Tulak Hord vs. Darth Revan

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
While I don't condone Kun's opinion in this instance (Tulak Hord is considered the best duellist of all time, unless in KOTOR III he comes back to life and Revan serves him eight times in a second, that remains) don't start yap about Revan fanboys. This forum board has had an EXCESS of Anakin/Vader fanboys who are ravenous in their defense of the boy wonder, Maul fanboys who use Shadow Hunter as a bible, and NJO Luke Skywalker fanboys who would sacrifice a date with Claudia Schiffer just to see Luke have another victory on this board.

In short, everyone has a bias; it's how valid your defense is that counts. In this case, Revan loses... but it isn't gonna be easy. IMO Ragnos, Exar, and Revan are the top three that could give Tulak fits.

ya good to see you Janus

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Originally posted by Darth_Janus
While I don't condone Kun's opinion in this instance (Tulak Hord is considered the best duellist of all time, unless in KOTOR III he comes back to life and Revan serves him eight times in a second, that remains) don't start yap about Revan fanboys. This forum board has had an EXCESS of Anakin/Vader fanboys who are ravenous in their defense of the boy wonder, Maul fanboys who use Shadow Hunter as a bible, and NJO Luke Skywalker fanboys who would sacrifice a date with Claudia Schiffer just to see Luke have another victory on this board.

In short, everyone has a bias; it's how valid your defense is that counts. In this case, Revan loses... but it isn't gonna be easy. IMO Ragnos, Exar, and Revan are the top three that could give Tulak fits.

I forgot how boring it was here until you posted. Shadow hunter bible lol.
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Ahem, as for the topic I think it's especially unclear at the moment. One person says he is the greatest duelist and that's all the info we have on him. Now while Force users rely on the Force in duels, they don't need an abundance of it. Most people think Lord Revan could kill Maul with just the Force and Kreia killed 3 Jedi masters at the same time with one use of the Force. My vote goes to Revan for being a superior tactician, having enormous potential, immense knowledge, tons of experience, an insanely strong will, and for beating every opponent he has faced thus far which includes many powerful ones.

emp. revan you're right in thinking those that rely on the force for dueling don't need an abundance of it; however, you forget that tulak hord was a dark lord of the sith and was burried in the valley of the dark lords.

although a great deal isn't known about him, just as there's a lot more to be known about revan, because tulak was also a dark lord of the sith his force powers must've been exceptional, to have gained such a title.

Indeed, and he had to have had a powerful force connection otherwise others would have beaten him with the force.

I'm going to go with Tulak here as well... IMO he could beat almost everybody up pretty badly otherwise you wouldn't be the greatest duelist.

Originally posted by Gryn Jabar
You can't be a good duelist w/o Force Power.

Thats bull.... look at maul and say that again. Revan is one of the greatest sith lords if not number1.

You think Maul had no force power? hahahaha.
From wiki:
1)"Darth Maul was also skilled with combining Force talents with mechanics, and was responsible for the design of his signature speeder bike and "Dark Eye" seeker droids."
2)Trained in the ways of the dark side of the Force from a young age"

Originally posted by Fishy
Indeed, and he had to have had a powerful force connection otherwise others would have beaten him with the force.

I'm going to go with Tulak here as well... IMO he could beat almost everybody up pretty badly otherwise you wouldn't be the greatest duelist.

Notice that Kreia specifically says DUELIST and never, "he was powerful" or "no one could touch him" or "he had a strong connection to the Force" or "he defeated all who fought him" or anything. Why would she simply say duelist? Someone was surely more powerful and probably he could defeat anyone in a Force-less duel but like Dooku did to Obi, someone could probably just throw him across the room if they had a powerful enough connection to the Force. I don't give this guy the benefit of the doubt like most, and while he was in the valley of the Dark lords, it doesn't necessarily mean he had a powerful connection, he was just a legendary duelist.

He was the only dark lord of the Sith burried in the valley of the dark Lords since the invention of Lightsabers... He had to be great and Emperor you are underestimating the Sith race as a whole, most of them were powerful in the force. To say Tulak beat them all without being able to stop force attacks or without being able to throw them back is a foolish mistake by Kreia.

However Revan does have a few edges here, probably a greater control of the force, studied Tulak Hords holocron and knows what Tulak Hord had and how he fought, still reading about somebody can only give you that mcuh. There has to have been someting about Tulak that made him brilliant and powerful. This would be a nice fight to see but judging from what we got I don't think Revan can beat him. Unfortunally thats very little so the best argument for Tulak is

He's legendaric

and for Revan

We don't know shit about Tulak and a lot about Revan that made him great. Nothing much to go on

And since we know more about Revan, IMO it's more logical to go with him. One person (who lies a lot) says Tulak was the greastest duelist of his time. That's it. I could list a page of reasons why Revan is so freakin powerful.

Tulak Hord would win this one..."One person (who lies a lot) says Tulak was the greatest duelist of his time."...Kreia also said that "Looking into Revan's eyes was like looking into the heart of the Force." I guess she was lying about that too.

Kreia doesn't lie about shit like that, she always told you the truth on everything she told you... Well almost everything there were things she hid from you but there was nothing she lied about

Originally posted by Darth Plagues
Tulak Hord would win this one..."One person (who lies a lot) says Tulak was the greatest duelist of his time."...Kreia also said that "Looking into Revan's eyes was like looking into the heart of the Force." I guess she was lying about that too.

Well maybe not lies a lot but definitely keeps the truth from the Exile at times. She was always trying to get him to become stronger, why not say Tulak was the greatest ever to get him to train more?

In Plagues' comparison, they're two totally different things. Kreia didn't know Tulak, no one else knows anything about him (that's curious isn't it) and where she got that information, no one knows but she trained Revan and with Revan gone anyway I can't think of a reason for her to lie about him.

So one person thinks this guy no one else knows about is the greastest DUELIST to ever live at that time. Now let's compare that, Revan fought Ajunta Pall's spirit (who had a weapon) and whipped his ass very easily in any order of planets single handedly. So Tulak is better than Ajunta, wow. Revan probably got 3 times as strong as he was then.

Now you people put so much emphasis on Kreia's every word, like Plagues said, she stated "Staring at him was like staring into the heart of the Force" and now I ask, who could beat the heart of the Force that realized (most likely) his full potential or very close? No one. If you think Tulak is the best duelist ever because Kreia says so it's only natural for you to think Revan is the heart of the Force and therefore would be unstoppable.

You've got a point there, she also said it made them look like children.

Now the point here is we have no real argument against Tulak, only for him thats it. Its hard to beat somebody that hasn't made a mistake that anybody knows off. Now really you can't give a good answer on this thread its a very wild guess at best

Originally posted by Fishy
You've got a point there, she also said it made them look like children.

Now the point here is we have no real argument against Tulak, only for him thats it. Its hard to beat somebody that hasn't made a mistake that anybody knows off. Now really you can't give a good answer on this thread its a very wild guess at best

I definitely agree. It's really a one sided argument for Tulak because the only knowledge we have of him comes from someone who likes him.

As for the children thing, it's very likely she was referring to duelists in general. Most duelists from that time could beat most duelists from Revan's time. However not all would make everyone from Revan's time look like children. And with as much ancient Sith knowledge as Lord Revan learned...

Agreed

It's kinda nice to finally agree on something, eh Fishy? 😂

Originally posted by Emperor Revan
It's kinda nice to finally agree on something, eh Fishy? 😂

I agree on you with a lot. I'm just not always sure on who I would vote for or not and then ussually start defending the guy the rest isn't choosing, that way I learn more about both sides and make a real choice.

Makes sense. I do that a lot too.