Originally posted by NoFate007
I'd like to see #2 be about Two-Face and with some other cameos and such. Two-Face as the main villain and plot-driver, but I'd like to see him team up with someone small...like....The Clock King or something. Nothing too big or fancy, but just to move the story along. #3 should be all about The Joker though. I think at the end of that, he should meet Dr. Harleen Quinzel.
Are you serious?! I DO NOT WANT VILLAINS THROWN IN WITH EACH OTHER.
That would be a mess of a movie. LOL, Clock King, was only meant as a animated series villain. I DO NOT WANT TO SEE HIM IN A MOVIE.
You are basically saying you want a batman & robin all over again.
You have the same attitude as Joel Schumacher with those decisions.
It would be WAY better to build a harvey dent/bruce wayne relationship in the 2nd as a side story to go along with the joker angle. in the 3rd have Batman duke it out with Two-Face.
Originally posted by Zenoside
Jim Carrey!I mean he'd get the funny parts and the laugh all down striaght!
Have you seen him do Riddler? It was great!Carrey would make and awesome Joker.
OH MY GOODNESS.
You thought Carrey was great as the RIDDLER? I guess you don't know who the riddler is to begin with.
If you like something that Joel Schumacher did, then you like bad batman movies.
Anyone with knowledge of Batman would know that Carrey would not be a good choice.
Originally posted by Harvey Dent
Are you serious?! I DO NOT WANT VILLAINS THROWN IN WITH EACH OTHER.That would be a mess of a movie. LOL, Clock King, was only meant as a animated series villain. I DO NOT WANT TO SEE HIM IN A MOVIE.
You are basically saying you want a batman & robin all over again.
You have the same attitude as Joel Schumacher with those decisions.
It would be WAY better to build a harvey dent/bruce wayne relationship in the 2nd as a side story to go along with the joker angle. in the 3rd have Batman duke it out with Two-Face.
Ahem, count the villains in Batman Begins....2....count the villains in Batman Returns...3....I rest my point.
One of the things that really surprises me about some people is how they think that multiple villains = crappy film. Stupidity at its finest. Wanna know why the Batman series got cut short? Schumacher making it campy and having horrible scripts, bad casting, and everything else, NOT the fact that there's 2 villains. I won't even begin to argue this stupid point that you've brought up, I'm not in the mood for it not to get through a thick skull.
You both have good points. I like the idea of Harvey being Harvey the first time he is there and becoming friends with Bruce to add to the emotional depth of the transformation into Two-face. I loved the small scene in the Fugitive/Murderer arc when the one book was all about Bruce's day. From the morning at Wayne Enterprises through to when he is Batman at night. The scene showed Two-face in his cell, sitting over a chess board and looking at his watch. It's 5 to midnight and you see Harvey move his piece. The exchange goes like this:
Harvey: "Pawn to C-3"
Then over his shoulder he hears "Knight to B-4"
Harvey looks to the window and says: "HMM. Hoping to put my Queen en prise?"
Batman is looking through the small window of his cell: "You'll find out tomorrow night, Harvey."
In the next panel Batman is gone and Harvey is concentrating on the chess board.
I love that exchange because it shows Bruce's compassion for his once friend and that they still are on some level friends and always will be. I hope they explore that friendship in the next film before he becomes Two-face. It would make a scene like that great!! Not to mention how they did the 1st Two-face ep of B:TAS. They had them friends on the series prior to that happening. I hope they do it right.
As for having 2 villians means "Batman & Robin"....that was all Schumacher! "Returns" DID have 3, though Selena/Catwoman was more a vengence plot against Schrek, and I love that movie. So let's put the blame where blame is due. SCHUMACHER, Bat-nipples, script, art direction, etc. Not the amount of villians.
Originally posted by NoFate007
Ahem, count the villains in Batman Begins....2....count the villains in Batman Returns...3....I rest my point.One of the things that really surprises me about some people is how they think that multiple villains = crappy film. Stupidity at its finest. Wanna know why the Batman series got cut short? Schumacher making it campy and having horrible scripts, bad casting, and everything else, NOT the fact that there's 2 villains. I won't even begin to argue this stupid point that you've brought up, I'm not in the mood for it not to get through a thick skull.
Um there were 5 villains is Batman Begins. Can't you count? A smart Batman fan would know, but I don't expect you to.
The Batman Returns villain team up was horrible. It worked in Batman Begins because they never teamed up at all, they kept all of the villains separate and independent. I like how Ra's hired Scarcrow to aid him, but I don't even consider that a 'team up' since they never were in the same scene together as far as i know.
Stupidity at it's finest is that you actually think that the Clock King should be thrown in the movie to 'team up' with Two-Face. Makes me laugh.
I suggest you would actually do some research on the Two-Face character and Clock King before posting. HE WOULD NEVER TEAM UP WITH THE CLOCK KING!!! EVER!
It's not that I have a hard head - it's that you have no idea what you're saying.
Here's why,
1. The Clock King's agenda is to kill the mayor, and Two Face is friends with the mayor..hmmmmmmm...who's the idiot now. Two-face would actually prevent the Clock King from killing the mayor and NEVER team up with him. Two face cares less about the mayor and wants to kill the person who made him become Two-Face.
2. Harvey Dent's character is very complex, he has two personalities, so that's two characters right there.
The Clock King and Two Face combination will never work in a million years. I know why Joel Schumacher's movie failed. Thanks for retelling me stuff I already know. And part of the script failure IS having both the Riddler and Two-Face team up in the same movie. And you are the only person on the face of this earth that actually think this is a good idea.
I hope you learned something and I'm quoting you on this "I won't even begin to argue this stupid point that you've brought up, I'm not in the mood for it not to get through a thick skull."
and if you haven't seen Batman Begins and say that Two-Face and CLock King should be the main villain:
SPOILER:
JOKER LEFT A CALLING CARD AT THE END OF THE MOVIE SO HE WILL BE A VILLAIN!!
Before we start a big fight, let me clear up what you didn't get, newbie.
1. I never said Two-Face should team up with Clock King in the sense that they should shake hands and be partners. I'm going for a two at once deal here, not a team like Two-Face and Riddler, which, I never stated I liked. I thought it was terrible.
2. Comic book movies don't always follow the comics exactly, my friend, so Clock King can do whatever he wants, not just set on killing the mayor.
3. If you wanted me to count every single villain in Batman Begins, then you're wrong, because there were unnamed villains in Arkham so don't tell me I'm not a smart Batman fan just because I didn't mention Mr. Z and whatnot, ok?
4. This is what makes me think the average idiot has no creative mind anymore. The Joker card at the end, yes, we all saw it. And although that means that they're hinting at The Joker being in a sequel, it does not say 100% that he will definitely be in #2, now does it? Think about this before you start to argue with me. Are you a Spider-Man fan?...
Eddie Brock - they mention him in the first film with as much focus as they did with the card in BB...did we see Venom in #2? No. Same goes for Curt Connors' line, we didn't see The Lizard in 2 either. We saw Dr. Connors himself in #2, are we going to see him in #3? Highly unlikely.
Just because a movie hints at something, doesn't mean that's 100% true, or that they'll follow that schedule. There's things such as having sequels not follow immediately after the last second of the previous film...there's something called "business execs changing their mind"....and there's things called "we'll save the best guy for the last". The Joker is not 100% without a doubt set for #2, and you have no proof of that my friend, so don't even bother arguing it, because this thread shouldn't be wasted with it.
Now, anyway, back to the topic, who should play The Joker....
Tim Roth's name has been going around lately, but I don't think he has the height to play it. I haven't seen a pic of him with the manipulated skin and hair and whatnot, but even though he's one of my favorite actors (Tarantino fan here) I don't think he's right for the part. I'm not big on Crispin Glover's voice from what I've heard, but he seems to look the part, especially in that 2nd manip. He's got the evil down, but I don't see the funny side, yet, of course.
Originally posted by NoFate007
Before we start a big fight, let me clear up what you didn't get, newbie.1. I never said Two-Face should team up with Clock King in the sense that they should shake hands and be partners. I'm going for a two at once deal here, not a team like Two-Face and Riddler, which, I never stated I liked. I thought it was terrible.
2. Comic book movies don't always follow the comics exactly, my friend, so Clock King can do whatever he wants, not just set on killing the mayor.
3. If you wanted me to count every single villain in Batman Begins, then you're wrong, because there were unnamed villains in Arkham so don't tell me I'm not a smart Batman fan just because I didn't mention Mr. Z and whatnot, ok?
4. This is what makes me think the average idiot has no creative mind anymore. The Joker card at the end, yes, we all saw it. And although that means that they're hinting at The Joker being in a sequel, it does not say 100% that he will definitely be in #2, now does it? Think about this before you start to argue with me. Are you a Spider-Man fan?...
Eddie Brock - they mention him in the first film with as much focus as they did with the card in BB...did we see Venom in #2? No. Same goes for Curt Connors' line, we didn't see The Lizard in 2 either. We saw Dr. Connors himself in #2, are we going to see him in #3? Highly unlikely.
Just because a movie hints at something, doesn't mean that's 100% true, or that they'll follow that schedule. There's things such as having sequels not follow immediately after the last second of the previous film...there's something called "business execs changing their mind"....and there's things called "we'll save the best guy for the last". The Joker is not 100% without a doubt set for #2, and you have no proof of that my friend, so don't even bother arguing it, because this thread shouldn't be wasted with it.
1. You said in your exact words "I'd like to see him team up with someone small...like....The Clock King or something."
2. How would you like it if they made someone else Batman instead of Bruce Wayne? Changing origins of characters and giving them a whole new story sucks man. Case in point, Bane, Two-Face, Riddler and Batgirl in Joe's movies. You are on the same page as Joel Schumacher's scripts where they changed character origins.
Obviosly they don't use every thing word for word in a comic to movie adaptation but I DO NOT WANT character ORIGINS rewriten in MAJOR BATMAN VILLAINS. Batman is Batman no matter what media he is portrayed in.
3. who were these unamed villains?! If they didn't have a cameo then they were not in the movie. I said it before and I said it again, there were 5 villains in batman begins. And my precious statement still stands.
4. Eddie Brock and Dr. Connor mentionings in Spider-Man 1 & 2 are WORTHLESS compared to the JOKER and shouldn't be compared to one of the greatest comic book villains of all time. The scene where joker leaves his calling card actually means something to the batman franchise where the spider-man appearances are just simple cameo's, Just like Zsas.
Their focus was meaningless compared to the joker's calling card. THUS, Your #4 argument is useless.
5. "This is what makes me think the average idiot has no creative mind anymore."
Where is your creativity? You say the Joker won't be in the sequel and you think you're so creative?
Well maybe the writers should start being more creative like you and bring in the CLOCK KING - that will put a$$es in seats!
Originally posted by NoFate007
Now, anyway, back to the topic, who should play The Joker....Tim Roth's name has been going around lately, but I don't think he has the height to play it. I haven't seen a pic of him with the manipulated skin and hair and whatnot, but even though he's one of my favorite actors (Tarantino fan here) I don't think he's right for the part. I'm not big on Crispin Glover's voice from what I've heard, but he seems to look the part, especially in that 2nd manip. He's got the evil down, but I don't see the funny side, yet, of course.
Mark Hamil played the joker and he wasn't funny in any prior roles.
I don't want to see the Joker in the movie if he's comic releif. I want sick twisted humor - the way the Joker should be played.
As long as someone is dark and creepy and can laugh, they can play the Joker wheather they are funny or not.
Your opinions do not match mine and we're leaving it at that, all I can say is that you have a lot of nerve starting this with 5 posts under your belt, and if you don't take my advice and stop this now, you're gonna turn into one of the people that this forum hates and bans. Take my advice, call this stuff off like I said I would, I'm not arguing anymore, you're not gonna get my point and I don't have the time, and I don't wanna fill this thread up with an argument.
This is not a cede, this is a "for the best of the forum" thing.
Not to start another argument, but what I meant about the funny side of Glover was that The Joker has to be able to laugh with his own jokes, and I haven't seen any clips of Glover laughing in any films or anything, so idk if he could pull off an evil laugh or not.
Originally posted by NoFate007
Your opinions do not match mine and we're leaving it at that, all I can say is that you have a lot of nerve starting this with 5 posts under your belt, and if you don't take my advice and stop this now, you're gonna turn into one of the people that this forum hates and bans. Take my advice, call this stuff off like I said I would, I'm not arguing anymore, you're not gonna get my point and I don't have the time, and I don't wanna fill this thread up with an argument.This is not a cede, this is a "for the best of the forum" thing.
Not to start another argument, but what I meant about the funny side of Glover was that The Joker has to be able to laugh with his own jokes, and I haven't seen any clips of Glover laughing in any films or anything, so idk if he could pull off an evil laugh or not.
1. So I can't debate with anyone on these boards? I have to be a 'yes man' and do what you say just because you posted more messages than me?! The number of messages mean nothing to me if they aren't useful. Anyone can post messages as much as they want so there is no skill involved.
It's idiotic that people will count my message posts and think they are better because they have more numbers beside their name.
2. Why are you so offended when we are debating? Take it easy this is batman, I'm not making fun of what you do for a living or anything like that. So why are you so mad when someone see's things different than you?
3. I'm not going to respect people because they have more posts. I'll only respect people if I like what they have to say.
4. Glover is an actor and he can probably laugh at his own jokes if he wanted to. A good actor can play different characters. ie: Look at Johnny Depp. Johnny Depp had no experience playing a pirate before, but he played one very good in Pirates of the Caribbean. I wouldn't sell Glover short just because you have never seen him laugh before.
Mark Hamil never laughed evil before. Who would have thought that a Star Wars protagonist could pull of an evil Joker laugh very nicely.
Well you can't just naturally assume. Some actors actually cannot pull things off, and being an actor myself, I know this. Everyone always says stuff like "Edward Norton has proven that he's good in these type of roles", which makes sense, and you've seen what he is capable of to a degree, but you take a risk no matter who the actor is if you cast them in something you aren't sure about. Would you cast Chris Kattan as Batman and say "well, he's an actor, I'm sure he can be angry sometimes and isn't always laughing and smiling, he can pull it off"? No.
As for respect, all I'm saying is that my opinions differ from yours so don't insult me by not saying I'm a Batman fan just because you think otherwise. And for the posting thing, the reason I bring that up is that when you're on this board for a while, you realize how pointless it is to continue arguments, which is why I've tried to end this what, 3 or 4 times now? Is this the 5th?
Another rumor I heard: possible contender is Jeremy Irons. Maybe...gotta see a pic that convinces me though.