Tulak Hord vs. Darth Revan

"So one person thinks this guy no one else knows about is the greastest DUELIST to ever live at that time. Now let's compare that, Revan fought Ajunta Pall's spirit (who had a weapon) and whipped his ass very easily in any order of planets single handedly. So Tulak is better than Ajunta, wow. Revan probably got 3 times as strong as he was then." Quote from Emperor Revan.

A spirit is not as strong as its original body...even most of you guys said that when Marka Ragnos was fighting Jaden Korr. Ajunta Pall was in the darkness so long that he lost his skill with the Force (Similar to Kyle Katarn in JO) If it were the true Ajunta Pall, Darth Revan would have lost at the early state he was in.

You have no idea if he would have lost or not

Acutally we could. Darth Revan at the time was just a regular Jedi...Ajunta Pall was a spirit of the Force, who has even said "I've been in the darkness so long." He lost his connections with the Force. If your telling me that Ajunta Pall didn't lose some of his power, well then we have to say Marka Ragnos didn't lose that much of his power either and lost to Jedi Knight Jaden Korr, because Jaden Korr was more powerful...It doesn't make sence does it? Think about it. Revan woud have lost to the original Ajunta Pall, since at the time he was only a Jedi.

Revan was al ot more powerful then most Jedi at that time, okay not as powerful as he would be some time later but still powerful. And Ajunta lost power but do you have any idea how much power he lost? I sure as hell don't, it seems to take some spirits more time to lose power then others

Originally posted by Darth Plagues
Acutally we could. Darth Revan at the time was just a regular Jedi...Ajunta Pall was a spirit of the Force, who has even said "I've been in the darkness so long." He lost his connections with the Force. If your telling me that Ajunta Pall didn't lose some of his power, well then we have to say Marka Ragnos didn't lose that much of his power either and lost to Jedi Knight Jaden Korr, because Jaden Korr was more powerful...It doesn't make sence does it? Think about it. Revan woud have lost to the original Ajunta Pall, since at the time he was only a Jedi.

Actually, Ajunta could use the Force, he tried more than one Force power on me, he had a legendary blade that was supposedly stronger than he was, and Revan VERY EASILY whooped that spirit and then got about 3 or more times stronger. Ajunta lost some of his power, but I do think he had more than 1/6 of it as a spirit since Kreia basically believes the sword was more powerful than him. Ajunta would have been no match for Lord Revan by the time he went to fight the ancient Sith Empire single handedly. My whole point was that Tulak was a better duelist than Ajunta but so was Lord Revan.

Ajunta Pall didn't use his sword against you...you had to go get it off his corpse. And all spirits are weaker than their original organic form.

also, I'm not sure who would win, but I think you are not giving Ajunta enough credit, he had been a spirit for 25 000 years. He lost probably 90% of his power

Lord Darkstar has a very good point...

Kreia thinks the blade is more powerful than him, and I don't think it's 25,000 years but I'm not for sure. Ajunta is using some double bladed anyway and his spirit couldn't become one with the Force BECAUSE of that blade so his power shouldn't decline as a spirit. Obviously they're weaker as spirits but like I said, Lord Revan didn't even come anywhere close to breaking a sweat and then he got several times more powerful. Ajunta wouldn't have been that good in his organic form or not.

Hmmm, i haven't posted here yet, I personally think that except for tulak revan is probably the greatest sith ever, I personally beleive tulak has better lightsaber skills but personally i think revan has better force knowledge and his battle pre-cog would give him a very good chance but in the end tulak would be just too good for him, barely but still.

I sure don't. Battle precog, having the Will power to resist the Dark side of an entire planet that no one else (not even Kreia) could resist, controlling the Star Forge, being perhaps the greatest tactician ever, having enormously high potential, learning everything about the Jedi from them, plundering tombs, relics, artifacts, and knowledge from a planet sized Sith storehouse of knowledge, learning dozens of ways to kill or turn Jedi/Sith, fighting for 6 years straight as the leader of one of the forces in the two different wars against powerful opponents, killing Mandalore and the strongest Echani, and considered to be the heart of the Force.

Then he loses all that power and becomes a Jedi again, he plunders Korriban, including the tombs of four very powerful dark lords, gaining their artifacts, learning from Tulak's holocron, killing two tarentateks at the same time by himself when just one could easily kill a Jedi, he killed everyone in a Sith academy that he started, he killed the best bounty hunter at that time, a Sith Lord, he killed hundreds of dark Jedi and assassin droids, killed his apprentice Darth Malak, and became even stronger than he was during his first reign (first paragraph).

Then he recovers all his memories and knowledge, increasing his power greatly from the second paragraph, before he goes to fight the ancient Sith empire single handedly.

I mighta missed something in there about him... but now we compare him to Tulak Hord:

Tulak is thought by Kreia to be the best duelist in a time of great duelists. Kreia also thinks Revan is power, and the heart of the Force.

So I'm going with Lord Revan.

I'm almost always for revan but this time even i think he's outmatched, while revan knew a lot tulak was still a very good swordsmen, we just don't know enough about him or his force abilities, I'm not set on tulak I like revan a lot and i know jak all about tulak i will probably end up siding with revan (again) but for the moment I just don't know enough about tulak to write him off as inferior all i have heard about him is that he's the greatest duelist ever, Revan is probably better I'm just not willing to say he's going to lose without knowing anything about him.

There is nothing more to know about Tulak... Thats the worthless thing about this debate, we can't debate it all. Pro Revan people can name a lot of reasons why Revan would win but none why Tulak would lose. Pro Tulak could say one reason why Tulak would win and use that to create reasons why Revan would lose.

So this is just absolutely worthless as a debate really, there is nothing to debate

Originally posted by Fishy
There is nothing more to know about Tulak... Thats the worthless thing about this debate, we can't debate it all. Pro Revan people can name a lot of reasons why Revan would win but none why Tulak would lose. Pro Tulak could say one reason why Tulak would win and use that to create reasons why Revan would lose.

So this is just absolutely worthless as a debate really, there is nothing to debate

Yep. Having Tulak or Marka in an argument against somone we really know about is basically a waste of time since there's nothing to compare and we have no idea who might win and for what reason. I say we simply let it die and go to a better one, like Exar Kun vs. Yoda for instance.