that AM was definitely above multiversal.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
What is the best Feat of COIE Anti Monitor ? I know he destroyed many universes, but did he destroyed more than a single universe at same time ?
I don't recall that being shown on panel. But im pretty sure he is capable of doing so. After all, he destroyed infinite universes in a limited amount of time, so yeah.
Also consider this.
the Monitor transported 2 entire universes through his power simultaneously. Harbinger (who is empowered by the Monitor) did the same thing to 3 universes simultaneously. Not to mention that the Monitor was empowered by the infinite positive matter universes. YET the Monitor himself was at best an equal to the Anti Monitor even before he began with his multiversal destruction (which made AM more and more powerful).
Regarding your previous question:
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Thank you.But i also found in a old KMC thread, people saying he was weakened before that fight:
this is true ?
No it's not. Because Juggernaut recovered when he was leaving the Ultraverse (in issue #5). He was only weakened while inside the Ultraverse (which is located in another multiverse).
http://i.imgur.com/lIzZwSx.jpg?1
And even then. There's no telling just how much he was weakened (the poster you quoted said he was "severely drained"😉, it was never even stated as far as i recall; im assuming it's because of the scene where Qune manages to "cut" him (which isn't something new, for instance in the Spiderman/X-Force crossover Shatterstar blade cut him pretty easily) and he started to wonder if his power is fading. Although nothing specific.
Btw, Onslaught stomped Juggernaut in a previous encounter too. And put him in a coma.
Thank you guys!
Do you have scans o feats of Monitor (universal/multiversal feats) ?
And what happened after AM receveid this blast from Spectre ? How this full powered AM was defeated ?
I always read a interent myth about a "bunch of pre crisis heroes" defeating AM, but i guess this is far from what happened...
Originally posted by operator616👆
I don't recall that being shown on panel. But im pretty sure he is capable of doing so. After all, he destroyed infinite universes in a limited amount of time, so yeah.
there is no doubt in my mind that AM was capable of destroying multiple universes simultaneously. after all, as of COIE #2, AM had only destroyed "more than one thousand universes":
http://i.imgur.com/YGQtFBJ.jpg
...implying that the total number of universes destroyed was just over a scant 1,000 at the time.
fast-forward to COIE #8, and only 5 universes remained in the entire multiverse:
http://i.imgur.com/SfuZCvK.jpg
and as we know, the pre-crisis multiverse contained INFINITE universes:
http://i.imgur.com/Y2eHSxR.jpg
so yeah, AM could not have possibly went from 1,000 to infinity within a mere 6-issues, unless he was capable of destroying multitudes of universes at the same time.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Thank you guys!Do you have scans o feats of Monitor (universal/multiversal feats) ?
And what happened after AM receveid this blast from Spectre ? How this full powered AM was defeated ?
I always read a interent myth about a "bunch of pre crisis heroes" defeating AM, but i guess this is far from what happened...
Monitor created a netherverse inside himself and transported 2 entire universes within himself:
http://i.imgur.com/sI4idHY.jpg
And Harbinger (empowered by him) did the same to 3 universes simultaneously:
http://i.imgur.com/R8BjLqs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/P1srRd4.jpg
So there's your confirmation of a multi-universal power at least. And at that point, the Monitor was weakened, and AM was more powerful since he consumed many positive matter universes.
the full powered AM was defeated in his battle with the spectre, he survived, but was depowered.
The Supremen (and Darkseid helped as well as i recall) defeated a depowered AM.
Originally posted by operator616That's the only time in that universe Juggernaut was ever hindered by being "weakened" in any way as well. Although he was knocked out by Phoenix but that doesn't really count any way.
No it's not. Because Juggernaut recovered when he was leaving the Ultraverse (in issue #5). He was only weakened while inside the Ultraverse (which is located in another multiverse).http://i.imgur.com/lIzZwSx.jpg?1
And even then. There's no telling just how much he was weakened (the poster you quoted said he was "severely drained"😉, it was never even stated as far as i recall; im assuming it's because of the scene where Qune manages to "cut" him (which isn't something new, for instance in the Spiderman/X-Force crossover Shatterstar blade cut him pretty easily) and he started to wonder if his power is fading. Although nothing specific.
Btw, Onslaught stomped Juggernaut in a previous encounter too. And put him in a coma.
Considering he stalemated Supreme it doesn't seem like much though.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
That's the only time in that universe Juggernaut was ever hindered by being "weakened" in any way as well. Although he was knocked out by Phoenix but that doesn't really count any way.Considering he stalemated Supreme it doesn't seem like much though.
For what it's worth Siena mentioned that her powers were decreased by half. But i doubt that applies to everyone, especially in Juggernaut's case.
Yeah probably. And he stalemated Prime btw.
That's the one. I always mistake him for Supreme and I mistake no one for Prime due to the forgettable factor. That dang Prime
But anyway Juggernaut's strength wasn't an issue anymore than it is in 616. His weakened form was simply to cover any happenings outside normal. There's not too much stock to place in that even if he never fully recovered, which he did.
