Originally posted by long pig
Ehhhh, all brawns doesn't automatically go to Hulk either. Their durability and healing are nearly equal, Orion is stronger at the beginning, and his skill level is off the charts, so is his fight speed.It'd be stupid to fight Hulk in h2h, but Thor has done it, and did well, so would Orion.
Orion isn't necessarily stronger at the beginning. Savage Hulk doesn't have a clear "base strength" established, and his strength makes exponential jumps like nothing. Hulk's fighting speed is just as fast as Orion's.
Thor has got beaten near death by Hulk, fighting hand to hand. Same thing happened to Abomination. Orion will follow suit.
Thor doesn't have Orion's healing.
Abomination doesn't have Orion's skill.
That's why they lost.
Even though Thor has stalemated Hulk in h2h before, it's pertty clear he'd lose if he didn't end it quickly.
But the difference is, Thor never actually tried to kill Hulk, Orion would try nothing but killing him.
Originally posted by long pig
Thor doesn't have Orion's healing.
Abomination doesn't have Orion's skill.That's why they lost.
Even though Thor has stalemated Hulk in h2h before, it's pertty clear he'd lose if he didn't end it quickly.But the difference is, Thor never actually tried to kill Hulk, Orion would try nothing but killing him.
Killing Hulk isn't an option for Thor, or Orion. Skill isn't much when your opponent can become infinitely stronger and more durable than you. Orion's rage would get his head handed to him.
Who's to say he couldn't take him out with a blaze surgically placed strikes with his martial arts before Hulk can get angry enough to equal Orion's strength/speed/durability?
Skill and intelligence are the first and second most important thing in a fight, Orion has those in spades.
I'm just saying it's not as cut and dry as you're making it seem, Hulk isn't unbeatable in a h2h fight. Hulk can win, and he can definatly lose as well.
Originally posted by long pig
Who's to say he couldn't take him out with a blaze surgically placed strikes with his martial arts before Hulk can get angry enough to equal Orion's strength/speed/durability?Skill and intelligence are the first and second most important thing in a fight, Orion has those in spades.
I'm just saying it's not as cut and dry as you're making it seem, Hulk isn't unbeatable in a h2h fight. Hulk can win, and he can definatly lose as well.
Pressure points don't work on Hulk. He doesn't really feel pain. Hulk can lose this fight, but without the Mother Box, it isn't likely. If Orion can manage to strategically take Hulk out before he gets too angry, he can win. But without the Mother Box, it's much more likely that Orion will be in a blind rage. He would attack Hulk in senseless fury, and Hulk would beat him to the ground. That's why the Mother Box is key in this fight.
Pressure points don't necessarily work on a pain basis. If Hulk has an anatomy similar to a human there's no reason plenty of pressure points wouldn't work.
I don't know about that. In my opinion, that's suspect. A lot of pressure point use is about pain (you use the sharp, sudden pain to cause the enemy to falter or obey you) while some of it is about striking the nerve so that its corresponding body part stops working properly. If he can't feel pain, and I think he can as I seem to remember him getting pissed over it, then it's only the nerve-shot that he needs to worry about. But can't his healing abilities just fix it?
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Well yeah, but it would be a nerve shot from Orion. I'd imagine that'd cause substansial damage. And I may be stretching a bit, but maestro said that spine injuries took the longest to heal, I imagine that might well be because of the nerve damage.
That's quite a stretch. Maestro is just a stonger version of the Professor. Most people think he's the strongest incarnation of the Hulk, which is totally false. He's among the least durable, and he doesn't get stronger due to a psychic failsafe that turns him into Savage Banner when he gets mad..
If Merged Hulk can keep fighting with the flesh flayed from his bones, a nerve stike isn't going faze Savage Hulk.
I'll admit it was a stretch, but probably not as long a stretch as you say, the thing about pressure points is that they almost work on an inside out type of way. Just tapping certain pressure points can rander limbs useless, certainly a full on smashing of one could do quite a bit of damage. Although now that I think about it a little more, his healing should be greatly accellerated.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
I'll admit it was a stretch, but probably not as long a stretch as you say, the thing about pressure points is that they almost work on an inside out type of way. Just tapping certain pressure points can rander limbs useless, certainly a full on smashing of one could do quite a bit of damage. Although now that I think about it a little more, his healing should be greatly accellerated.
I don't think Merged Hulk had any pressure points when Vector peeled his flesh off. That didn't stop him. Savage Hulk was hit by the same attack with no effect. Vector casually moves planets with that matter repulsor blast. Look at page 1. Hulk's durability might not allow for a nerve strike, and if it does, the effect won't last.
Hulk can't be defeated in the area of brute strength. Hulk can always become more durable. There are people who are more durable than Hulk (Juggernaut,) but no one can match him in strength. Orion isn't coming out of a brawl with Hulk victorious, if he comes out at all. Unchecked anger would be Orion's undoing.
He's gonna need that Mother Box, one way or another.