Smoking Ban in Ontario

this is a big issue in the UK at the moment as there is a smoking ban on the horizon... research shows and police investigations have uncovered plans by organized crime gangs to set up illegal bars selling bootleg alcohol and cigarettes and allowing anyone who wants to indulge do so...

so its going to basically make the same criminals who kill to make more money...

given that current technology can make pub and club atmospheres relatively smoke free anyway then it just smacks or more nannying behaviour by the state

Well people taking less vices usually equals a nicer society. Meaning what would happen if 80% society smoked and drinked???

My big problem is, if they're going to make a smoker's life in Canada hell, then they might as well stop selling, and ban smoking in the country. But instead, the government plays both sides of the spectrum, trying to coax non-smokers into voting for them, while still selling cigarettes in local stores.

Yes some of them were the ones that were not smart enough to resist peer pressure. Serious, just say no if you don't want to smoke and if they says you have to, there are not even close to being your friend. 😠
Banning it would be nuts because i even think the craziest liberal would know thats impossible and you would increase crime in Toronto by a 100% by all the smuggling. Think for a minute, people!!.

Originally posted by manny321
Well people taking less vices usually equals a nicer society. Meaning what would happen if 80% society smoked and drinked???

Yes some of them were the ones that were not smart enough to resist peer pressure. Serious, just say no if you don't want to smoke and if they says you have to, there are not even close to being your friend. 😠
Banning it would be nuts because i even think the craziest liberal would know thats impossible and you would increase crime in Toronto by a 100% by all the smuggling. Think for a minute, people!!.

But what they are doing is convoluted and idiotic, not to mention hypocritical.

I think DoSO the premier has a personal connection to this. Meaning somone in his fmaily died of it.

I think heavy taxes would lead to smuggling. No control will lead to many smoking and a worse society and massive health care costs. Banning it leads to crime waves. So a middle solution had to be made.

You can't say it's special because the Premier had a personal connection to it. I'm quite sure, EVERYBODY has. Cancer is one of the leading causes of death nowadays, and not only in smoke-related form....

Originally posted by BackFire
I don't smoke, never have, never will.

Now, with that said, I think this is absolute bullshit. Smoking is a personal choice that some make, if they wish to, it's their decision. It should also be left up to the owners of the specific establishments if they wish to disallow moking in their restaurant/bar.

What utter nonsense. This anti smoking crap has got to go.

exactly... luckily in many places in europe you can still smoke

well, I smoke. One of the interesting things about the smoking bans is that they rarely take into consideration how many people do smoke. I go out to the clubs and when you get there you say to yourself, "there really aren't that many people here. Then you go outside for a cigarette and the balcony is packed with people smoking.

But, I respect other people not wanting to breathe it. I have no issue with going outside. I don't even smoke in my own house.

^^ Very True, Cap'n.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
well, I smoke. One of the interesting things about the smoking bans is that they rarely take into consideration how many people do smoke. I go out to the clubs and when you get there you say to yourself, "there really aren't that many people here. Then you go outside for a cigarette and the balcony is packed with people smoking.

But, I respect other people not wanting to breathe it. I have no issue with going outside. I don't even smoke in my own house.

well yeah, but I don't think smoking should be ILLEGAL in public places, I think the owner of the place should be able to decide whether he wants poeple smoking in his club or not.

'Every cigarette you smoke takes 10 seconds off your life', health experts say. To combat this, at the end of every day work out how many seconds you have 'lost', and simply go to bed that much later, or wake up that much earlier the next morning. Hey presto! your lost time is returned.

yes i will sleep 2 min latter and wake up 2 min earlier. So your going to live your whole life like that? 😄

Anyways these bans are somewhat working in Canada. I just heard off the news that Canada has the least smokers (by ratio-wise of course) in the developed world. I think the purpose of the bans would reduce the amount of smokers somewhat or reduce the amount they smoke.

Ya know...if everyone did quite smoking medical insurance costs should go down..

I agree, all smoking in public places should be banned, im glad i live in ontario...

Originally posted by amity75
'Every cigarette you smoke takes 10 seconds off your life', health experts say. To combat this, at the end of every day work out how many seconds you have 'lost', and simply go to bed that much later, or wake up that much earlier the next morning. Hey presto! your lost time is returned.

oh god! not ten seconds! 😛
anyways Id rather die young... well not YOUNG but like... 55 or 60

Originally posted by IceWithin
anyways Id rather die young... well not YOUNG but like... 55 or 60

I doubt that you'll feel the same way when you are 55-60. That's not that old.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Ya know...if everyone did quite smoking medical insurance costs should go down..

Yes. BTW, who's cigarette is burning in this picture?

I feel compassion for people who are addicted to smoking (or anything else for that matter), but we are each ultimately responsible for our own person. Compassion is one thing. Indulgence is another.

I STRONGLY support a smoke free society for completely selfish reasons: I don't want to be subjected to 2nd hand smoke. "Financial hardship" is NOT an adequate reason to subject employees and non-smokers to 2nd hand smoke. I do NOT appreciate establishments making money at the expense of my health. It is unfair in the EXTREME that 20 non-smokers in a restaurant, bar or office have to be forced to become smokers because ONE person can't shake an addiction.

Originally posted by amity75
'Every cigarette you smoke takes 10 seconds off your life', health experts say. To combat this, at the end of every day work out how many seconds you have 'lost', and simply go to bed that much later, or wake up that much earlier the next morning. Hey presto! your lost time is returned.

Yeah, you know what? I don't care if it takes 10 MINUTES off YOUR life. Just keep that butt away from me, man.

alot of ppl smoke in Toronto

True but i noticed its much less public these days. Heck i am serious but all of these strict laws are resulting into downward trend in smoking in Canada. A while back on Global TV they said Canada had the lowest rates of smokers in the developed world. So i think they are having an impact.