Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Outdated for characters who are featured regularly in comics and have changes to their abilities. For example it would be outdated for the likes of she-hulk and and emma frost and so on. Who have their own very recent comic series or are a part of a current or recent series. Namor is not in either of those situations. Just because he has kept up with Human Torch doesnt mean that he can fly at faster than the stated 60 mph. Who is to say HT was flying at his max speed? Thats doubtful that would be the case especially for the duration of a fight and especially if they were fighting in a city. It has yet to be officially stated that Namor can lift in excess of the 85 tons he is known for. Until that is the case you just have to accept it. If he lifted the oil tanker while in the water then it was probably the buoyancy which aided him.
The tankers and submarines would still probably weigh more then 100 tons, even if they were on the water.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Well, he can live underwater, but he needs oxygen...but I think he can hold his breath long enough to take out Storm.
Hes not fast enough to attack storm before she restrains him and takes him out. 60 mph is poor. Namors strong and all but hes officially in the 75 tons to 100 tons range, with most previous bios putting him at class 85. Meaning that at a push when enraged he could possibly lift 100 tons under optimal conditions. Namor is not class 100. He has limited durability and can be taken out by storm. Hes no match for her in the air.
Namor feats:
#118. Namor soundly defeated the Hulk, by knockout, in a huge underwater collision. Hulk was knocked from Atlantis all the way to the mainland shore where he laid unconscious and then reverted back to Banner. Namor was rocked but never lost consciousness. Off the top of my head these are some of Namor's best feats. In no particular order they are:1)Namor carried a 50 ton anchor, with one arm while flying in the air.
2)Namor lifted a huge portion of an undersea mountain that Orka's whales dropped on him.
3)Lifted an oil tanker that weighed in excess of 110,000 tons.
4)Lifted a sub-marine from the bottom of the sea and placed it safely on shore.
5)Lifted a 2,000 ton destroyer and slammed it into Attuma.
6)Namor can absorb millions of volts of electricity and use it as a weapon by throwing it at his opponents.
6)Namor can see and find invisible objects because he posseses the powers of the blind cave fish that has a radar sense.
7)Survived unharmed, in a fall from space after battling the Stalkers.
8)Namor took a direct head shot from Thor's hammer which only made him madder.
9)Was only minorly stunned when Krang's fision bomb exploded while Namor was holding it. This is equivalent to a small nuke.
10)Namor drilled through miles of sea rock by spinning his body at tremendous speed.
11)Namor has created great tidal waves. In one TTA #100 he wiped out an entire island and the Hulk along with it.
12) While being held by Magneto's power Namor slammed his fists so hard to the ground that the earth quaked for hundred's of miles.
13) Namor, as are all Atlanteas, is totally impervious to the affects of radiation.
These are just a few that come to mind. There are many more. Remember, Namor only uses his natural birthed hybrid strength. He needs no cosmic or gamma rays, no armor, no weapons or hammers. It's just his Atlantean-human blood, muscle, and bone!
A few nights ago on television they put up a virtual battle pitting a Polar Bear against a Walrus. It was unanimous that on land the Polar Bear was more vicious and more powerful than the Walrus. But, the Walrus pulled the Bear into the water, it's own natural element, and killed the bear. It was acknowledged that not only was the Walrus stronger, faster, and more agile in the water but the Bears strength and power was not as affective. Had the Bear kept the Walrus on land the Bear would've killed the Walrus by wearing him down and keeping him out of his element. This the Hulk needs to learn. Hulk has done many more impressive feats than Namor except when they battle in the water, it's Namor's element, and Hulk is second best.
My point? The Hulk is the Polar Bear and Namor is the Walrus(All respects to John Lennon)
I still believe that Namor wins.
He can survive in enormous waves on the sea and walk in the bottom of under the miles of water. And, him being in the Class 100 category, I don't see winds pinning him down. Electrity doesn't affect him. I don't think that any objects that Storm can throw at him will pierce him.
I think he will reach Storm and then kill him. Especially when he is pissed off.
I dont see any attack that Storn can do thats gonna beat Namor. Your best arguement was throw heavy piercing objects at him? Like Namor wond be able to dodge them? How long can Storn even do all that without exhausting herself?
And doesnt she still have that claustraphobia problem? Another thing i notice with storm is that she cant absorb lightning. She is indeed affected by it. Most likely she wont know about Namors ability to absorb lightning. Once she shoots it and its re-directed shes gets k.o'd.
Someone mentioned Torch's flight speed at around 150 and Namor kept up with him. You stated that Torch probably wasnt flying at top speed. But then again you say, Storm held down Emma Frost who is cl 50 in doamond form. How do you know that Emma was using her top strength?
If you say Torch wasnt flying at top speeds, then I could easily say that Emma wasnt fighting at 50 cl.
We dont even know Storms flight speed. When you say she flew over 300 mph, that could have been in under optimal conditioins as well.
flying 300, isn't much of a feat at all for storm lol. anybody that knows storm, and knows about the weather would know that the weather by itself can easily go over 300 mph. storm has traveled the entire us in minutes, and has easily gone mach 3 before. and namor needs to breath, so she suffocates him. and storm is almost immune to the affects of the weather, and that includes electricity
Originally posted by stormfront13
flying 300, isn't much of a feat at all for storm lol. anybody that knows storm, and knows about the weather would know that the weather by itself can easily go over 300 mph. storm has traveled the entire us in minutes, and has easily gone mach 3 before. and namor needs to breath, so she suffocates him. and storm is almost immune to the affects of the weather, and that includes electricity
Namor is strong enough to hold his breath and survive, even if she triess to suffocate him. And how does she do this suffocating?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor feats:I still believe that Namor wins.
He can survive in enormous waves on the sea and walk in the bottom of under the miles of water. And, him being in the Class 100 category, I don't see winds pinning him down. Electrity doesn't affect him. I don't think that any objects that Storm can throw at him will pierce him.
I think he will reach Storm and then kill him. Especially when he is pissed off.
Yet Namor is still only a 6 in the official marvel ratings. He can lift 100 tons under optimal conditions and when enraged. That post hasnt really changed anything. All of those lifting feats were aided by buoyancy. The hulk would struggle to do those feats if they were on dry land. Namor is nowhere near an angry hulks strength. He has only defeated him in his element. Thing and Namor are known to be equals in terms of strength. Thing like Namor is still class 85. Thats not debatable. Namors durability is classed as limited superhuman durability. The fact that he can withstand ocean depths is more to do with his amphibian physiology than his durability. Theres fish who can withstand ocean depths whereas a elephants body probably wouldnt be able to ake it becase it isnt made for thatenvironment, yet you wouldnt say a fish is more durable than an elephant would you. You wouldnt say your average fish is more durable than just a human would you? A human would get crushed by the ocean depths.
In hurricane force winds as is common knowledge (and as has been presesnted on these forums in arguments many a time) straw and grass can penetrate concrete. Riptides projectiles propelled by strong winds piereced collossus' armour and left him hospitalised. Storms winds which are far stronger than riptides could not only restrain namor, but could propel things with enough force to pierce namors flesh. A blunt object propelled by hurricane force winds would knock him out.
she creates a vaccum or something idk excatley, but she managed to do it to magneto while he was attacking her with his powers as well as avoiding colossus who was being used as a battering ram by magneto. she has also done it to phoenix a while back. yeah, he won't be able to fight his best w/out being able to breath
Namors only way of getting to storm is through the air. In the air he can travel at only 60mph. He is no match for storm in the air, knowing of his superhuman strength and aggressive tendencies, storm would and could turn the skies against him and restrain him. With ease storm has restrained emma in her class 50 diamond form and threatened to shatter with a metal pole propelled by her winds. Namor at a push and under optimal conditions can press nearly 100 tons, however generally he is class 85. Restraining him with winds is well within storms capabilities is she can retrain a class 50 with no effort at all. A projectile depending on it being sharp or blunt will either pierce namores flesh or knock him out. Namor would not be allowed the oppurtunity of getting close to storm. He wouldnt be fast enough also. Storm would take him down. Against storm, Rogue would be more of a challenge.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And Namor has also fought Thor who is GOD of storms. He has also took on Avengers and defeated Hulk with pure physical force.
But Thor relies more on his physical prowess than his control over the storm when in battle. Controlling the weather is storms primary ability and the one she focuses on. Thor never uses his weather powers in the same ways as storm. He certainly never used winds to try and restrain him, or created a vacuum to make it hard for him to breathe.