Originally posted by Darth_Janus
I doubt that... I really do.
Why? Here's my infamous Revan reasons.
Revan was always powerful. Even as a padawan, his teachers were sure that he would become a champion of the Force. His master Kreia said "Revan was power. Staring at him was like staring into the heart of the Force.” Revan had a lust for knowledge, seeking out every piece of information he could about the Jedi.
Revan has the highest level of Battle precog, has the Will power to resist the Dark side of an entire planet that no one else (not even Kreia) could resist, controlled a star, is perhaps the greatest tactician ever, has enormously high potential, plunders all the knowledge he could from the Jedi temples, he plundered tombs, relics, artifacts, and knowledge from a planet sized Sith storehouse of knowledge, learned dozens of ways to kill or turn Jedi/Sith, fights for 6 years straight as the leader of one of the main forces in the two different wars against powerful opponents, killing Mandalore and the strongest Echani, and was considered by Kreia (Revan's mentor who could kill three Jedi council members at the same time with one use of the Force) to be the heart of the Force.
Then he loses all that power and becomes a Jedi again, he plunders Korriban, including the tombs of four very powerful dark lords, gaining their artifacts, learning from Tulak's holocron, killing two tarentateks at the same time by himself when just one could easily kill a Jedi, he killed everyone in a Sith academy that he started, he killed the best bounty hunter at that time, a Sith Lord, he killed hundreds of dark Jedi and assassin droids, defeated and killed his apprentice Darth Malak at least twice in a row, and became even stronger than he was during his first reign (first paragraph).
Then he recovers all his memories and knowledge from Malachor V, the Jedi temples, etc. increasing his power greatly from the second paragraph, before he goes to fight the ancient Sith empire single handedly.
Now Kun on the other hand, while powerful, is also extremely arrogant and foolish, thinking he can never be defeated even as a spirit. I also don't think his power even matches Lord Revan's...
Originally posted by Emperor Revan
Why? Here's my infamous Revan reasons.Revan was always powerful. Even as a padawan, his teachers were sure that he would become a champion of the Force. His master Kreia said "Revan was power. Staring at him was like staring into the heart of the Force.” Revan had a lust for knowledge, seeking out every piece of information he could about the Jedi.
Revan has the highest level of Battle precog, has the Will power to resist the Dark side of an entire planet that no one else (not even Kreia) could resist, controlled a star, is perhaps the greatest tactician ever, has enormously high potential, plunders all the knowledge he could from the Jedi temples, he plundered tombs, relics, artifacts, and knowledge from a planet sized Sith storehouse of knowledge, learned dozens of ways to kill or turn Jedi/Sith, fights for 6 years straight as the leader of one of the main forces in the two different wars against powerful opponents, killing Mandalore and the strongest Echani, and was considered by Kreia (Revan's mentor who could kill three Jedi council members at the same time with one use of the Force) to be the heart of the Force.
Then he loses all that power and becomes a Jedi again, he plunders Korriban, including the tombs of four very powerful dark lords, gaining their artifacts, learning from Tulak's holocron, killing two tarentateks at the same time by himself when just one could easily kill a Jedi, he killed everyone in a Sith academy that he started, he killed the best bounty hunter at that time, a Sith Lord, he killed hundreds of dark Jedi and assassin droids, defeated and killed his apprentice Darth Malak at least twice in a row, and became even stronger than he was during his first reign (first paragraph).
Then he recovers all his memories and knowledge from Malachor V, the Jedi temples, etc. increasing his power greatly from the second paragraph, before he goes to fight the ancient Sith empire single handedly.
Now Kun on the other hand, while powerful, is also extremely arrogant and foolish, thinking he can never be defeated even as a spirit. I also don't think his power even matches Lord Revan's...
Exar Kun was a pupil of the legendary jedi master vodo baask, vodo claimed that he was the most powerful he had ever trained in the 600 years he had been alive.
Exar Kun also met freedon nadds spirit and trained under a real sith lord before killing him once he was no longer needed. Kun then gathered many sith artifacts to increase his power including a sith amulet that made him so powerful the massasi thought he was a god and he was stated to be the "embodiment of the dark side".
Kun eventually found ulic qel dromo and they had an epic duel but as they were fighting the sith amulets they both were wearing projected an image of a glorius sith empire. Marka ragnos himself came to them and stated that they were the bringers of the new golden age of the sith as an ancient prophecy had predicted. Exar Kun was the strongest of the two and was made the dark lord of the sith, with ulic as his apprentice.
Kun made a new type of lightsaber, a double bladed lightsaber, but his was not like the one darth maul had, his had a much smaller hilt that allowed quick precise slashes. Kun wore a cortosis weave armor that blocks lightsaber blows. Kun was also so powerful in the dark side the ground shook when he walked.
When ulic got impatient and screwed up by attacking coruscant to early and got imprisoned, Kun stormed the galactic senate and froze everyone, many jedi included. Kun then made a fool of the supreme chancellor before killing him in amusement. After that vodo came, him being the only one strong enough to resist kuns spell and challenged kun but kun simply toyed with him before killing him relative ease.
Kun went to ossus and recruited jedi under the very nose of masters, then when he was done he ordered one of his suncrushers to destroy the world but not before he plundered all the jedi knowledge within. He killed many jedi and even killed odan-urr( the 1000 year old jedi master who made the jedi code) to get a sith holocron he was protecting.
When ulic told where kun was hiding however and ruined everything thousands of jedi came after him because he was so much of a threat, kun knew even he couldnt beat such a force so he brilliantly trapped his consiousness in a temple on yavin 4.
Four thousand years later luke comes along, kun seeing an oppurtunity posseses kyp durron, and mind you it was four thousand years later and kun has lost ALOT of his power. Then with kyp he knocks out luke and splits his spirit from his body, then he pulls a suncrusher out of the sun. Kyp ofcourse rejects kun after a while then it take 12 apprentices including jacen skywalker and the spirits of vodo baask and luke skywalker to finnaly destroy the shadow of what kun once was.
Well Emperor Revan, I agree with you that Revan is good and all, but he does not have the power you think he does, knowledge possibly, but I'm not sure he has mastered much of it. I think that both Exar and Yoda would beat him (Exar wasting him), we simply do not know enough about Revan other than he is a tactician to say other-wise.
Here are some reasons as to why Revan is not as powerful as you may think:
I just faced him in KotOR II (in the hidden tomb on Korriban), I was a level 23, and all I did was do a master flurry with Juyo activated, for a total of three attacks, and he died, he actually never even hit me. I took no damage at all from him. Also remember that this is Revan with his battle pre-cog and his tactics did not help him there. Actually, I am not sure why his tactics would play such a large role; he was a starship commander and would think on a large scale, not one-on-one combat. This is also after the Mandalorian wars. He had all his jedi training and some of his sith training and some of Malachor V’s training. So really he wasn’t as strong as you may think, because after that, he went to war against the Republic for a bit, then got his mind wiped and lost all that he had before. Then he went and fought in KotOR, but he would have learned nothing new, just got some combat experience. This is probably why Malak said he was stronger then when he was before the mind-wipe, he had experience. After that he went and regained his memories, but only after a year, then he instantly went and left for the old sith empire, not doing much more training. So over-all, I think Revan is powerful sure, but not as good as several people seem to think. He was mainly feared for his tactics and ability to lead, neither of which would help him in a battle.
And sure you will come and say he defeated Mandalore and Yusanis, great, that is two that we know of. All of there guards were likely killed by other jedi with Revan to keep him safe.
Oh, about a jedi mistaking him for a padawan without the use of the force, might I remind you that a sith lord mistook one of your party (for me Mira so that is who I will say), for a padawan when she was untrained. Since a sith lord would have a greater knowledge of the force than a padawan would (we know that this is a padawan since she was friends with Juhani and the same age), does this mean that Mira is stronger than Revan? Now I know she is not, but it is an example to show you that you cannot place so much of your faith in one little line.
Actually speaking of one little line, how about Kreia’s line referring to Revan as “the heart of the force.” Well she also said that the Exile was her best student, which is not true. So why does this other line mean so much? I think she may have been partly blinded by her devotion to Revan and described him like that. This is a true example, there was a teacher, and my class was her first class, my class is also a horrible class and the years after us are much better. But she still says that ours was the best class and that nothing can compare in the least to it and this is totally false. So people always hold a fondness to their first, Kreia would very likely be the same. Now I think you will say that Kreia was just trying to make the Exile feel good, which is very likely I admit. But it is equally likely that she said "the heart of the force" comment to make the Exile work harder and become stronger, doesn't that sound she would do, use trickery to make a person work harder and become stronger?
You posted that in another thread, could you please read my reply there because I'm to lazy to copy paste that. It basically came down to this
First paragraph - No real reason to draw those conclusions
Second paragraph - Higly unlikely
3 - Don't care about what Padawans say that don't have the experience and some other shit
4 - Kreia lying about the Exile is far more likely then her lying about Revan...