Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbeIf we're going by Uncanny Avengers, then she can absorb the powers of pretty much every hero on Earth, and function just fine.
Isn't there a limit though?
I remember Rogue trying to absorb Magneto (drawn by Jim Lee, it was in the savage Lands) and fail because there was too much power, or something like this.
Originally posted by -Pr-Ms Marvel absorption
Does anyone know if Rogue's power level is quantified in terms of the powers she absorbs?Example: When she absorbs Cyclops' blasts, is it 1:1 in terms of power? When she uses them are they less powerful? More powerful?
I can't seem to find a scan that states it.
Originally posted by Galan007
I believe she gets their full powers.These bios corroborate the same thing:
http://i.imgur.com/4SlsAEl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eAqofhQ.jpgThe abilities Rogue absorbs last 60x longer than the initial contact time. So if she touched someone for 1 second, she would retain their full abilities/memories/training/etc. for 1 minute.
And obviously, prolonged contact can result in permanent absorption.
I knew about the 60 thing. just the power level was what had me unsure.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes, it failed with Ares, too. And she could only absorb one ability out of Exodus' powerset.Anyway, back to Pr's original question... yeah, I believe it's 1:1 power-wise. Can't think of any on-panel statements supporting that, though.
Yeah, the lack of a definite "I'm just as powerful as X" statement has me unsure of using it for the respect thread I'm working on.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Ms Marvel absorption
You mean how she was basically the equal of Ms Marvel once she had her powers?
I'd agree, but I'm not sure what she did to Ms Marvel is the same as say, borrowing Nightcrawler's powers for a few minutes.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
In Second Coming, she failed to transform her claws when she Colossus'd up. I say it was just a bad writing, as it should've worked just like with Exiles Mimic... but some could say it was just another sign of her limits. Either that or Colossus being normal under his armor 😛
lol, given how inconsistent they are with Colossus' biology, i'm not surprised.
Originally posted by Blockythe1guyMarvel abstracts are infinite-dimensional within the Marvel Multiverse?
and does it has infinite spatial dimensions as well?
But, according to Dr Strange there are realities outside the infinity of alternate universes,
there's another set of universes with less than 2 dimensions, and others with more than 6.
I also think the number goes up or down infinitely. (so maaaad universes)
So it varies according to the particular universe you're looking at.
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As you can see, while he doesn't clarify exactly how far up or down they go,
it seems imo that one could interpret it as infinite via the context of his explanation.
Originally posted by Mr MasterHow many of these universes and dimensions depicted over the years in Marvel would still exist in the new continuity?
616, and all alternate realities deriving from 616 (from past-future Timelines to diverged Parallel worlds) have 3 spatial dimensions.
There are many universes not necessarily "alternates of 616" which have 3 as well, but natural laws are different, like the Negative Zone.But, according to Dr Strange there are realities outside the infinity of alternate universes,
there's another set of universes with less than 2 dimensions, and others with more than 6.
I also think the number goes up or down infinitely. (so maaaad universes)So it varies according to the particular universe you're looking at.
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[img=http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/22716395_Multiverse3.jpg]As you can see, while he doesn't clarify exactly how far up or down they go,
it seems imo that one could interpret it as infinite via the context of his explanation.
Where are the Time Variance Authority these days?
Originally posted by basiliskHow many of these universes and dimensions depicted over the years in Marvel would still exist in the new continuity?
Isn't the prime multiverse a single planet now? I'm out the loop and still catching up.
Although, there is much more to the Marvel universe than a single multiverse.
Originally posted by basiliskWhere are the Time Variance Authority these days?
This is because, like most comic book writers, they're not aficionados like us, who know these obscure details/characters.
I once debated with Englehart, and found out he didn't even know who "Kosmos" (Beyonder incarnation) was.
In any case, the TVA's headquarters is a long as the Omniverse itself.
Obviously Hickman ignored/overlooked intricacies like these to ease his writing.
Originally posted by Mr Master
616, and all alternate realities deriving from 616 (from past-future Timelines to diverged Parallel worlds) have 3 spatial dimensions.
There are many universes not necessarily "alternates of 616" which have 3 as well, but natural laws are different, like the Negative Zone.But, according to Dr Strange there are realities outside the infinity of alternate universes,
there's another set of universes with less than 2 dimensions, and others with more than 6.
I also think the number goes up or down infinitely. (so maaaad universes)So it varies according to the particular universe you're looking at.
[img=http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/22716393_Multiverse1.jpg]
[img=http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/22716394_Multiverse2.jpg]
[img=http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/22716395_Multiverse3.jpg]As you can see, while he doesn't clarify exactly how far up or down they go,
it seems imo that one could interpret it as infinite via the context of his explanation.
Hm, Does that mean the marvel abstracts are beyond infinite-dimensional?
Originally posted by basiliskJust out of interest, what are some of the characters that come to mind?
Then there are others, that wouldn't enjoy multiversal planes extinguishing cause they would be affected:
The Makers-Nth Man-Hunger-Slorioth, heck even Vanguaard.
Then again, reality/all realities have been threatened and squashed before
and most of these cats were incognito so I can't blame Hickman too much.
But my point is again, like most if not all writers,
Hickman knows less than us about the full spectrum/cast of Marvel cosmology/characters.
I'm guessing, they simply don't have the time to research the material,
and if he became a Marvel writer with cosmological ignorance, then he's phucked to ever catch up.
This is why the LT was the embodiment of the multi-verse in his eyes,
and the most powerful cats he can find to fix shit now is Owen and Shaper of Worlds. lol.
Originally posted by Mr MasterSome interesting characters there (and some really obscure ones). The Infinites were one of the first that I thought about too when all that abstract wrecking went down - they seem as far above the other cosmics as anyone, and as you say they would have an interest in what was happening. TVA and Roma also came to mind. Even if the writers were familiar with Fulcrum and Kirby avatar they probably weren't willing to show them.
Well, most importantly, Roma (or whoever is the current celestial guardian)
Scathan? (all celestials were killed ... yea, whateva) Hickman didn't even know about Scathan I bet.
Masters of the Matrix, would definitely have been involved in such a total-lasting multiversal annihilation.
Alien Entity, merged with all creation, and didn't feel it slipping away?
Infinites, exist to preserve the multiverse, what happened?Then there are others, that wouldn't enjoy multiversal planes extinguishing cause they would be affected:
The Makers-Nth Man-Hunger-Slorioth, heck even Vanguaard.Then again, reality/all realities have been threatened and squashed before
and most of these cats were incognito so I can't blame Hickman too much.But my point is again, like most if not all writers,
Hickman knows less than us about the full spectrum/cast of Marvel cosmology/characters.
I'm guessing, they simply don't have the time to research the material,
and if he became a Marvel writer with cosmological ignorance, then he's phucked to ever catch up.
This is why the LT was the embodiment of the multi-verse in his eyes,
and the most powerful cats he can find to fix shit now is Owen and Shaper of Worlds. lol.
It might have been interesting to see Oblivion, Death, Mikaboshi, Mephisto, etc but I guess they all just died with the rest - although characters were still dying so I don't know what happened to Death. And did all the afterlifes and Heaven get destroyed?
I was actually quite sad to see a hack writer like Hickman come in preside over the destruction of so much continuity (including What If universes) that so many more talented people contributed to.
And I still think the Spidey newspaper strip universe survived - it was cut off from all other realities and the strip is still running as far as I know.
^^ 👆 Good point.
I also should add now that I think about it, although Scathan appeared in a GOTG book
which should establish all parties there-in as part of the 31st century,
he never actually stepped into "reality/Eternity/Infinity/universe" ...
Remember good friend, The cosmics were always situated in the Dimension of Manifestations in that arc,
which is as you know literally a dimension outside Eternity/Infinity.
Scathan just popped up in the DoM out of nowhere.
lol, I never gave that thought, I have no idea where Scathan is truly from I just realized. (Scathan the enigma)
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btw. I just went over Avengers #30 and noticed
the Starlight Citadel-Saturnyne, and the entire multiversal corps was wiped out.
(so Hickman didn't miss Roma's position as I had initially thought)
http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Hefmeister/media/Amazo.jpg.html
Anyone knows what happened after that panel? 😛
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWThis is what immediately follows that page:
http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Hefmeister/media/Amazo.jpg.htmlAnyone knows what happened after that panel?
-Legends of The Dark Knight #02 (2012)
...."Bat-Shark repellent." Lulz.
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