Seriously... Luke got the worst lightning of anyone... he was flat out tortured by it for a lengthy period of time. If lightning deformed you (which Mace also got zapped insanely after that... he didn't turn into Michael Jackson 😄 ) then Luke should have really been messed up. They were all smoking yes... but not deformed. Only slightly burned. 😬
Firstly, the reason Mace didn't kill Palpatine right away is because the Dark Side was clouding his vision and his ability to make decisions. Samuel L. Jackson said this in the OFFICIAL magazine. In a better time, he would have just killed him.
And no, Palpatine wasn't faking, he got his arse kicked. People keep forgetting that the movie is about ANAKIN, so it has to be that Palpatine needed him. If Palpatine could have won on his own, then Anakin is no longer important, he's just a bystander. The movie is about Anakin, not Palpatine.
before i saw ep3, i was a firm believer that palps was all powerful.
but can it be any more obvious that palps has his ass handed to him?
now, when he started with that "im too weak...dont kill me...please", THAT was total bullsh!t. mace had him in a corner and could have killed him if it wasnt for anakin.
But Palpatine knew Anakin was coming. And he knew that he had to get in a vulnerable position in order to make it look like the Jedi were trying to take over.
I see no evidence that palps 'got his ass handed to him'. Though I have to admit there is really no evidence to support the contrary either...
That's how I see it anyway...
Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
But Palpatine knew Anakin was coming. And he knew that he had to get in a vulnerable position in order to make it look like the Jedi were trying to take over.I see no evidence that palps 'got his ass handed to him'. Though I have to admit there is really no evidence to support the contrary either...
That's how I see it anyway...
Yet i see no evidence as to when Palpatine knew Anakin was coming, OR that he HAD to get in a vulnerable position. Or maybe he went in that position because his Lightsaber just got kicked out of a window onto the Coruscant Streets.
Alot of people are also saying that "Palpatine called out to Anakin". Wow, i have never heard worse bullshit than that. There is NO proof to that. I mean, i would understand if they showed Palps calling out to Anakin with the force, but no evidence holds this theory above water.
And i think Palpatine wanted Mace out of the window the whole time. I mean, why not let Anakin kill him? You let him kill Dooku, your Apprentice, but you can't let Anakin kill a Jedi Master in which you hate? Palpatine did not want to show his true face quite yet. He wanted to fry Mace out of the window, but all went unsuccessful when Mace blocked the Lightning and revealed his true facial appearance...
Or let me guess....
"LOLZ PALPZ SH0CKED MACEZ L!GHTSAB3R ON PORPOISE 2 SHOW ANIKIN HIS TRUE FORM! LMAOZ!"
I don't think so, Dumbass. If Palpatine could make a mask hiding his true appearance, it would be just as easy to use the force to show his true appearance.
Palpatine was glad that Anakin cut Maces paws off and got revenge by handing him the final blow: Which was Lightning that sent him fifty feet out of an office window.
IMO!
Originally posted by LordSorgoI just said that there was no evidence of this. Did you even read my post?
Yet i see no evidence as to when Palpatine knew Anakin was coming, OR that he HAD to get in a vulnerable position. Or maybe he went in that position because his Lightsaber just got kicked out of a window onto the Coruscant Streets.
Originally posted by LordSorgoHow can people not get this? When Anakin is alone in the Council chambers he hears Palpatine say "You do know, if they destroy me any chance of saving her will be lost". How the hell do you think he was able to hear Palps saying that, through an intercom?
Alot of people are also saying that "Palpatine called out to Anakin". Wow, i have never heard worse bullshit than that. There is NO proof to that. I mean, i would understand if they showed Palps calling out to Anakin with the force, but no evidence holds this theory above water.
Originally posted by LordSorgoOf course Palpatine wanted Mace outta the window. Anakin didn't want to kill Mace he just didn't want Mace to kill Palpatine.
And i think Palpatine wanted Mace out of the window the whole time. I mean, why not let Anakin kill him? You let him kill Dooku, your Apprentice, but you can't let Anakin kill a Jedi Master in which you hate? Palpatine did not want to show his true face quite yet. He wanted to fry Mace out of the window, but all went unsuccessful when Mace blocked the Lightning and revealed his true facial appearance...
Originally posted by LordSorgoyup.
Palpatine was glad that Anakin cut Maces paws off and got revenge by handing him the final blow: Which was Lightning that sent him fifty feet out of an office window.
thats a very tricky scene which can be translated many ways.
i think (here is where i get flamed) that palps expected anakin to turn him in. notice he didnt even ask anakin to not turn him in, but rather begged him to learn the dark side. he WANTED the jedi to come and attempt to arrest him. how else would he justify the jedi purge to the senate? 'assassination attempt', thats how.
but from the OT we learn palps' weakness...his overconfidence. i think he expected to wipe all 4 jedi out, but was bested by mace. fortune smiled on him however, since anakin showed up just in time to save him. i think palps set up that possability, but i cant see how he would have forseen the exact event.
i think in that scene it was all up in the air, and palps got lucky.
Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
How can people not get this? When Anakin is alone in the Council chambers he hears Palpatine say "You do know, if they destroy me any chance of saving her will be lost". How the hell do you think he was able to hear Palps saying that, through an intercom?
from memory of their conversation, with dialogue after the scene cut...but i guess it is POSSIBLE that he was communicating to him....neither is proven, so its all opinion
I dunno... it seemed like that conversation was at an end. But yeah, it's all opinion. The whole scene is a matter of opinion I think...
I think Palpatine was definitely overconfident, like you said...
But I think it was all in Palpatine's plan though... but it just didn't play out exactly as he expected. But it ended how he planned... so I definitely wouldn't say palps just got lucky.
i meant that he got lucky since anakin showed up a moment before mace was about to realise that he had to kill palps. it was a gamble. when he was bested he HOPED that it would turn out that way, but i dont think his plan depended on it. i think he would have killed mace if given the chance, but anakin was more or less his insurance.
I am so tired of this debate I am contemplating a turn to the DS myself... (DD you know what I mean 😆 )
Palps wanted to reveal his true appearance to Anakin in a way that made it look like Mace had disfigured him. If Palps showed Anakin his true appearance without the pretense of Windu disfiguring him Anakin would be like crap... you are an evil son of a ***** aren't you!! You've been pretending to be this other person all along...
Ian McDiarmids performance is the key to all of this... it is SOOO over the top... "I am too weak... don't kill me... please... " In fact, to be honest with you, I think he was kind of shocked Anakin actually bought the bs he was spilling forth.
And yes, Palps did call to Anakin in the Jedi temple. Remember, powerful force users ARE telepathic. Remember Luke calling to Leia? Or Vader calling to Luke? Surely Vader and Palps could communicate telepathically also.
Palpatine may have genuinely been disarmed by Mace (unintentionally). But if he had not sensed confusion in Mace Windu (knowing that there was time to play) and sensed Anakin racing over to save him, he would have no doubt unloaded much more powerfully on Windu in the same way he did Yoda! Lightsaber or not, Sidious' lightning blasts are so powerful they can send you flying across the room or knock the lightsaber out of your hand.
Palpatine had to shock Mace for several reasons... to reveal his appearance and to reveal to Anakin that he truly DID know the darkside power. Anakin had never witnessed Palpatine use the darkside before. Palpatine even says so to Anakin, "I have the power to save the ones you love."
The climax to all of this and the finishing touch on it is when Palpatine jumps to life in a blaze of raw power and energy so violent and extreme(not drained or weakened like he pretended to be) that it throws Windu out the window.
POWER... UNLIMITED POWER!!!!!!
Originally posted by DarkYoda
I am so tired of this debate I am contemplating a turn to the DS myself... (DD you know what I mean 😆 )Palps wanted to reveal his true appearance to Anakin in a way that made it look like Mace had disfigured him. If Palps showed Anakin his true appearance without the pretense of Windu disfiguring him Anakin would be like crap... you are an evil son of a ***** aren't you!! You've been pretending to be this other person all along...
Ian McDiarmids performance is the key to all of this... it is SOOO over the top... "I am too weak... don't kill me... please... " In fact, to be honest with you, I think he was kind of shocked Anakin actually bought the bs he was spilling forth.
And yes, Palps did call to Anakin in the Jedi temple. Remember, powerful force users ARE telepathic. Remember Luke calling to Leia? Or Vader calling to Luke? Surely Vader and Palps could communicate telepathically also.
Palpatine may have genuinely been disarmed by Mace (unintentionally). But if he had not sensed confusion in Mace Windu (knowing that there was time to play) and sensed Anakin racing over to save him, he would have no doubt unloaded much more powerfully on Windu in the same way he did Yoda! Lightsaber or not, Sidious' lightning blasts are so powerful they can send you flying across the room or knock the lightsaber out of your hand.
Palpatine had to shock Mace for several reasons... to reveal his appearance and to reveal to Anakin that he truly DID know the darkside power. Anakin had never witnessed Palpatine use the darkside before. Palpatine even says so to Anakin, "I have the power to save the ones you love."
The climax to all of this and the finishing touch on it is when Palpatine jumps to life in a blaze of raw power and energy so violent and extreme(not drained or weakened like he pretended to be) that it throws Windu out the window.
POWER... UNLIMITED POWER!!!!!!
Agree with everything! Now, lets never speak of this again 😉
Originally posted by DarkYoda
I am so tired of this debate I am contemplating a turn to the DS myself... (DD you know what I mean 😆 )Palps wanted to reveal his true appearance to Anakin in a way that made it look like Mace had disfigured him. If Palps showed Anakin his true appearance without the pretense of Windu disfiguring him Anakin would be like crap... you are an evil son of a ***** aren't you!! You've been pretending to be this other person all along...
Ian McDiarmids performance is the key to all of this... it is SOOO over the top... "I am too weak... don't kill me... please... " In fact, to be honest with you, I think he was kind of shocked Anakin actually bought the bs he was spilling forth.
And yes, Palps did call to Anakin in the Jedi temple. Remember, powerful force users ARE telepathic. Remember Luke calling to Leia? Or Vader calling to Luke? Surely Vader and Palps could communicate telepathically also.
Palpatine may have genuinely been disarmed by Mace (unintentionally). But if he had not sensed confusion in Mace Windu (knowing that there was time to play) and sensed Anakin racing over to save him, he would have no doubt unloaded much more powerfully on Windu in the same way he did Yoda! Lightsaber or not, Sidious' lightning blasts are so powerful they can send you flying across the room or knock the lightsaber out of your hand.
Palpatine had to shock Mace for several reasons... to reveal his appearance and to reveal to Anakin that he truly DID know the darkside power. Anakin had never witnessed Palpatine use the darkside before. Palpatine even says so to Anakin, "I have the power to save the ones you love."
The climax to all of this and the finishing touch on it is when Palpatine jumps to life in a blaze of raw power and energy so violent and extreme(not drained or weakened like he pretended to be) that it throws Windu out the window.
POWER... UNLIMITED POWER!!!!!!
Palpatine also needed Anakin to save him so he could explain how he survived the attack by the jedi. Anakin saved him. Otherwise, how does an old man defeat 4 jedi? Lots of explaining to do I think! 🙄
Didn't read anything of it, lets never speak of this again 😉
Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
I just said that there was no evidence of this. Did you even read my post?How can people not get this? When Anakin is alone in the Council chambers he hears Palpatine say "You do know, if they destroy me any chance of saving her will be lost". How the hell do you think he was able to hear Palps saying that, through an intercom?
Of course Palpatine wanted Mace outta the window. Anakin didn't want to kill Mace he just didn't want Mace to kill Palpatine.
yup.
ourse Palpatine wanted Mace outta the window. Anakin didn't want to kill Mace he just didn't want Mace to kill Palpatine.
bullshit. He didn't give a fock. He was a spoiled, selfish brat.
Originally posted by LordSorgo
ourse Palpatine wanted Mace outta the window. Anakin didn't want to kill Mace he just didn't want Mace to kill Palpatine.bullshit. He didn't give a fock. He was a spoiled, selfish brat.
This topic has been discussed to death and it seems we just keep going round in circles...
I've made my opinions clear (well, DY made them clear for me 😄), so I will not discuss it anymore
Originally posted by Bardock42
I agree that Anakin was a little brat, but he surely didn't kill Mace for the fun of killing Mace...not at that point.
Anakin didn't kill Mace. 🤨
Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
I have officially lost any respect I still had for you.This topic has been discussed to death and it seems we just keep going round in circles...
I've made my opinions clear (well, DY made them clear for me 😄), so I will not discuss it anymore
And yes I agree. Let's not discuss anymore. It's clear to me... I'm sorry it's not clear for everyone else. I laugh at everyone! 😆