Goku vs Clark Kent

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
think about this logically
point...lol (20,000 is roughly what is needed to destroy a normal sized planet)

if it had goku would have killed him with one punch, seeing as goku's powerlevel at that time was in the 5-10 million range.

to say that frieza did not have the power to destroy a planet is pure nonsense, frieza in his first form has WAYYY more power then what is needed to do so.

So how exactly do you know how much power is needed to destroy a planet? Planets can have different sizes, mass and make-up. By planet, I assume that we're talking about something similar to Earth.

Also, destroying a planet can have different levels. As far as I could tell, frieza resorts to destroying planets by smashing through the ground until his blast reaches the core where the planet destabilizes. That being said, how much power is required to drill through the ground until they get to the core?

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
think about this logically

frieza tries to destroy planet namek using roughly 50-60% of his full powerlevel.

he then does not destroy it.

then he decides that its time he use his full powerlevel in order to not get killed before namek does explode. goku lets frieza reach his maximum so that "there is no doubt who the stronger of us is when this fight is over"

now if frieza still had that much power in reserve that he was not using, how is it possible he could not destroy the planet had he felt like it.

also i seriously doubt that his power had dropped below 18,000 at that point...lol (20,000 is roughly what is needed to destroy a normal sized planet)

if it had goku would have killed him with one punch, seeing as goku's powerlevel at that time was in the 5-10 million range.

to say that frieza did not have the power to destroy a planet is pure nonsense, frieza in his first form has WAYYY more power then what is needed to do so. frieza is about 48x more powerful in his final form then his first form.

you do the math

Like I said,I'll read the Manga again to see what was said and done.

I just wanted to clear up some of the crazy nonsense that was being spouted off on these boards.

First of all, Goku's Shunkan-Ido (aka Instant Transmission) is infinitely faster than the speed of light...thus it is "Instant". If it was merely the speed of light, how could he have scoped out Brolli's damage in another galaxy in any meaningful span of time? Everyone he knew would have been dead and buried for hundreds of thousands of years if it were so slow! Obviously, this claim is pure bunk. It's also worth noting that this technique also can instantly transmit Goku across dimensions, as he frequently uses it to travel between this plane of existance, and the "next world" throughout the series.

Also, as far as Freiza's (and other characters'😉 ability to destroy worlds, this nonsense about "only Frieza at full power could do it" is just that...nonsense. In the first few episodes of DBZ, Piccolo destroys the moon (1/5 as massive as Earth) with a single attack, and without even showing signs of being tired. This is Piccolo's weakest form in DBZ. The moon is completely destroyed (nothing can be seen of it from then out), and I must also add that the moon does not have an active core, which seems to be the claim in these boards; that planetary destruction in DBZ can only be brought about by destabilizing a celestial body's core.

Also, we witnessed Freiza's destruction of the planet Vegita. It was, presumably Earth-like in appearance...though appearances may be deceiving. It's very likely that this planet was far more massive than Earth, as the residents were exponentially stronger and tougher than Earthlings. In any case, Freiza destroyed it while in his "weakest" form, using only one finger. The ensuing destruction took seconds, and was extremely energetic, meaning that it was not a mere "core collapse", but rather the only significant source of energy for the explosion was Freiza's own. As you can see, the claim that Freiza could only destroy planets at max power and only by destabilizing the core is demonstrably false.

Another false argument going on seems to be that Goku's source of invulnerability is his "Ki", or some sort of shield produced by that. Although this is the current incarnation of Superman's form of invulnerability, this is not the case with Saiyans.

During Dragonball Movie #14, Goku is shot by Bulma in the head. Now, while Goku is already a formidable martial artist, and fighter, he has not yet met Master Roshi. He has not learned to develop his "ki" in any significant way. He has not yet mastered the kame hame ha. However, the bullet ricochets off his head, and apparently the bullet only stings the child Saiyan. Goku certainly doesn't have the ability to produce a field yet, as he has no experience with ki-type attacks. Moreover, if it were a force field, why would the bullet sting? It would only bounce off the field, and have imparted none of its energy to the Goku's head.

Also, we can tell that Goku's invulnerability is not solely due to a force field by comparing it to Superman's invulnerability. In the comics, Superman's current incarnation has his clothes made out of normal materials, not some Kryptonian fabric as was the case PreC. His threads stay together because of a force field that extends a very short distance from his body. So, when hit by a particularly brutal attack, Superman's cape often disintegrates, but the suit, only a fraction of an inch from his skin, remains intact. Conversely, how often do we see Goku's shirt getting blown off of him? Every third episode? And yet, Goku seems to survive these attacks that penetrate this force field. Clearly, Goku himself is fairly invulnerable, and this is not solely due to a "force field".

However, it is true that characters in Dragonball do produce some kind of field. This is seen in countless episodes, as debris, smoke, and energy attacks are seen to come in contact with these fields. However, this is merely a supplimental form of protection, and the Saiyans (and most of the characters in the DBZ universe) are also physically tough...very tough.

Originally posted by Melnorme
I just wanted to clear up some of the crazy nonsense that was being spouted off on these boards.

First of all, Goku's Shunkan-Ido (aka Instant Transmission) is infinitely faster than the speed of light...thus it is "Instant". If it was merely the speed of light, how could he have scoped out Brolli's damage in another galaxy in any meaningful span of time? Everyone he knew would have been dead and buried for hundreds of thousands of years if it were so slow! Obviously, this claim is pure bunk. It's also worth noting that this technique also can instantly transmit Goku across dimensions, as he frequently uses it to travel between this plane of existance, and the "next world" throughout the series.

Also, as far as Freiza's (and other characters'😉 ability to destroy worlds, this nonsense about "only Frieza at full power could do it" is just that...nonsense. In the first few episodes of DBZ, Piccolo destroys the moon (1/5 as massive as Earth) with a single attack, and without even showing signs of being tired. This is Piccolo's weakest form in DBZ. The moon is completely destroyed (nothing can be seen of it from then out), and I must also add that the moon does not have an active core, which seems to be the claim in these boards; that planetary destruction in DBZ can only be brought about by destabilizing a celestial body's core.

Also, we witnessed Freiza's destruction of the planet Vegita. It was, presumably Earth-like in appearance...though appearances may be deceiving. It's very likely that this planet was far more massive than Earth, as the residents were exponentially stronger and tougher than Earthlings. In any case, Freiza destroyed it while in his "weakest" form, using only one finger. The ensuing destruction took seconds, and was extremely energetic, meaning that it was not a mere "core collapse", but rather the only significant source of energy for the explosion was Freiza's own. As you can see, the claim that Freiza could only destroy planets at max power and only by destabilizing the core is demonstrably false.

that whole thing about frieza is EXACTLY what i've been saying, but people seem to think its not true.

Frieza could EASILY destroy Namek, saying anything else is utter nonsense.

as for everything else, its all right and its what i've been saying for what seems like months now.

Anyone from DBZ could beat Clark

But not Superman.It's common knowledge,next I'll be hearing that the Spectre will be brought to his knees by Broly,yeah right. 😉

Broly is weak

and its common knowledge that SUPERMAN PRIME and PRE-CRISIS SUPES could beat DBZ character's

but Superman now could not

and since Prime was a brief part of superman, i dont even consider it that special.

and since pre-crisis supes dosent even exist anymore. then techinically Goku can beat Superman, cause he would pWn current Superman.

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
Anyone from DBZ could beat Clark

Sure about that? I don't think Krillin could beat young Clark. Neither could Yamcha or Tien.

I definitely think Goku is stronger than Vegeta, and as much as i think Vegeta rulz and I'll even go as far as saying that Clark may even take this fight to but thats a big "may".

are you kidding?

both krillin and yamcha have the ability to destroy the earth if they felt like it.

Vegeta would kick the crap outta superman and especially clark (smallville) even more so in GT when vegeta can go super saiyan 4.

all the saiyans at base form could kill superman (current) pretty much any of the main CBZ characters could kill superman....

goku, vegeta, gohan, goten, trunks (espically fused), piccolo, krillin, tien, yamcha...

pretty much anyone from the namek saga on who fights could kick supermans (post-crisis) ass.

people here are severely underestimating how powerful DBZ characters really are.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
are you kidding?

both krillin and yamcha have the ability to destroy the earth if they felt like it.

Vegeta would kick the crap outta superman and especially clark (smallville) even more so in GT when vegeta can go super saiyan 4.

all the saiyans at base form could kill superman (current) pretty much any of the main CBZ characters could kill superman....

goku, vegeta, gohan, goten, trunks (espically fused), piccolo, krillin, tien, yamcha...

pretty much anyone from the namek saga on who fights could kick supermans (post-crisis) ass.

people here are severely underestimating how powerful DBZ characters really are.

lmao, dude.

Superman would pulverize DBZ characters with the exception of Goku, I'd have to see that fight, and since you wanna increase powers, ill bring in Superman Prime.

Nuff said.

how, how can he "pulverize" them? tell me?

and if you read it i said CURRENT SUPERMAN, for F*ucks sake people, CURRENT, not pre-crisis, not prime, CURRENT...

I've already said more then prolly 5 times now that Prime and pre-crisis supes would beat goku.

but current superman isnt a match for ANY of the main DBZ characters, not even remotely close.

Superman cant destroy planets with one finger

Nuff said.....

However, Superman has a history of having his power increased over time. Even since the beginning of post-crisis, he's gotten more powerful. How strong he'll end up is anyone's guess....

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
how, how can he "pulverize" them? tell me?

and if you read it i said CURRENT SUPERMAN, for F*ucks sake people, CURRENT, not pre-crisis, not prime, CURRENT...

I've already said more then prolly 5 times now that Prime and pre-crisis supes would beat goku.

but current superman isnt a match for ANY of the main DBZ characters, not even remotely close.

Superman cant destroy planets with one finger

Nuff said.....

lol Soo....what your saying is, is "Let's increase Goku's Saiyin level and pit him against current Superman." c'mon. And you did talk about Superman battling against Super Saiyins.

You'll increase a Saiyin's level but not Supermans? Thats fake. 😠

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Broly is weak

and its common knowledge that SUPERMAN PRIME and PRE-CRISIS SUPES could beat DBZ character's

but Superman now could not

and since Prime was a brief part of superman, i dont even consider it that special.

and since pre-crisis supes dosent even exist anymore. then techinically Goku can beat Superman, cause he would pWn current Superman.

"Common knowledge" is another way of saying "argumentum ad populum", which is obviously a logical fallacy.

It's possible that PC Superman could beat him, but not knowing what Superman Prime's feats are, I remain somewhat dubious of this claim. In any case, if you wish to bring in the non-canon souped-up Supes Prime, might I suggest squaring him against his DBZ equivalent, Goku post DBGT, wherein he had absorbed the power of the dragonballs, and thus could effectively alter reality, as would a god? Let's see Prime beat that. 😆

Originally posted by Melnorme
"Common knowledge" is another way of saying "argumentum ad populum", which is obviously a logical fallacy.

It's possible that PC Superman could beat him, but not knowing what Superman Prime's feats are, I remain somewhat dubious of this claim. In any case, if you wish to bring in the non-canon souped-up Supes Prime, might I suggest squaring him against his DBZ equivalent, Goku post DBGT, wherein he had absorbed the power of the dragonballs, and thus could effectively alter reality, as would a god? Let's see Prime beat that. 😆

See that's the thing, Prime is a God.

And I'm not joking.

Young Kent loses no doubt but Prime would vaporize Goku's highest Saiyin level really fast. And if you wanna throw in projectiles then the "Sword of Heaven" comes in. Prime is just on a much higher algebra than are any DBZ characters much as i like 'em.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
lol Soo....what your saying is, is "Let's increase Goku's Saiyin level and pit him against current Superman." c'mon. And you did talk about Superman battling against Super Saiyins.

You'll increase a Saiyin's level but not Supermans? Thats fake. 😠

I didnt say anything about increasing goku's power? 🤨

Originally posted by Melnorme
"Common knowledge" is another way of saying "argumentum ad populum", which is obviously a logical fallacy.

It's possible that PC Superman could beat him, but not knowing what Superman Prime's feats are, I remain somewhat dubious of this claim. In any case, if you wish to bring in the non-canon souped-up Supes Prime, might I suggest squaring him against his DBZ equivalent, Goku post DBGT, wherein he had absorbed the power of the dragonballs, and thus could effectively alter reality, as would a god? Let's see Prime beat that. 😆

lol, a logical fallacy eh? do you even know what an actual logical fallacy is?

anyways, its pretty obvious that superman prime would beat goku, he can basically do anything.

however you are right, i was thinking about post GT goku after absorbing the dragonballs a while go, but refrained from using it as an argument because were not really sure what him absorbing the dragonaballs actually meant....

i'd assume your right, that he could grant wishes and alter reality, and i'd assume he is technically immortal now, cause the dragonballs are immortal (save for if dende dies, and when he does die of old age what happens to goku?)

so that would be interesting, superman prime is god-like, but goku w/ dragonballs could just make him vanish into nothingness. assuming it would have been within shenrons power to do so, but then we'd assume that he'd have a lot more then shenrons previous power seeing as goku is pretty much the most powerful person in the universe, dead or alive so...

there are lots of factors, but post-DB absorbtion-Goku might just be able to beat superman prime. its possible but hard to speculate since we dont really know what that goku could do.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
even more so in GT when vegeta can go super saiyan 4.

trunks (espically fused),could kick supermans (post-crisis) ass.

people here are severely underestimating how powerful DBZ characters really are.

Really? This is what you wrote.

If I didn't quickly scroll through this babble I'd have fell to sleep on the first post.

Superman is much more than some silly over the top manga animation-esque thing. No comparison!

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