Who can beat Namor, the Sub-Mariner, under Water?

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Well yeah, i normally don't bring that up in Namor vs. Aquaman debates because it just ends up going back and forth forever.

Realistically, Aquaman's TP is a alot stronger these days and it would definately play a big factor in him beating Namor.

He did knock a whole heap of Atlanteans out with it in the JLA/Avengers crossover which also effected Namor. But that ain't considered cannon so...

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Well yeah, i normally don't bring that up in Namor vs. Aquaman debates because it just ends up going back and forth forever.

Realistically, Aquaman's TP is a alot stronger these days and it would definately play a big factor in him beating Namor.

He did knock a whole heap of Atlanteans out with it in the JLA/Avengers crossover which also effected Namor. But that ain't considered cannon so...

It only gave Namor an headache.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
It only gave Namor an headache.

Originally posted by Juntai
That was also pre-upgrade Arthur. He now has a magic hand and his telepathy is apperently on Martian Manhunter's level, though not with the same scope, in effect only.. as we've seen Jonn touch every mind on the planet.. We've only seen Arthur that broad in the underwater setting with his sea-creatures... but there is no doubt that his telepathy is a whole different level than it was. His strength was also increased substatially.

beware the magically aqua hand of Aquaman!!!!!!

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
It only gave Namor an headache.

"That was also pre-upgrade Arthur. He now has a magic hand and his telepathy is apperently on Martian Manhunter's level, though not with the same scope"

It was the current version with the upgrade.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Well yeah, but he wasn't trying to effect Namor. I imagine if he concentrated the same amount of power that he used to k.o. all those atlanteans on Namor, it would do a great deal more.

He was trying to effect all aquatic life. Plus he wasnt even part of the immediate battle. Hed need a great deal of concentration to ko Namor and he wouldnt get it if they were to fight each other. Namor beats him.

Originally posted by jrodslam
He was trying to effect all aquatic life. Plus he wasnt even part of the immediate battle. Hed need a great deal of concentration to ko Namor and he wouldnt get it if they were to fight each other. Namor beats him.

Anyway, his TP can definately effect Namor, and it is quite powerful these days. He's managed to probe MM's mind without him knowing it. And was going toe to toe with Despero recently. Aquaman is very strong, and i'm not saying it would be easy, but he would beat Namor more often than not underwater.

IMO

Originally posted by olympian
"That was also pre-upgrade Arthur. He now has a magic hand and his telepathy is apperently on Martian Manhunter's level, though not with the same scope"

It was the current version with the upgrade.

Has anyone mentioned Hydroman from the spiderman series, he becomes the water and the more water he has the more powerful he becomes so yeah I think he's give namor a serious run for his money.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
He's managed to probe MM's mind without him knowing it. And was going toe to toe with Despero recently. Aquaman is very strong, and i'm not saying it would be easy, but he would beat Namor more often than not underwater.

IMO

I don't remember when he did that, what issue was this? and yeah he was badass in that fight "MAKE....HIM...BLEED"

Originally posted by Juntai
No it wasn't, no blue see through magic hand.

I think Aquaman would win, but it was his magical hand he was using in Avengers/JLA #4. It just wasn't colored blue.

.....Actually it could have been his metallic hook that could transform into a real hand, but I don't recall him where his trademark orange and green clothes when he had it.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
I don't remember it said anywhere that he was trying to effect all aquatic life.

Anyway, his TP can definately effect Namor, and it is quite powerful these days. He's managed to probe MM's mind without him knowing it. And was going toe to toe with Despero recently. Aquaman is very strong, and i'm not saying it would be easy, but he would beat Namor more often than not underwater.

IMO

Namor has so many off powers that it is not sure if his telepathy would work on him...he has psychic powers himself, he can, for example see astral forms.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I don't remember when he did that, what issue was this? and yeah he was badass in that fight "MAKE....HIM...BLEED"

Namor has so many off powers that it is not sure if his telepathy would work on him...he has psychic powers himself, he can, for example see astral forms.

Originally posted by Betageuze
who can beat him under water ?

Flipper!

(apparently he's faster than lightning, under the sea)

They call him Flipper, Flipper, faster than lightning, - (much faster than Namor)
No one you see, is smarter than he, - (including Doom or Namor)
And we know Flipper, lives in a world full of wonder, - (um.... ok)
Flying there under, under the sea! - (and he can FLY)

Everyone loves the king of the sea, - (Namor.... or Flipper?)
Ever so kind and gentle is he, - (ok... so he's not exactly bloodthirsty)
Tricks he will do when children appear, - (just like Batman)
And how they laugh when he's near! - (just like Robin)

They call him Flipper, Flipper, faster than lightning, - (really, really fast)
No-one you see, is smarter than he, - (especially not YOU!)
And we know Flipper, lives in a world full of wonder, - (and seal piss)
Flying there-under, under the sea! - (we already covered this)

Namor may have a slight strength advantage.... but speed and intelligence definitely go to Flipper!

Originally posted by Scoobless
Flipper!

(apparently he's faster than lightning, under the sea)

They call him Flipper, Flipper, faster than lightning, - (much faster than Namor)
No one you see, is smarter than he, - (including Doom or Namor)
And we know Flipper, lives in a world full of wonder, - (um.... ok)
Flying there under, under the sea! - (and he can FLY)

Everyone loves the king of the sea, - (Namor.... or Flipper?)
Ever so kind and gentle is he, - (ok... so he's not exactly bloodthirsty)
Tricks he will do when children appear, - (just like Batman)
And how they laugh when he's near! - (just like Robin)

They call him Flipper, Flipper, faster than lightning, - (really, really fast)
No-one you see, is smarter than he, - (especially not YOU!)
And we know Flipper, lives in a world full of wonder, - (and seal piss)
Flying there-under, under the sea! - (we already covered this)

Namor may have a slight strength advantage.... but speed and intelligence definitely go to Flipper!

iceman and tempest....

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
I don't remember it said anywhere that he was trying to effect all aquatic life.

He was targeting all "ocean life" good guys included. It wasnt just for the villains because even Marrina was knocked out.

Well, he says "i have... a measure of control over Ocena life"..

I take that as him explaining his power, and not who he's targeting. Really, he doesn't say who he was, or wasn't targeting. So we don't really know...

Everyone in the fight was ocean life except Plastic Man, Beast, Steel, and the female in the yellow and green.

Aquaman was targeting everyone who was of ocean life. Period. Marrina got knocked out and Namor got a headache. He was targeting everyone(ocean life) in the area. We do know exactly.

I guess, i dunno. I originally just took it as him explaining his power, but your explanation is plausible aswell.

Anyway, my point was that if he concentrated the amount of TP power that he used to knock everyone out, completely on Namor, it would do a great deal more than just a headache...