He wasn't equal to Yoda in a lightsaber fight, Yoda does not strike fast thats why he didn't kill Dooku. If he was equal to Yoda in lightsaber and force he wouldn't have ran away and constantly tried to get the high ground, he's a smart bastard but nothing compared to Revan in fighting ability. Or the force for that matter.
Anakin could have thrown those pods, the only impressive thing was his lightning and Yoda blocked that.
He NEVER run, and he climbed to a high ground ONCE, which not really proove anything...
Don't misunderstand me, i like Yoda a thousend times more, but the fact is that Sidious is never even close to loosing until the very end.
the light saber battle was never finished, but we still never saw Yoda getting an advantage.
Im not saying Sdious owns Yoda, i think they are equal in most abilities.
I would give Yoda a chance against Revan, and therefore also Sidious have a (small) chance
He never ran? Yoda pushed Sidious over a chair and Sidious tried to run.
Finding the high ground although smart still means to me that he knew he wasn't able to defeat Yoda fairly.. And he had all the time in the world clone troopers would come soon so he didn't have to hurry up the fight. There was no reason for him to run away at first and then seek the high ground except for the fact that he was weaker.
he makes a jump trying toescape, thats true, even though i woldnt call it run.....sorry anyway. I thought of the fight, which i personally considered started when they rose their light sabers.
anyway, (even though i hate defend sidious, but it is needed) why does people complain about an unfair fight?
i cannot see anything else than the fact that Yoda had to hurry a little bit, affecting the fight......can anyone tell me what was unfair??
Unfair depends on how you look at it.
Did Sidious cheat? No, did Sidious break rules? No, Did Sidious play smart? Yes.
So its not unfair if you look at it like that however
Did Sidious face Yoda on equal grounds? No.
Meaning that the fight had an unfair advantage to Sidious because he choose the higher ground, is there something wrong with that? No of course not but its not a good measurement of strength between the two.
well said, but remeber: Yoda jumped down, which was really stupid!!!
but still we see some fair (at least i think so.....) lightsaber combat between the two of them, and yoda didn't manage to take him down...
i agree that yoda would win a fight in a locked, empty room (which rarely happens...) but even there it would take looooong time....
Yoda only jumped down once from what I remember and that was to avoid a pod. Keep in mind he had his lightsaber activated then, a few seconds later he deactivated it and then started throwing every Sidious had back in Sidious his face. And yeah a empty room hardly ever happens, but something else would have been a lot better. Something were Sidious couldn't have thrown a thousand things at him in seconds.
afraid you don't remember exactly what happened. After seeing anakin vs obi wan, we are taken back to the yoda- sidious, just in time to see yoda jumping down from where they earlier stood. i understand that you didn't get that.
but, the fact that Yoda throw back/ jump away from what sidious throw, does only proove him equal, not better.
Originally posted by sasee tiin
afraid you don't remember exactly what happened. After seeing anakin vs obi wan, we are taken back to the yoda- sidious, just in time to see yoda jumping down from where they earlier stood. i understand that you didn't get that.
but, the fact that Yoda throw back/ jump away from what sidious throw, does only proove him equal, not better.
Sidious tried to run away after Yoda had force pushed him across the room. Yoda even cuts Sidious escape way and asks him why he wants to leave if he is so powerful. Sidious is afraid of the idea that he has to face Yoda in direct combat.
And we see that Sidious always has the advantage on his side:
- during the lightsaber combat he stands in the middle of the pod while Yoda has to jump around outside. Fair ? No...
- then he has the higher ground and throws things down while Yoda throws things up. Yoda can catch a pod that Sidious throws down on him while Sidious can't catch one that Yoda throws up at him.
In any situation he has the advantage and is not able to defeat Yoda. Logically that means Sidious + advantage = Yoda and folowing that logic Sidious without advantage < Yoda. In a fight where non of them can take any advantage because of the fighting area Yoda will kill Sidious.
He is still weaker, one other thing
"but, the fact that Yoda throw back/ jump away from what sidious throw, does only proove him equal, not better."
Imagine you throwing a 50 kilo bag or something, its not that hard to do. Now imagine getting that bag thrown at you catching it and returning it. Now thats pretty hard to do. Yoda does it.
He's not leagues above Sidious otherwise he would still have won, but he's still beter then him.
Good point, Fishy.
Yoda is obviously > Sidious. But I can't get why this is even discussed here. The topic is Revan vs Sidious and I realy won't doubt that Sidious is getting owned here.
Revan is:
- the better swordsman
- has more force powers
- can use light and dark side abilities
He could throw everything from Sidious right back in Sidious face and kill him with his forcepowers or just kick the old mans ass badly in lightsaber combat. No chance for Sidious here.
Fishy. Nai.
Yoda is widely considered to be the wisest, most revered, and most powerful Jedi Master. I can agree. He was certainly wiser and smarter than Luke could ever hope to be (and that's saying something).
But I will disagree with your thoughts on Palpatine. Palpatine, as you have implied, was SMARTER than Yoda. Yes. I think we can all agree. In a battle of wits - Palpatine would kick ANYONE's ass in the movies and would be one of the best in the EU.
Palpatine was an excellent duelist. See Jedi Masters are the equal to a Sith Lord. I don't think Yoda could kill three Dooku's or three Mauls or three Grievous's (he's not a Sith Lord, I know) in three seconds. Palpatine kills three Jedi Masters - who are considered to be three of the best duelists that the Order ever produced - in three seconds. I can agree. Yoda is better. But sure as hell not by leagues - otherwise Yoda would've owned Sidious. Which he didn't. I don't recall Palpatine dying. So...
Palpatine's mastery of the Force is EASILY equal to Yoda's. Yoda's gift at foresight is the greatest amongst his colleagues - but this pales in comparison to Palpatine's - otherwise he would've seen Palps to actually be Sidious.
Palpatine - in combat - is much more clever than Yoda. He used his environment to his advantage. Like everything, Palpatine controlled the majority of the fight. I put emphasis on majority. Palps didn't come out of this unscathed - and he didn't dominate the entire fight. Palpatine orchestrated the fight to where he believed he'd have the advantage. He gained the higher ground - and threw the pods. He kept distance from himself and Yoda. If one has the advantage, one should take it.
You all need to read the book "Art of War". It would educate you. The Sith aren't honorable. Palpatine didn't break a single rule.
Revan and Palpatine are actually quite alike - as well. Both tend to fight like the Art of War suggests. They are true fighters. Honor is a myth. In the real world - if a soldier is having a fight to the death with another soldier of an opposing nation - he will do anything to win. Cheating does not exist in war. If you all would manage to look over this pointless argument that Palpatine is clearly weak, you'd all see.
On the otherhand. Revan had tendancies to go to the extreme. He was certainly a powerful warlord. I'd rather have Revan lead a war than Palpatine. BUT. If I wanted to take control of the galaxy - like Revan wanted to - I'd adapt Palpatine's methods - which were obviously superior to Revan's.
In a war: Revan. In the overall grand scheme: Palpatine.
In a fight, we don't know who would win. You're basing things off of of video game fight scenes and cut scenes. During Star Wars video games - if you get hit by an opponents lightsabre - you don't lose a limb or die like in the movies. So. As you can see, to compare video games to the movies are stupid.
If Revan were in a Star Wars movie - I guarentee you that he wouldn't have the power to withstand bombardments from a lightsabre - like he does in the video games. Think about that. 🙂
Have you ever heard the tail of Darth Plagueis the Wise. A Sith so strong in the darkside he was able to cheat death and keep people from dieing. Darth Plagueis taught his student everything he knew but then he was killed by his student in his sleep. Do you know who was Plagueis's student? Darth Sidious. Sidious would have defeated Revan using the supreme knowledge and power from his master's teachings.
General, I like Palpatine better than Revan. But both have their skills. Namely, Revan was overall a better military tactition than Palpatine. He was feared - like Palpatine - and conquered in a time when the Republic warred. However. He - like Palpatine in the end - failed.
Palpatine was a master manipulator - far greater than Revan. The times changed. Peace was restored. The Republic's military was weak because they controlled the galaxy. It was a time of peace. In truth - Palpatine actually orchestrated everything - and led the galaxy back to a time that Revan fought. Revan fought in a war-torn galaxy. So did Palpatine. But in a different way.
They're both powerful. Revan was probably more powerful - but Palpatine's methods and accomplishments were probably greater than Revan's.