So far, this witness has given one story to the police, another story to a psychologist, and two different stories in court.
He claims his family was held captive at Neverland ranch for nearly a month but admits to leaving and coming back at least three times.
He and his sister cannot get their stories straight and he admits to have lied under oath in two other court cases.
I am not making a statement about Michael Jackson's innocence or guilt, but of the credibility of this boy as a witness.
Let's just bring things down.
The only evidence you have Draco, is that he hangs out with kids. Oh and the one line about letting kids sleep in his bedroom.
Doesn't make the man a paedophile.
The kid was prepared to lie underoath and if the parents KNEW he was lying, would they have stepped up and said "Hey, my son is lying. Michael Jackson didn't do that"? No.
If they're that desperate then they obviously know they've not got enough real evidence on him to send him away.
I laugh at you and you jail beating talk.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Let's just bring things down.The only evidence you have Draco, is that he hangs out with kids. Oh and the one line about letting kids sleep in his bedroom.
Doesn't make the man a paedophile.
The kid was prepared to lie underoath and if the parents KNEW he was lying, would they have stepped up and said "Hey, my son is lying. Michael Jackson didn't do that"? No.
If they're that desperate then they obviously know they've not got enough real evidence on him to send him away.
I laugh at you and you jail beating talk.
-AC
can i interrupt your posturing and request that you answer my question?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Let's just bring things down.The only evidence you have Draco, is that he hangs out with kids. Oh and the one line about letting kids sleep in his bedroom.
Doesn't make the man a paedophile.
The kid was prepared to lie underoath and if the parents KNEW he was lying, would they have stepped up and said "Hey, my son is lying. Michael Jackson didn't do that"? No.
If they're that desperate then they obviously know they've not got enough real evidence on him to send him away.
I laugh at you and you jail beating talk.
-AC
I admit, I haven't been keeping up with the trial. However the evidence is pretty damning in my opinion. It's really hard to go with the "innocent before proven guilty mantra" with this case. I honestly don't care. I think it would be funny to see Mikey in an orange suit. 😱
Originally posted by PVS
can i interrupt your posturing and request that you answer my question?
Sorry, I thought it said "as I pointed out TO AC". Misread.
Would I send my children to stay at his house? If I didn't know him extremely well, for multiple years, no I wouldn't.
Originally posted by Draco69
I admit, I haven't been keeping up with the trial. However the evidence is pretty damning in my opinion. It's really hard to go with the "innocent before proven guilty mantra" with this case.
No it's not, because he is. What evidence? There is none besides the ONE thing he said. Even that is inconclusive and extremely dodgy as far as evidence goes.
Now it's been revealed that they're lying to get him down.
-AC
but the point im making AC is that its a trap.
a trap where there are 2 victimisers and 1 victim.
in the end, the child gets screwed (literally)
victimiser 1: the molester-MJ
victimiser 2: parents who send their kids to sleep over and be molested, in hopes of winning a settlement.
and
the victim: the child. set up by his own parents to be MJ's toy...for profit. in order to spice up the story, he is told to lie by the people he trusts the most on this planet...mommy and daddy. can you really hate the kid for this?
so when the case is over, the parents are proven to be scummy frauds and sent home empty handed...but does that make MJ innocent? now keep in mind, im not suggesting that he should be found guilty regardless, as that would be a blatent obstruction of justice and would hurt us all.
all im asking is this: isnt it so painfully f**king obvious that he is a peodophile? the man has been charged repeatedly, KNOWS that its socially unacceptable, but continues this behavior, desperately trying to convince the world its all innocent. thats not a statement against the norm, its a compulsion. he HAS to have children sleeping in his bed, or else it would have ceased and there woud be no more media attention.
Well.... Jordy Chandler didn't appear to have lied when he said he knew what the underside of Jackson's lovestick looked like in an upright position and it was proven so after the police had taken photos of the afformentioned bangrod, and it matched description....
This was a big reason that MJ paid out the hush money to the family under contract for them not to talk, and the(Civil) case was dropped.
A Nonce with a clever legal dept and lots of money is STILL just a nonce.
I don't buy that this guy should be allowed near kids, even if just for how he appears to treat his own, let alone the fact that he acts, behaves and like a nonce, he has maintained "relationships" with kids who the second they hit maturity, he then casts them aside and repeatedly demonstrates total lack of control and lack of boundries in situations with kids.... Oh man..... The rest of the evidence from Neverland and the Bashir doc is overwhelming. I'm not going to argue the obvious a moment longer, but Im stunned by people who still say that this guy is being fitted up by the witnesses... This latest technical lapse on the part of the boy, still does not excuse MJ's behavior...
Originally posted by PVS
the victim: the child. set up by his own parents to be MJ's toy...for profit. in order to spice up the story, he is told to lie by the people he trusts the most on this planet...mommy and daddy. can you really hate the kid for this?
Wasn't the child 14? The one who lied? If so, then yeah, I can. Because he's old enough to know the consequences and severity of the situation. He still lied. I wouldn't say Jackson is a molester, as it hasn't been...you know, proven.
Originally posted by PVS
so when the case is over, the parents are proven to be scummy frauds and sent home empty handed...but does that make MJ innocent? now keep in mind, im not suggesting that he should be found guilty regardless, as that would be a blatent obstruction of justice and would hurt us all.
How would it be? If he didn't do anything, then yeah he's innocent. He's never ever ever going to live this down. Thanks to people labelling him something he may very well not be, too fast. Also without thinking. You are going by the assumption that he did it.
Originally posted by PVS
all im asking is this: isnt it so painfully f**king obvious that he is a peodophile?
Nah. Call me crazy, call me an info whore or what not, but to lay that label on someone, I need to see undeniable evidence.
Originally posted by PVS
the man has been charged repeatedly, KNOWS that its socially unacceptable, but continues this behavior, desperately trying to convince the world its all innocent.
Charged? What's a charge without a conviction and substantial evidence? Socially unacceptable to what? Be a paedophile? Yeah I'm sure he does know that. Socially acceptable to sleep in the same bed as kids? I wouldn't say so. If he never laid a finger on them in a harmful or molesting way, then you are wrong, he isn't. It's not a crime.
Originally posted by PVS
thats not a statement against the norm, its a compulsion. he HAS to have children sleeping in his bed, or else it would have ceased and there woud be no more media attention.
You're basing so much of this on assumption (based on nothing concrete). You are assuming that he's a paedophile, that he craves all this and that he's lying. That's you. You've got no substantial reason to believe all that. You just can't see past the fact that you don't believe the interest and love for children is innocent.
Don't label him with things that you cannot prove. Most of what you just posted is "Well this is what I think and it simply cannot be false."
-AC
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
A Nonce with a clever legal dept and lots of money is STILL just a nonce.
I don't buy that this guy should be allowed near kids, even if just for how he appears to treat his own, let alone the fact that he acts, behaves and like a nonce, he has maintained "relationships" with kids who the second they hit maturity, he then casts them aside and repeatedly demonstrates total lack of control and lack of boundries in situations with kids.... Oh man..... The rest of the evidence from Neverland and the Bashir doc is overwhelming. I'm not going to argue the obvious a moment longer, but Im stunned by people who still say that this guy is being fitted up by the witnesses... This latest technical lapse on the part of the boy, still does not excuse MJ's behavior...
I'll say this about Jordy Chandler and his father (the one who pushed Jordy to accuse Jackson), if someone sexually molested my kid, no amount of millions could silence me. The very fact that they back up when money is introduced, says it all. BANG! You're dead.
Secondly, why shouldn't HE be allowed near kids? If the parents were more responsible the kids wouldn't be near him, if they had a problem. None of what you are saying is relevant in a case of sexual molestation. The Bashir Doc? What of it? The man fabricates more than Gianni Versace.
Who the hell are you to judge MJ's behaviour? It's not affecting you, hurting you, disrespecting you or corrupting you. The very fact that the boy lied is enough to show how badly people want him sent down.
If that lie wasn't picked up, would his parents have stepped in and said "Now wait, our boy is telling a lie there. Jackson didn't do that"? No. Why? Coz they don't give a shit about their kid, hence why this is all going on.
-AC
Charged? What's a charge without a conviction and substantial evidence?
AC, don't you question that MJ has payed over 27.5 million dollars in hush money regarding his first two charges? And you can not be so naive to not beleive that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
I guess you also believe that being as the justice system found O.J. Simpson not guilty that he is in fact not responsible for the deaths of his wife and her friend?
MJ will be found innocent because he has money. That is how the system works.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'll say this about Jordy Chandler and his father (the one who pushed Jordy to accuse Jackson), if someone sexually molested my kid, no amount of millions could silence me. The very fact that they back up when money is introduced, says it all. BANG! You're dead.
and that makes his father a scumbag. but please explain how it is then deducted that MJ is innocent>?
Originally posted by KharmaDog
AC, don't you question that MJ has payed over 27.5 million dollars in hush money regarding his first two charges? And you can not be so naive to not beleive that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
If someone molested your child sexually, could cash shut you up? The answer from any parent should be no. Unless they wanted mone....oh wait.
Originally posted by PVS
and that makes his father a scumbag. but please explain how it is then deducted that MJ is innocent>?
Did I deduce that he was? No. I said that it's obvious that they were after money. The last thing Michael Jackson needs is another case based on wretched, filthy lies. Was paying them off a bad look for him? Yes. Does it prove he is guilty? No.
-AC
AC, first you say,
I'll say this about Jordy Chandler and his father (the one who pushed Jordy to accuse Jackson), if someone sexually molested my kid, no amount of millions could silence me. The very fact that they back up when money is introduced, says it all. BANG! You're dead.
then you say
Who the hell are you to judge MJ's behaviour?
Who are you to say? What does your opinion matter? See it works both ways.
If someone molested your child sexually, could cash shut you up? The answer from any parent should be no. Unless they wanted mone....oh wait.
If someone molested my kid they could not pay me off.
However, I have enough money to provide a good life for my kids. Perhaps MJ isolates these poor children because he knows that the family has limited resources to fight him, and that money can shut them up.
These people live in a different reality than you. And some people take advantage of that. That being said, is it right, no it's not. But like some guy on CNN said, those parents who got 25 million dollars can now afford a life and counselling for their kid, these kids in this court case will get NO money, and their lives will be ruined.