My review of batman begins (SPOILERS ALERT)

Originally posted by bakerboy
Well, this afternoon i have been one of the lukiest men on earth because a friend of mine is a cinema critic and he invited me to a special release for the press of batman begins in my country, spain, Althought the movie will be released next friday. And man, five words: BEST COMIC BOOK MOVIE EVER. Forgive superman movies, forgive man spider movies, forvige x men movies, daredevil , the hulk, punisher, etc, and specially forgive the four previous batman movies, THIS IS THE DEFINITIVE BATMAN MOVIE. For me, the other four dont exists. I will try dont tell too much for the people to keep the amazing effect of the movie when you see it for first time. Lets begin with the review:
First image of the movie, the warner bros loge turning into bats , whoaoooo, i was totally exited when i see it.

The first hour of the movie is about Young Bruce Wayne life and his training and travels for the world, his relationshipe with the misterous henry ducard, his remember of his parents murder and his feel of guilty, he wants to do something and find justice , but he doesnt know how . Ducard trained him and teach him how to concentrate his fell of guilty and rage in one objetive, and how to controlls his fear and use it to scare his enemies. This part of the movie is essential to understand who Bruce Wayne is and why he becomes batman.

Second part of the movie, gotham city. That is the gotham city of the comics, forgive burton and shumacher cities, that is the definitive gotham city. A corrupted, realistic and dark city that looks like a hell itself. We see the bruce wayne as he is in the comics. A tall, handsome, muscular and arrogant and silly play boy who are all day in parties and try to gets all the women. And we see batman, best batman ever, serious, intimidating and creepy. The definitive batman. We see Falcone, scarecrow, alfred, jim gordon, batmovile, batcave, etc. That is the world of dc comics . A lot of action, a lot of good action scenes, batman doing martial arts, scarecrow creepy as hell, awsome scenes with batmovile, a fine love story with rachel ( katie holmes) and spectacular end. What a end. Absolutely wonderful. At the end of the movie, you have the feeling that you know who batman and bruce wayne is and what are his motivations and why this guy wears a bat costume and fights the crime every night.

The good points: 95% of them. CHRISTIAN BALE IS THE MAN. He is amazing as batman and even more amazing as Bruce Wayne, his voice, his look, his conversations with alfred, his eyes, his screen presence.he isnt playing batman, he is batman. He was as good as Chris Reeve as superman.

The supporting cast is amazing: katie holmes is very good, Cillian Murphy is totally creepy as scarecrow/professor crane, Oldman, Wilkinson, Hauer, Watanebe and Freeman are very good , but specially Michael Caine and Liam Neeson. Caine`s alfred is brillaint, as good as michael gough was, his relationship with bruce and his sense of humour is great. Neeson is great too, his misterious and powerful precense as ducard almost steals the show. Really, Bale, Caine and Neeson stealed the show, with Murphy in a close second.

Bad points: Batmovile design: it should have been a lot better, but it stils works better than i thought.

The references to the burton movies: i thought that it was a total re start of the series, so , some references to the burton movies pissed me off.

To resume it, Best batman movie and best comic boock movie ever. At the end of the screening, almost all the people were aplauding in the cinema, including myself and my friend. Go and see quickly. a 9'9 of 10.

Can't wait to see the movie.

Originally posted by benx
can i ask,
did anyone think there where bits missing?or bits skiped over?

well, here's something: in the first full length trailer, if I remember right, there's a brief flash of a building, by day, not the wayne building. the top floor's windows are blown out in an explosion that pretty much covers the whole top floor, or what we can see of it.

IT was decent, they change more to this than Batman 89.

Scarecrow NEVER work at Arkham in the comics.

Bruce Wayne never had a girlfreind loved, as a kid growing up.

Ra never Train Bruce. Nor did Ra have bodie doubles,

Batman would have saved Ra any way, and oh yeah Ra had a daughter, That would have been a better loved story than what we got.

Fox and Wayne were never relly that close. And Alf did not have that big of a impact in this movie like the Alf of the Batman comics.

Originally posted by Sileas
well, here's something: in the first full length trailer, if I remember right, there's a brief flash of a building, by day, not the wayne building. the top floor's windows are blown out in an explosion that pretty much covers the whole top floor, or what we can see of it.

You mean this, it was in the film.

Originally posted by Joker1237
Fox and Wayne were never relly that close. And Alf did not have that big of a impact in this movie like the Alf of the Batman comics.

Alf?

Originally posted by vaya_the_elf
😛 You know what I mean.

Most of the time you always have negative things to say about batman stuff, and other comic book stuff.

so i just thought it was cool that you liked. Thats all.

Yeah I cant believe it myself that the only one complaint I really had about it was that they left us hanging in the dark again if Robin would be in a sequel or not by not mentioning Dick Greysons name. 🙁

As I said earlier,the four other Batman films were all nothing but just a bad nightmare thats finally all over with. Since hollywood redeemed themselves with the Batman franchise by FINALLY making a good Batman movie,this gives me hope that in the future maybe 15 to 20 years later from 2002,they will also redeem themselves again and make a good movie with the guy I have in my avatar and sig. 🙂 There is hope now. 🙂

What I really loved about this movie was that they cleared up the lies about his character from the first two films,that he doesnt kill people when he was talking to his mentor saying-I will fight crime and help bring justice to gothem-"or something similiar to that" and then said-but I will not execute someone. Thats the true Batman.People now know the truth about Batman,they now will know that idiot Tim Burton lied about his character with his horrible films that butchered to death his character. 💃

Matter of fact,I saw this movie again this weekend with my best friend in his parents as a birthday present to both of us since out birthdays are so close together,and his parents came out of the theater saying the same thing,that unlike the other Batman films,they really liked THIS Batman movie.Matter of fact before the movie started,they were saying they did not like Burtons films either because of how he killed people in they were really happy to see how this movie showed how Batman will not kill people no matter how evil they are.

When I saw the movie I thought "anyone that doesn't like this film is a ****tard!"

I was so sick of Batman being directly responsible for peoples murder in the previous movies.

Joker - Although it was technically an accident, he didn't even TRY to stop him. Plus he killed quite a few goons of his. Joker's death is slightly forgivable considerring the predicament Batman himself was in, and to be honest, the statue giving away was something nobody would have expected,, so I guess it wasn't that bad.

Penguin - Didn't even TRY to save him. Again, seemingly accident-like, but Batman was still responsible. He actually went so far as to blow up some of Penguins goons with dynamite earlier in the film - with intention.

Two-Face - Worst one of the lot as far as baddies deaths are concerned. Batman so clearly wanted Harvey to fall. He threw the coins in the air and just watched him fall, didn't even try. This isn't like Joker where he tried to tie him up, or confuse Penguin with the bats and they both ended up dead. This was different, he wanted his one-time friend to fall and die. Inexcusable really.

Now, with Begins, Batman simply left Ra's alone. Ra got himself into that situation, and Batman cleverly abided by his own rules perfectly, but still shown to everyone he was a ruthless son of a b!tch when he needs to. As far as Batman is concerned, Ra's killed himself. This is what sets this new Batman apart from any of the others, because it demonstrated how Batman thinks and shown how his justice works.

watched the trailer again, proph. you be right. 🙂

Originally posted by Sileas
well, here's something: in the first full length trailer, if I remember right, there's a brief flash of a building, by day, not the wayne building. the top floor's windows are blown out in an explosion that pretty much covers the whole top floor, or what we can see of it.

ok my dvd must have a few bits missing as thats not in my copy....
have a missed abit from...
the scarecrow has the girl in the basement, having shown her that there poisnering the water...what batman appears,
they all know its batman..but how?
thats the first time hes worn the batsuit out...?
or have a i missed a bit?
please help

Originally posted by Joker1237
Scarecrow NEVER work at Arkham in the comics.

didnt he?
he did in the cartoon tho yes?

Originally posted by Sileas
watched the trailer again, proph. you be right. 🙂

Glad I could help. 🙂

Originally posted by benx
ok my dvd must have a few bits missing as thats not in my copy....
have a missed abit from...
the scarecrow has the girl in the basement, having shown her that there poisnering the water...what batman appears,
they all know its batman..but how?
thats the first time hes worn the batsuit out...?
or have a i missed a bit?
please help

It seems ALL of that will be solved if you simply see this film in theatres rather than on a bootleg. 😉

Originally posted by benx
didnt he?
he did in the cartoon tho yes?

Nope.

danm looks like there r bits missing,and £5for it on dvd was a bargin...
but i'm gonna see it in away,

and oh,sure i saw it in the cartoon he did...ahwell,

he never work in Arkham at the comics or Cartoon, They did a BIG change in the scarcrows orgin in that movie.

He was bully by kids and thus turn into the Scarcrow later in life in the comics. Also learn about fear toxics and such.

In the cartoon, he was a teacher at a school. But was fired and thus became the Scarecrow.

In either story, did he ever work at Arkham.

Yeah, they should have explored the Scarecrow's origin's more, he's cool. I don't know what he was supposed to have seen when he halucinated. Was it a gargoyle or something? Scarecrow's supposed to be scared of birds.

yeah scare of birds, But he saw a scary Bat (If I saw what Scarcrow saw, would not fear me one min.)

On a side note, the Scarcrow's fear gas HAS no affect on the Joker, as in broken Bat, I find that pretty cool

hhmmm deffo gonna have to talk to the dvd girl....

For the last couple weeks all I've heard is "they FINALLY got it right." I can't agree with that. It may be the closest to right it has ever been, but it's still not what I would call right.

Now don't get me wrong, the movie was GOOD. I'll agree with anyone who says that. In fact, Batman Begins had some of the best dialogue a movie could possibly have. It is nothing short of amazing the amount of reality that was brought to Batman through this movie and using the tumbler for the Batmobile was pure genius. Never have I been more convinced that someone could actually own a Batmobile. The ending had me leaving wanting a sequel.

However, I cannot say that this movie is right. I guess it really depends on what someone's definition of the right way to do a Batman movie is, but this was not my idea of right. First of all, the beginning was interesting, but didn't feel like a Batman movie at all. If it weren't for the constant references to the Wayne Family and Gotham, I'm not sure I'd even realize I was watching a Batman movie. While, I'm glad alot of time was taken to develop Bruce becoming Batman, it just simply took too long. I'm not sure what could have helped out, though. Maybe starting the movie with a Batman fight scene where he is in costume, so I can at least go, "hey, I'm watching a Batman movie," but if they did that, it'd probably take away from when he finally put on the suit.

Secondly, the fight scenes were just rather blah to me. I can understand why they were made like that but the hectic camera angles, where you couldn't tell what was going on, were more annoying to me than exciting. Even though the fight scenes weren't terrible and seemed to fit well with the pace of the movie, I honestly feel like the ninja-esque style could have been accomplished without those hectic camera angles.

Another thing was Scarecrow was shortchanged. Yes, he should play second-string to Ra's Al Ghul, but Scarecrow shouldn't be a secondary villain in the film. I can live with it, but the Batman movies really shouldn't cater around more than one villain. And if they have more than one, they should take a note from Daredevil. I know, I know, alot of you probably hated Daredevil-- a movie I liked-- but at least Bullseye, who was the secondary villain to kingpin, wasn't shortchanged.

This movie had one really unforgivable part: The part where he just let the enemy die. That's not Batman. And I felt it went against the entire movie. Bruce was built up to be the guy who didn't kill. All that buildup for what? Just to not save someone? He may as well have killed him.

And lastly, the ending with Bruce Wayne and Holme's character reminded me way to much of the Mary Jane-Peter Parker ending to Spider-man.

Of coarse, alot of it was nitpicking on my part. I would recommend watching the movie. It is definitely enjoyable. But not without flaws and not what I would call right.

agree with you on many points. It might just be nitpicking what was otherwise a GREAT movie, but I see what you're saying.

When you mention the part about him leaving a guy to die,are you referring to the end where he left his mentor on the train? We dont know for sure beyond a doubt that he died.Matter of fact I would not be surprised if they decided to do that because in future sequels,he might be the main guy who is behind the crimes,that he survived it all, the same way scarecrow was just a pawn for the whole thing.Thats a good point.I hear what your saying about the scarecrow,they could have developed his character better probably but the time he did have on screen I thought they did a good job of introducing him into it though.
Also,that really didn't bother me that he did that because Im sure he knew that he would escape the crash him being the ninja that he is and all.That he would find a way to escape.

I see where your coming from also on the end as well.Yeah It was kinda reminiscent of the ending to Peter Parker and Mary Jane in spider-man.I didn't think it was a good idea for there to be one more girl AGAIN to find out his identity after the first 3 Batman films did it.I just hope the sequels dont follow the same direction those batman films did. I see what your saying and understand why you didn't like those parts as well but unlike the other Batman films,this Batman film had many many more positives than negatives about it so its pretty easy to over look those mistakes.

btw,I am one of those few here like you,who also enjoyed Daredevil as well. 🙂 I liked it much better than most comicbook movies.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
When you mention the part about him leaving a guy to die,are you referring to the end where he left his mentor on the train? We dont know for sure beyond a doubt that he died.Matter of fact I would not be surprised if they decided to do that because in future sequels,he might be the main guy who is behind the crimes,that he survived it all, the same way scarecrow was just a pawn for the whole thing.Thats a good point.I hear what your saying about the scarecrow,they could have developed his character better probably but the time he did have on screen I thought they did a good job of introducing him into it though.
Also,that really didn't bother me that he did that because Im sure he knew that he would escape the crash him being the ninja that he is and all.That he would find a way to escape.

Yes, the train scene is what I'm talking about.

Whether he escaped or not is besides the point. Batman intensionally let the guy fall to his death.

If Batman knew that he would escape, then why didn't Batman go after him? If Batman was trying to bring justice to Gotham, then why would he purposely let the enemy escape and go free?

But
I agree that the movie had more positives than negatives. I can overlook everything EXCEPT the part where Batman doesn't save his trainer.

And I'm glad to see someone else liked Daredevil.