Did Mace have Sidious OR was Sidious playing?

Originally posted by Ogami Itto
why?? because u say so??

i can only judge things by the way i SEE them ! and i saw mace windu defeat sidious! there was no indication given that he was faking on screen!! and don't gimme any of that EU rubbish!!

You couldn't have said it any more correct.

To be honest I have to believe Sidious was faking, come on he's meant to be the The Sith Master.

For some reason, that doesn't convince me.

You know, I feel he was faking as well, but they are right. There is no proof to this theory what so ever. The only thing that supports the theory he was faking is that yoda couldnt beat him, and Yoda is better than Mace. But thats not factoring in location. In this case, Yoda had a very shitty location to fight at. They were bouncing around on galactic chamber platforms, like two damn bullfrogs. So evne that argument has a flaw.

The way he acts afterwards at any time he could of used his foce powers but didn't. Come on if he could kick yoda's ass he could take Mace

Originally posted by sumbum
You know, I feel he was faking as well, but they are right. There is no proof to this theory what so ever. The only thing that supports the theory he was faking is that yoda couldnt beat him, and Yoda is better than Mace. But thats not factoring in location. In this case, Yoda had a very shitty location to fight at. They were bouncing around on galactic chamber platforms, like two damn bullfrogs. So evne that argument has a flaw.

I think Mace gave him an admirable fight. I think Sidious is much more powerful than him, but not by leaps and bounds. In the end, this was a plan by Sidious to have Anakin walk in at the right time. If you were to walk in when Anakin did, you would think that Mace was killing a old defenseless man. You would think, why didn't he just arrest him, he must be trying to assassinate him. In the end, Sidious new Anakin would not let him die because of Padme, so that was the best way to turn him to the dark side quicker.

Mace is one of the most skilled jedi in terms of use of lightsaber and one of the fiercest jedis overall so i would say he completely owned him

Originally posted by ccoo
I think Mace gave him an admirable fight. I think Sidious is much more powerful than him, but not by leaps and bounds. In the end, this was a plan by Sidious to have Anakin walk in at the right time. If you were to walk in when Anakin did, you would think that Mace was killing a old defenseless man. You would think, why didn't he just arrest him, he must be trying to assassinate him. In the end, Sidious new Anakin would not let him die because of Padme, so that was the best way to turn him to the dark side quicker.

Originally posted by sumbum
You know, I feel he was faking as well, but they are right. There is no proof to this theory what so ever. The only thing that supports the theory he was faking is that yoda couldnt beat him, and Yoda is better than Mace. But thats not factoring in location. In this case, Yoda had a very shitty location to fight at. They were bouncing around on galactic chamber platforms, like two damn bullfrogs. So evne that argument has a flaw.

Yoda is not better than Mace. They are equal in power. This is stated on the Starwars.com Databank.

Ok if they're equal then doesn't that prove that Sid was faking? He beat Yoda so that means he'd of beaten Mace

Not equal. Yoda survived. Mace is a splat on the sidewalk.

His force power didn't forsee Anakin cutting his arm off did it?

Originally posted by Revan Souer
Ok if they're equal then doesn't that prove that Sid was faking? He beat Yoda so that means he'd of beaten Mace

Incorrect. Mace and Yoda had the same power but their styles were different. Maces style may have faired better against Sidious than Yodas did.

Originally posted by Ogami Itto
why?? because u say so??

i can only judge things by the way i SEE them ! and i saw mace windu defeat sidious! there was no indication given that he was faking on screen!! and don't gimme any of that EU rubbish!!

Originally posted by PloKoon
Mace is one of the most skilled jedi in terms of use of lightsaber and one of the fiercest jedis overall so i would say he completely owned him

Read my first post i still say that pretty much explains it

I think if you've read the books you'd be more willing to believe Sidious knew what would happen and went with it, or through the fight a bit, but on screen it looks like Sidious owns him.
Either way, Sidious didn't get tossed out the window

Originally posted by JKozzy
Um, I'm pretty sure I saw Sidious OWN Mace. EU aside, it's still quite obvious that Palpatine is baiting Anakin. I mean, c'mon. "I can't hold him any longer... too weak... Anakin, help me, HELP ME!" Can't sense any notion of seriousness in those lines, at all. He glances over at Anakin to see the conversion, because he knows it's happening, and that was how he planned it. He could stay hidden from the entire Jedi order for as long as he did, I'm pretty sure he can devise a simple scheme like that that would take no more than five minutes.

sidious owned mace?? ???????

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Yes, I'm sure Sidious planned to get his face melted. That's exactly what he wanted.

Mace beat him and Anakin's aid was all that saved him. As I said before, if Sidious could have won on his own merits and didn't need Anakin, then the focus is no longer on Anakin which it needs to be as the movie is ABOUT him.

Oh and Sidious didn't beat Yoda either.