Terrorism has a lot to do with religion. Religious conquest was part of the reason for the cruades, but not all. It was a plantant pert of the inquizition/which trials/modern day stuff. It played part of a role in 9-11, but it was mostly the bastardization of the Middle East by the US.
On Islam though, there is one thing that I am eternally grateful for. When the Western Roman empire collapsed, and Europe fell into darkness, it was the Islamic empire that took over the cultural and scientific development of the time. (I believe this was also part of the reason why Islam spread so quickly during this time) Thier advances in medicine, astronomy, navigation, literature, music, and science/culture/art in general kept safe and expanded on the work of the Classic cultures. It was their brilliance that triggered the Reniassance in Europe and restored some intelligent thought and culture to a very VERY dark (and stupid) Christian land. They protected intelligence fro the dark age grip on Europe. Therefore, I shall always be grateful for that.
Originally posted by Alliance
Terrorism has a lot to do with religion. Religious conquest was part of the reason for the cruades, but not all. It was a plantant pert of the inquizition/which trials/modern day stuff. It played part of a role in 9-11, but it was mostly the bastardization of the Middle East by the US.
But the only connection between 9/11 and Islam I see is that Terrorists were calling themselvs muslims but it doesn't mean that religion it self has something in common with terrorism or vialance. Millions of people all over the world make crimes and it has nothing to do with their beliefs. Those basterds that took part in 9/11 were NOT muslims, they only thought they were because no muslim that really believes in what Koran says would kill thousand of innoscent people.
Originally posted by DigiMark007Christianity is a slave religion, but so is Islam, its like picking the lesser of 2 evils, its an oximoron, being muslim is no better than being christian, you both have slaved and killed people in the name of "alah/god" and that is fact.
Must be a strict Christian denomination you're in there.Most mainstream Christians (and most mainstream Muslims for that matter) don't condemn any other religions. It is the more extreme sects of these religions that begin to see theirs as the 'only' way.
Incidentally, the Koran mentions Allah's love for us something like 10 times more often than it mentions jihad or any sort of violence (at one point I knew the exact numbers but have forgotten). It's really a much more peaceful religion than popular conception would have us believe. It's just the extreme divisions of it that make the news, so our views are biased toward that outlook.
If your church blatently condemned Muslims, I'd run the other way. Or, even better, confront them and ask them to justify their claims and hopefully expand their minds a bit.
-DM
Originally posted by King KAM
Christianity is a slave religion, but so is Islam, its like picking the lesser of 2 evils, its an oximoron, being muslim is no better than being christian, you both have slaved and killed people in the name of "alah/god" and that is fact.
That's what you heard on TV. Whoever killed somebody would've done it even if he was atheist so religion is NOT the reason of his duties unless he is a crazy fanatic who really believs that he does it in the name of God and still it wouldn't be religion's falt but falt of the fanatic. No real muslim would ever kill anybody in the name of God.
Originally posted by Sam Z
But the only connection between 9/11 and Islam I see is that Terrorists were calling themselvs muslims but it doesn't mean that religion it self has something in common with terrorism or vialance. Millions of people all over the world make crimes and it has nothing to do with their beliefs. Those basterds that took part in 9/11 were NOT muslims, they only thought they were because no muslim that really believes in what Koran says would kill thousand of innoscent people.
Classic distancing. You cannot just lop of a section of practicioners in this case militant-fundamentalist Muslims and say they don't exist. All religions have extremist wings. They gain power and rise and fall with time. That doesn't mean they don't exist. The attacks were mostly political, but they have very religious undertones and they are certainly not wrong in having them.
Originally posted by Alliance
Classic distancing. You cannot just lop of a section of practicioners in this case militant-fundamentalist Muslims and say they don't exist. All religions have extremist wings. They gain power and rise and fall with time. That doesn't mean they don't exist. The attacks were mostly political, but they have very religious undertones and they are certainly not wrong in having them.
Let's look at it that way. They are terrorists that believe in Allah. They make terracts but the thing is that they would've made that even if they didn't believed in Allah. By your logic one may say that Buddhism aproves killing million of people because Hitler was buddhist (I'm not sure but i heard he was). But again you can't blame religion for some fanatics that got everything wrong and really believe they do something good.
I seriously dont believe Hitler was buddhist.
I don't, by any means, BLAME Islam for any terrorism. (other people might be). As you know I have great respect for Islam. I am simply stating that Terrorists USE Islam as a rationale for their militarism. Its certainly not the fault of the religion or its everyday practicioners.
Religions are easily accessible to fanatics, it simpyl is the nature of religion.
Originally posted by Alliance
I seriously dont believe Hitler was buddhist.I don't, by any means, BLAME Islam for any terrorism. (other people might be). As you know I have great respect for Islam. I am simply stating that Terrorists USE Islam as a rationale for their militarism. Its certainly not the fault of the religion or its everyday practicioners.
Religions are easily accessible to fanatics, it simpyl is the nature of religion.
May be he wasn't, there were many theories about his religion.
Then I must've misunderstood your post, I totally agree, religions are accessible to fanatics.
Originally posted by Sam Zconsidering these muslims did this before christ even exisited i would say that they were pretty real muslims, "the higher power" doesnt kill anyone, but religions do, religions are cults, cults are gangs, and yes islam has blood on is hands just as christianity, they have both lead, "holy" wars.
That's what you heard on TV. Whoever killed somebody would've done it even if he was atheist so religion is NOT the reason of his duties unless he is a crazy fanatic who really believs that he does it in the name of God and still it wouldn't be religion's falt but falt of the fanatic. No real muslim would ever kill anybody in the name of God.
Originally posted by King KAM
considering these muslims did this before christ even exisited i would say that they were pretty real muslims, "the higher power" doesnt kill anyone, but religions do, religions are cults, cults are gangs, and yes islam has blood on is hands just as christianity, they have both lead, "holy" wars.
WTF?! There were no muslims before christ existed. Christianity is older than Islam. Tell me, when EVER islam aproved terrorism? You can't blame religion for the crimes people do coz they would've done these crimes anyway no matter if they believe in God or not.