What compelled Anakin to go on?

The Jedi couldn't help Anakin cause he was so secretive, he never told them that he was going to see his mother before she died (EP II) so he didn't have guidance in that respect, revenge could have been avoided. Anakin told Palpy about his revenge, and Palpy encouraged it, letting him know that its ok to take revenge, eg, Dooku.

Anakin did one thing right to talk to Yoda. Yoda told him to train himself to let go of everything he feared to lose. But, he failed to do so. Palpy corrupted him more by telling Anakin that he can save Padme, so the jedi teachings went out the door.

The Jedi had the right to not trust Anakin, they could sense much confusion in him, the jedi knew Anakin been through alot. Anakin could have gained Maces trust if he stayed out of the Palpy situation. Its a touchy subject for the Jedi, when the Darkside of the force surrounds the chancellor, and Anakin is always by his side.

So, I dont think the Jedi were to responsible because they did what they had to in that situation.

Mace was orignally going to arrest Palpy, but Anakin got in the damn way and led Mace to believe that he must be killed, so Anakin held some part in that.

Hard decisions to make, even for Jedi

i have to diagree.. the jedi put anakin in that situation even though mace said himself that he didn't think ani could take it.. i do think the jedi were partly responsible for ani's turning...he couldn't help the fact that he fell for padme.. like i've said before he was to old to be trained he had expirenced to much human emotions to block them out...

they wanted Anakin by to spy on the chancellor, yes, it goes beyond the teachings. The jedi were in a desperate situation to have Anakin do that, but they didn't know Palpatine was the sith lord at the time, otherwise, they wouldn't do so. The darkside of the force has clouded their vision.
So, are they still responsible even if they dont know Palpy was sith??

Originally posted by Robin Darkside
The Jedi couldn't help Anakin cause he was so secretive, he never told them that he was going to see his mother before she died (EP II) so he didn't have guidance in that respect, revenge could have been avoided.

I guess thats kinda what I mean, Anakin had to be honest with the Jedi from the start, Palpy Knew he wasn't, so it helps him to corrupt easier.
Because he wasn't honest from the beginning, led him to the darkside, so it wasn't the Jedi's fault that Anakin wasn't truthful.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree...

I believe it is largely the Jedi's fault for Anakin's fall. Anakin couldn't be honest with the Jedi because if they found out about Anakin's marriage to Padme or his attachment to his mother they'd have ended his training. Anakin was told to basically do away with any and all feeling he has. Which he can't do since he was brought up with his living mother on Tatooine. So Anakin is forced to hide his relationship with Padme and his worries about his mother.

The Jedi learn from their mistake and instead of training Luke from birth they let him grow up with his family just as Anakin did. And in the end it is Luke's love (which he aquired from leading a normal life) for his sister that leads him to destroy Vader, and it's Anakin's love for his son that brings him back to the good side.

It was Anakins fault though, because he knew the Jedi teachings from the start, but he didn't obey them.

First, they didn't want to train him because of the fear of lose of his mother. But, Obiwan didn't have a choice because he promised Quigon on his death bed. So, not the Jedi's decision to train Anakin in the first place.

With Padme, Anakin was haunted by the kiss she should have never gave him, and he can not just wish his feelings away. Anakin knew he shouldn't according to the teachings, but again he failed to obey.

The Jedi had provided him with enough teachings but Anakin just didn't want it. As Palpy said "Dont be a pawn of the Jedi council".
Anakin was a man with choices, although they were hard choices, he still made them.

Anakin wanted Padme, to become great, seek more power (Jedi's do so according to Palpy), didn't want to hide anymore.

I can see what you mean by Anakin feeling that he can not trust the council. But in the beginning, Anakin made his choices that he knew the Jedi wouldn't approve.

I'm not really disagreeing with you, but I just think that it all comes down to the Jedi's silly beliefs about attachments etc.

It was the Jedi Council's decision to train Anakin. Yoda says to Obi-Wan "Agree with you, the Council does".

You are right. Anakin can't wish away his feelings for Padme. Which is kind of my point. Because he was brought up with his mother who taught him to love, Anakin is not able to just let go of his feelings. He failed to obey the Jedi because he couldn't obey them. And moreso, he failed to obey because the rules were stupid.

Palpatine encouraged these feelings Anakin had. The Sith were smart, unlike the Jedi. They didn't force Anakin to 'let go of everything he feared to lose'.

He had nothing else to do with his life. Plus he's probably old enough to retire, so maybe that's just what he did for his free time.

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
I'm not really disagreeing with you, but I just think that it all comes down to the Jedi's silly beliefs about attachments etc.

It was the Jedi Council's decision to train Anakin. Yoda says to Obi-Wan "Agree with you, the Council does".

You are right. Anakin can't wish away his feelings for Padme. Which is kind of my point. Because he was brought up with his mother who taught him to love, Anakin is not able to just let go of his feelings. He failed to obey the Jedi because he couldn't obey them. And moreso, he failed to obey because the rules were stupid.

Palpatine encouraged these feelings Anakin had. The Sith were smart, unlike the Jedi. They didn't force Anakin to 'let go of everything he feared to lose'.

that rule is there to keep the jedi from becoming too emotional. Basically that would lead to the darkside, as well seen with Anakin.
Great emotional connection = turning to the darkside. beliefs about not giving in to great emotional connection = beliefs about not giving in to the darkside.
You're saying beliefs about not giving in to great emotional connection = silly, therefore beliefs about not giving in to the darkside = silly. Wow....i'm sure glad you weren't on the Jedi Council 😄

It's all Qui-Gon's fault; he had to be a "dirty cop" and take that kid to the Jedi Temple. The Council, and even his by-the-book student told him the kid was dangerous but he didn't listen. Besides, who would bet a ship on a 9 year-old kid in a machine that can go mach 1? ( And the ship wasn't even his!, if "little Ani" lost the race, the fool would be in debted to Naboo for life,and eighty-sixed from the Jedi Order!)

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
It's all Qui-Gon's fault; he had to be a "dirty cop" and take that kid to the Jedi Temple. The Council, and even his by-the-book student told him the kid was dangerous but he didn't listen. Besides, who would bet a ship on a 9 year-old kid in a machine that can go mach 1? ( And the ship wasn't even his!, if "little Ani" lost the race, the fool would be in debted to Naboo for life,and eighty-sixed from the Jedi Order!)

that's right! the bastard! he was just an old fart that should've stayed in the Council and done NOTHING. Cause Sidious NEVER could've found somebody else! NO! Its all Qui Gon's fault indeed. i mean any jedi in their right mind would never help a slave boy with more midi-chlorians than yoda. You make perfect sense. And he was a loser too. I mean you GOTTA be a loser to teach yoda and consequently obi wan how to become one with the force. That bastard qui gon 😖hifty: [/sarcasm]

~wickerman~

jee, you guys are way off, nevermind

I thought people really know star wars on this forum

he realised he could rule the galaxy and be more powerful

man, shut up, nevermind, this sucks

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
I'm not really disagreeing with you, but I just think that it all comes down to the Jedi's silly beliefs about attachments etc.

It was the Jedi Council's decision to train Anakin. Yoda says to Obi-Wan "Agree with you, the Council does".

You are right. Anakin can't wish away his feelings for Padme. Which is kind of my point. Because he was brought up with his mother who taught him to love, Anakin is not able to just let go of his feelings. He failed to obey the Jedi because he couldn't obey them. And moreso, he failed to obey because the rules were stupid.

Palpatine encouraged these feelings Anakin had. The Sith were smart, unlike the Jedi. They didn't force Anakin to 'let go of everything he feared to lose'.

yes, Devil Dodo, I like u, your allright, but I disagree

first, the council never really agreed with Quigon, although, he was the first to be a force ghost and all, athough, we can never know if Anakin was the man....(balance of the force)

I really was kinda stress, that it occured in the beginning, Anakin made his choices even though he knew the Jedi Teachings.

Anakin knew the Jedi teaching, but the guy didn't want to go along with it( because of Palpatine that f**ker)

I really think Palpatine was cool and all, but.....
He really did f*** over Anakin, which makes me very mad

I dont think anyone mentioned it yet....one reason to go on is his hatred ....hatred feeds the darkside power.....his hatred of OBI-WAN......that was like the last words he spoke before becoming mech vader(other than ouch eww owwie etc...lol)...I HATE YOU! He knew Obi-Wan was alive somewhere and wanted badly to have his revenge... and for many years Im sure he hated Obi-Wan...not till after he struck him down did he ever consider that it wasnt Obi-Wans fault but Sids....that everything happened the way it did.....etc....somethin like that

Originally posted by Wickerman
that rule is there to keep the jedi from becoming too emotional. Basically that would lead to the darkside, as well seen with Anakin.
[b]Great emotional connection = turning to the darkside. beliefs about not giving in to great emotional connection = beliefs about not giving in to the darkside.
You're saying beliefs about not giving in to great emotional connection = silly, therefore beliefs about not giving in to the darkside = silly. Wow....i'm sure glad you weren't on the Jedi Council 😄 [/B]

Originally posted by Robin Darkside
yes, Devil Dodo, I like u, your allright, but I disagree

first, the council never really agreed with Quigon, although, he was the first to be a force ghost and all, athough, we can never know if Anakin was the man....(balance of the force)

I really was kinda stress, that it occured in the beginning, Anakin made his choices even though he knew the Jedi Teachings.

Anakin knew the Jedi teaching, but the guy didn't want to go along with it( because of Palpatine that f**ker)

I really think Palpatine was cool and all, but.....
He really did f*** over Anakin, which makes me very mad

This is why he was able to achieve imortality. Qui-Gon was by far the best Jedi. He followed the Force rather than following the code. This is also why Yoda submits himself to Qui-Gon's teachings at the end of Sith. Yoda realises that he was wrong - "Failed, I have" he says - but his failure is not merely the failure to defeat Sidious, but his failure to the Jedi Order.

Devil, you are right on. Yoda did mess up and it was the councils fault for the decline of the Republic. Like they said in EP II "our ability to use the force is deminished". They followed their own code instead of the force which led them away from what the force was supposed to be. Jack Daniels, you are right on as well. I started this thread to figure out why Vader didn't just commit suicide, but you had the right answer. Hate and revenge probably were his modivation.

I think it was Obi fault that Ana turned. All the way through he's using words like my young or my something else, this would grate after a while. Also I dont think he was ready to take on a Padewan.