It's stated over and over that the new God's were not effected by the Crisis. They aren't from the same dimention as Superman and WW and the like.
Darksied has only been powered down by bad writers, The Crisis didn't effect him either. He -should- be the same. But, yeah.
And yeah, Orion should wipe the floor with Superman, and he has already with Darkseid.
Originally posted by manjaro
orion talking about what happens when he gets angry he's taking about the A-force of course but i cant get that pic to resize.... chalk it up to the cheap ass fake photoshop i downloaded off the net.anyway it says: something in side me snaps and the world goes crimson
2nd caption: i can feel blind rage taking control of me but there is nothing i can do to ward it off.
basically the A-froce is tantamount to the adrenaline surges that hulk gets. im not gonna assume that just like hulk he doesnt have a limit, but for a guy whose strentgh is expoential in the first place i really dont think that matters
So you're saying th Astro-Force that runs through his body, pumps his strength up when he gets angry?
Not limitless, but it does amp him up further and further?
Originally posted by long pig
It's stated over and over that the new God's were not effected by the Crisis. They aren't from the same dimention as Superman and WW and the like.Darksied has only been powered down by bad writers, The Crisis didn't effect him either. He -should- be the same. But, yeah.
And yeah, Orion should wipe the floor with Superman, and he has already with Darkseid.
What? They're on Apokolips, in DC Earth dimension. Darkseid was affected by the crisis. Why not Orion?
Originally posted by manjaro
ok lets step away from strentgh for a minute lets talk durability how bout him and darkie battling in a fire pit on Apkolips... and this was when he was a mere shadow of himself when he was resurrected and he didnt fully regain his powers
Heat's not a problem for Hulk, either. Hulk's durability is insanely high, and it increases.
My point is, If Orion doesn't use his head, and tries to brawl with Hulk, he loses. I could think of scenario's where Orion wins, but his anger won't help him in this fight.
on a side note the new gods were affected by the crisis thats why darkside stepped and helped out. what he did was he created a portal thru Alex Luthor's eyes to see what was going on then he blasted a special type of energy thru them that he hoped would stop the anti monior but it only worked briefly. he basically got scared like everybody else and just like every megalomaniac he felt that the universe was his to destroy, but then again this all took place b4 it was established that apokolips and new gensis existed in different dimensions. back then as far as dc was concerned they all existed on the same plane
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
What? They're on Apokolips, in DC Earth dimension. Darkseid was affected by the crisis. Why not Orion?
Orion isn't on apokolips right now I don't think. Anyways, in his own series it says the crisis didn't effect any of the new gods, even Darkseid.
DS just has been written badly, that's the only thing different.
Originally posted by manjaro
on a side note the new gods were affected by the crisis thats why darkside stepped and helped out. what he did was he created a portal thru Alex Luthor's eyes to see what was going on then he blasted a special type of energy thru them that he hoped would stop the anti monior but it only worked briefly. he basically got scared like everybody else and just like every megalomaniac he felt that the universe was his to destroy, but then again this all took place b4 it was established that apokolips and new gensis existed in different dimensions. back then as far as dc was concerned they all existed on the same plane
Originally posted by long pig
Orion isn't on apokolips right now I don't think. Anyways, in his own series it says the crisis didn't effect any of the new gods, even Darkseid.
DS just has been written badly, that's the only thing different.
Well, at any rate, pre-crisis doesn't necessary mean stronger. It just means more inconsistent. Toyman was a threat to pre-crisis Superman's life. If you're counting crossovers, (which I don't,) Hulk stalemated pre-crisis Superman, twice. The title 'pre-crisis' is a bit overrated.
Regardless, Hulk can match and exceed anyone's strength. Vast strength is a good thing to have when fighting Hulk, but it isn't an advantage.
Originally posted by manjaro
on a side note the new gods were affected by the crisis thats why darkside stepped and helped out. what he did was he created a portal thru Alex Luthor's eyes to see what was going on then he blasted a special type of energy thru them that he hoped would stop the anti monior but it only worked briefly. he basically got scared like everybody else and just like every megalomaniac he felt that the universe was his to destroy, but then again this all took place b4 it was established that apokolips and new gensis existed in different dimensions. back then as far as dc was concerned they all existed on the same plane
Forgot Orion's from New Genesis. 😖macks head:
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Heat's not a problem for Hulk, either. Hulk's durability is insanely high, and it increases.My point is, If Orion doesn't use his head, and tries to brawl with Hulk, he loses. I could think of scenario's where Orion wins, but his anger won't help him in this fight.
ok i see your point.. but lets say he doesnt go to it fist to fist. here he is destroying an entire armada with his astro force.....effortlessly i might add. how can the hulk stand up to that. we're talking atom splittin power here
Very true, I was just making it clear Hulk isn't going to simply pummel him with his strength from the start.
With their durability and healing nearly equal(Orion's left side of his body's flesh was stripped away when hit with a boomtube, leaving only a skeleton and it grew back in a few panels), both fighters strength being immensly high and capable of increasing and Orion having all the skill that he does, this isn't an easy win for the Hulk in h2h.
Originally posted by manjaro
ok i see your point.. but lets say he doesnt go to it fist to fist. here he is destroying an entire armada with his astro force.....effortlessly i might add. how can the hulk stand up to that. we're talking atom splittin power here
Thing is, Nebulon and Vector do this kind of stuff all the time. Vector has wiped away planets with the very attack he used against Hulk. He tries to blow Hulk away, and he fails every time. Same thing with Nebulon. Nebulon devestates entire worlds with his power, but it's nothing that the Hulk can't shrug off. Hulk is just that durable.
Originally posted by long pig
Very true, I was just making it clear Hulk isn't going to simply pummel him with his strength from the start.With their durability and healing nearly equal(Orion's left side of his body's flesh was stripped away when hit with a boomtube, leaving only a skeleton and it grew back in a few panels), both fighters strength being immensly high and capable of increasing and Orion having all the skill that he does, this isn't an easy win for the Hulk in h2h.
Never said Hulk would win easy h2h. I said that if Orion's rage is unchecked, and he starts a brawl or a slugfest, he's not going to win. Hulk will keep getting stronger and more durable. Orion won't win this with just brawn.
well ive run out of worthy scans that shows orion being awesome all i have left his him blowing a hole in the moon and destroying it before he was stopped. if nothing ive posted proves that he can match hulk blow for blow, and Martial arts him to the ground or blast him into the ether all together with his indomitable A-force i cant think of anything i could possibly say to convince anyone that he can best him.....without the mother box
Originally posted by manjaro
well ive run out of worthy scans that shows orion being awesome all i have left his him blowing a hole in the moon and destroying it before he was stopped. if nothing ive posted proves that he can match hulk blow for blow, and Martial arts him to the ground or blast him into the ether all together with his indomitable A-force i cant think of anything i could possibly say to convince anyone that he can best him.....without the mother box
You've proved a lot to me. Orion could go h2h with the Hulk, but I still think Orion would have to use skill and smarts to beat Hulk, rather than just brawn. He would need to be moderately calm. That's why I suggest the Mother Box.