he is
He has succesefull fough thor like no other except the hulk and if you count his myth feats, they are above namor´s
Sure the difference isent by much, its not like herc is twice as strong as he. But he is better in strenght
captain marvel combining powers doesnt spell much of superiority, he doesnt have the full power and strengh of any of his patrons, heracles included.
Lets not forget that in the myths not only he held up the heavens ( uranos ) he also separated continents. And at marvel ( and dc ) has moved and lifted entire islands as well.
Its not much, but he is slighty stronger than wet namor. ( while both being in the same class of strengh tho ).
According to Marvel Encyc...Namor is in the 75-100 ton strength level...however, Captain Marvel is beyond that...not only that Captain Marvel has a higher skill level in fighting too...the only reason Namor has a chance is because of his heart...but when it's all said and done, Marvel will be left standing up.
Hi Shaolin
Namor is seriously underrated in comics, i give him that. But Heracles is overall better if not slighty. There is one thing i didnt agreed tho.
I dont consider Captain marvel all that skilled. Sure he has the gods telling him what to do but how many times did he showed he had it? Only against superman and in war of the gods where Wonder Woman fought him.
Im not saying he isent skilled. But he lacks the experience in using it. And that Namor has in spades.
I give the win to marvel, he has more ways to win, and unlike heracles he isent immortal to keep on going with the fight. We already saw what happens with Namor outside of the water, he gets weaker. Thats a flaw to exploit.
Now if the submariner takes the fight underwater right from the start i give him the nod.
Olympian....You are absolutely correct...If Marvel takes the fight outside of water then we can forget about it...the longer the fight outside the water, the more advantage Marvel have...so just for that fact, I'll give it to marvel...I don't think he is stupid enough to fight Namor in water...that's just giving away a lot of advantages.
Both are great characters. I feel Namor is a bit underrated. He does have one of the best tracks against Hulk. Even better than Herc and Thor.
Figthing underwater and having the strengh he has its a win for him. We already seen ( and i am a huge Herc fan ) having the upperhand against herc always underwater.
So yeah marvel wins if he doesnt decide to take a shower 😉
The reason I stated before that Namor wins, is because hes been said to be Herc's equal while on land, and his superior in the water. As shown before.
That was my reason for saying that if CM doesnt combine powers, Namor wins. Especially being fresh out of water. Marvel would have the speed advantage, and a slight durability advantage though. All-in-all, it would be a good fight.
Equal than herc on land? Wouldnt that be fresh out of water? At time goes by Namor gets weaker. Thats why in theyr bouts on land Herc usually had the advantage.
Namor fresh out of water figthing on land means, hes still wet. So yeah hes equal to Herc but not for long.
Now superior? hmmmm no. What i get from his stories is that on land he gets weaker and its a top of the top while wet.
the key word being " wet ". You can still be wet while in land 😉
You make it seem as if Namor gets weaker after a few minutes on land. Hes now to the point where he can remain on land for hours before he even starts to lose strength.
The one fight they did have on land, Namor wasnt fresh out of the water, and Hercules did not have an advantage. They were stalemated pretty much.
When they did fight in the water however, Namor clearly had the upper hand.
True you can be on land while still wet, but in Avengers 262, Namor wasnt just out of water. He was on land for some time, and didnt get weaker to the point where Herc was stronger than him.
Namor doesnt get weak minutes or seconds out of water. I concead that. He will get weak eventually. Thats where his strengh wont be equal to Heracles. Take the fight against savage Hulk against the avengers. Namor after a time couldnt do much.
Do you have the scans of that figth? (avengers 262) that was with both Stern and Buscema right? Because if it is Namor did falled in the water after sent flying by a punch of Herc. Before that Herc had the advantage of more hits (2-1 of his favor ).
And again im not saying Heracles is head and shoulders above Namor. Neither Thor is or regular Hulk. Its just that being out of water is a weakness he cant afford to keep for a certain period of time.
Okay, first thing's first. We need an idea of how much Superman can lift to accureately judge CM's strength (someone said he was at 90% of Supes). Well, if you know Draco69, you know he is a huge DC supporter, and the link I'm posting is the one he uses often in debates involving Wonder Woman, so that should assure you that this page is pretty accurate. http://www.starnet-database.com/dbase_deo/profiles/superman/superman.html
I quote:
Super Strength: He can lift incredible weights and objects and not have them collaspe under their own weight, indicating a powerful form of telekinesis that surrounds the object protecting it from outside stresses. The upper limit to his physical strength is not known but with the telekinetic lifting capabilities possessed by Superman, he could conceivably lift objects weighing 100,000 tons or more. It is conceivable that he could lift more if he was completely powered and using all of his stored energies.
So, assuming you accept the estimate that CM is 90% of Supe's strength (and some seem to think he's not even that strong without more than Hercules' strength), we have CM "conceivably" at 90,000 tons.
I think that puts things in a new light, when you recognize that Namor has stalemated and gotten the better of a man who can tow the island of Manhattan by a chain and has a very good record against the Hulk, who has countless extreme strength feats.
With weeks of soak time, and having just stepped out of the water, and CM bieng limited to only accesing the strength of Hercules, I definitely see Namor taking 6-7 fights out of ten.
Captain marvel doesnt have the full strengh of hercules. Thats why the power of Zeus he has, "powers" up the rest to top level.
Namor so far has gotten the better against Hercules on water. On land he has a sligthy advantage. On both fights they had. Also dont forget that on water herc has a feat that Namor was not managing to do. ( a durability one )
On land he starts as strong but he doesnt last long with that kind of power. Thats why he had problems with battling Thing, Hulk and She Hulk after staying some time out of it.
Namor chances are : Staying or bringing the figth into the water and use his superior skills and experience.
If he decides to let captain marvel play him like he does to supes ( using ligthing, speed, sucker shots ) hes not going to be the winner.