Superman vs Champion (no power gem)

Superman vs Champion (no power gem)

me think champ win

didn't she-hulk beat champ w/out jem?

Originally posted by stormfront13
didn't she-hulk beat champ w/out jem?

w/o Gem AND the Power Primordial. Champ still should have won.

Champ wins.

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Originally posted by kgkg

me think champ win

Originally posted by snoopdogg
me think Superman win

🙄 When don't you?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
🙄 When don't you?

I give possible evidence that shows Superman may be able to handle whatever Surfer can dish out and now you think I believe he can beat everybody. 😱

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I see how it is.

I give possible evidence that shows Superman may be able to handle whatever Surfer can dish out and now you think I believe he can beat everybody. 😱

No. You consistently made false assumptions about the character. You continued to ignore canon facts. That led me to believe that you think that Superman is unbeatable.

Can you give any reasons why Superman would have a chance of winning this fight?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
No. You consistently made false assumptions about the character. You continued to ignore canon facts. That led me to believe that you think that Superman is unbeatable.

Can you give any reasons why Superman would have a chance of winning this fight?

1. Thing gave him a match 😘
2. No gem.
3. She-Hulk beat him.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Yea I can

1. Thing gave him a match 😘
2. No gem.
3. She-Hulk beat him.

Thing nearly got beat to death. I wouldn't call that a match.

When he fought She-Hulk, he was stripped of the Power Primordial by the Living Tribunal. It was still a poorly written fight, meant only to appease She Hulk fans. Champ is often a plot device.

He doesn't need the gem to beat Superman.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
. It was still a poorly written fight, meant only to appease She Hulk fans. Champ is often a plot device.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Oh obviously. 😉

I knew you'd respond to that part.

How strong IS Champ without his power gem? And are you giving him the power primordial in this fight? If so, it's not really a fight... More like one blast and a red n blue stain.

Originally posted by Dizzle
How strong IS Champ without his power gem? And are you giving him the power primordial in this fight? If so, it's not really a fight... More like one blast and a red n blue stain.

Kgkg didn't say he doesn't have the power primordial. He's still about as strong as Drax or Nefaria without the Gem.

I meant cuz the She-Hulk thing was brought up and Champ didn't have the PP there. Still though, a dude with insane h2h skills AND super strength? Not to mention the power blasts. And that guy said Supes had a chance...

He's above the 100ton mark, and can increase it to unknown limits with the PP.
He can't die, can't even be hurt. Galactus couldn't even kill him.(G' tried to kill the Elders and he ate them and they materialized in his stomach)

And she-hulk, well they were only boxing remember???
She was 3 times her normal power, and Champ was way way less than half his, and they only were allowed to box, no flying no kicking, no arm locks.
Basically compairable to the muhammad ali/superman match.

Champ could take everything Supe's gives with no sweat, it'd be a nice fight, but Champ wins.

Im not a Champion or SUperman expert, but it seems that maybe these two are even in physical strength and endurance.

The outcome of this may depend on who is more intelligent.

Howver, if the Champion if 5 Billion years old, maybe experience alone is enough.

Plus I'm pretty sure he pulled a Karate Kid and mastered all them martial art styles. Seriously, all of em. And he's got Power Primordial blasts to make the Silver Surfer look like a kid with a toy lazer.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Plus I'm pretty sure he pulled a Karate Kid and mastered all them martial art styles. Seriously, all of em. And he's got Power Primordial blasts to make the Silver Surfer look like a kid with a toy lazer.

Seriously and how? Specially isf Galactus couldn't kill him. Doubt he was written right... Never really seen Champ goin around blowing up planets, but I've heard plenty of the Primordial>Cosmic stuff.