Originally posted by baracustastic
How is banning smoking Liberal?the liberal thing to do is the exact opposite.
Originally posted by KidRock
Drinking and driving is a personal choice..so is doing heroin or crack..should those be allowed to?
Drinking and Driving is completely different from smoking. If you drink before driving there are factual consequences, lowered reaction time and such, the risk of getting into an accident increases, but this is obvious.
Crack and Heroin are also different from cigarettes because, like alchohal, they alter your perception of the world and can cuase people to hellucinate and become overly aggressive and what not. Also crack and heroin have other types of possible economic problems that could arise if made legal.
The risks of second hand smoking, on the other hand, have recently become more and more questionable and more and more people discover the blatantly biased and exagerated source of much of the "Second hand smoke kills" stuff. There have been numerous studies that show that there is no statistically significant risk from second hand smoke, outside of children and pregnant mothers.
I think its just bullshit, either ban smoking completely or stop complaining about it. Let bars restaurants and what not decide for themselves. Banning smoking in schools and hospitals and government buildings is fine with me, I can understand that. But in other places the owners should be able to decide.
There is a company here that made the news by giving his employees one year to quit smoking or get fired. All quit except for 2 women..They're taking him to court...I don't think they'll win though. Most were glad to quit.
Though you could argue that the owner knew when he hired them that they smoked. Maybe it should be an up front policy.
Originally posted by debbiejo
There is a company here that made the news by giving his employees one year to quit smoking or get fired. All quit except for 2 women..They're taking him to court...I don't think they'll win though. Most were glad to quit.Though you could argue that the owner knew when he hired them that they smoked. Maybe it should be an up front policy.
How the hell can you fire people for smoking? Thats like firing people for eating meat, or drinking water or being black... Absolute bullshit it has nothing to do with the company
There is an increase in walk-outs at restaurants since this has happened in NYC and Atlanta.
For example, after someone finishes their meal and would like to go outside and smoke before paying their bill. Then, they just split.
Now one way to combat this is to take a credit card from them as collateral, but what if they don't have one? You can't refuse service (or should I say 'shouldn't' because of that) for that reason.
Re: Smoking Ban in Ontario
I think it's a little over the top, but I am not outraged at all. I am concerned as to what other things McGuinty might ban or crazy ass laws that he might pass, but this one does not bother me.
Originally posted by DCLXVI
What about my mother, who is a dedicated nurse and has been for nearly twenty years, and wants to smoke cigarettes on her break instead of listening to bitching nurses in the staff room?
If your mother has been a nurse for nearly 20 years working with cancer and emphazema patients and still smokes, then she is stupid. I'm sorry to sound harsh, but that's the way I feel. And as for her breaks, she doesn't have to listen to other nurses, if she only smokes to avoid her co-workers then not only is she stupid, but antisocial too.
Originally posted by BackFire
Smoking is a personal choice that some make, if they wish to, it's their decision.
Smoking is a personal choice, however it does directly affect people around you who don't smoke. The other problem is that smokers smoke for years, and then end up disproportionately using our healthcare system and putting a strain on it because of their choices.
Should it be banned altogether? Probably not. But if you choose to smoke knowing the effects, then perhaps you shouldn't be entitled to the same health care advantages as nonsmokers. Just a thought.
Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove
I agree with you, though tell that to a smoker working a 9 to 6 job and they'll probably say that when the craving starts it's extremely tough to wait it out till they can get to their car or home.
And how is that my, or anyone elses' problem? They chose to take up the habit, let them deal with it.
Originally posted by DCLXVI
True, but I like in the United States where everything is ass-backwards. Our toilets go counter clockwise, our roads are to the right-side of the road, and our liberals are fascist punks that take away all our freedoms and rights for our "own good"..
Nice way to avoid the "how is that liberal question". The Patrriot Act was not enacted by a liberal thinking gov't. Please give examples of all of your rights and freedoms that liberals have taken away.
Originally posted by debbiejo
There is a company here that made the news by giving his employees one year to quit smoking or get fired. All quit except for 2 women..They're taking him to court...I don't think they'll win though. Most were glad to quit.Though you could argue that the owner knew when he hired them that they smoked. Maybe it should be an up front policy.
This story was on 20/20 or one of those shows a couple months ago.
The owner decided it would be better to look out for everyones health. He encouraged them to join his health programs and this will all lower the companies costs for the employees taking off sick days. He said that the smokers took off more days then the non smokers. Insurance costs would go down too....But when he implimented this he already knew that these people smoked...The 2 women had been with the company many years...
Re: Re: Smoking Ban in Ontario
Originally posted by KharmaDog
I think it's a little over the top, but I am not outraged at all. I am concerned as to what other things McGuinty might ban or crazy ass laws that he might pass, but this one does not bother me.If your mother has been a nurse for nearly 20 years working with cancer and emphazema patients and still smokes, then she is stupid. I'm sorry to sound harsh, but that's the way I feel. And as for her breaks, she doesn't have to listen to other nurses, if she only smokes to avoid her co-workers then not only is she stupid, but antisocial too.
Smoking is a personal choice, however it does directly affect people around you who don't smoke. The other problem is that smokers smoke for years, and then end up disproportionately using our healthcare system and putting a strain on it because of their choices.
Should it be banned altogether? Probably not. But if you choose to smoke knowing the effects, then perhaps you shouldn't be entitled to the same health care advantages as nonsmokers. Just a thought.
And how is that my, or anyone elses' problem? They chose to take up the habit, let them deal with it.
Nice way to avoid the "how is that liberal question". The Patrriot Act was not enacted by a liberal thinking gov't. Please give examples of all of your rights and freedoms that liberals have taken away.
If you feel like that then ban smoking and be done with it. Much easier then doing all that crap that people are doing. They say they want people to stop and limit the places were people can smoke but instead of just banning it they continue to walk around the issue.
Ban it completely or don't ban it. But forcing bars or restaurants to ban smoking is just idiotic. It should be their own choice not that of the government
Originally posted by KharmaDog
I see what you are saying fishy, I think that the Ont. Gov't wants to get rid of it, but doesn't want to tell people what they can do in their own homes. So I see their point too.
I can understand where they are coming from, I think its just bullshit however. Tons of other things are banned for a good reason, so if they really think its so bad that it shouldn't be done they should just ban it. If they refuse to ban it they should let the owners decide.
I can see where they are coming from I just think its a bulshit thing to do.
Originally posted by finti
we`ve had a smoking ban here in Norway for a year now, i think it should be up to the owner of the establishment whether it should be a smoker/non smoker place. I dont smoke myself and if I visit a "smoking pub/bar" it would be my own choice to risk the effects of it.
That's absolutely correct, I agree 100%
Alright it seems my first post here was questionable.
My big problem is, if they're going to make a smoker's life in Canada hell, then they might as well stop selling, and ban smoking in the country. But instead, the government plays both sides of the spectrum, trying to coax non-smokers into voting for them, while still selling cigarettes in local stores.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
By the American definition of liberal, legislation that bans smoking is indeed a liberal phenomenon. Sorry, but it is. The right wing wouldn't do it.
I know Ush. I asked the question knowing the ridiculous nature of the answer.
Ah......the crazy, screwed-up nature of the U.S.
In the land that covets liberty it's the liberals that that reduce personal liberties.
Makes perfect sense.
What total, complete fool decided to re-polarise the meaning of perhaps the most important word in the U.S.A's history?
Why do the people accept it?
Nonsensical.