How is islam any worse than us

Originally posted by black_goku#1
ok i am a christian, or was until my church said that muslims were going to burn in hell for serving the wrong lord and not believing in jesus. i have to disagree because they do believe in the one all powerful god. they were brought up differnt and view it differnt but still praise god. what makes us christians so special or so right as to believe our way of worship is the only right way?

Grow up and become a real Christian. There's certain truths you have to accept if you want to be involved in a certain religion. Getting mad at the church for teaching something in the Bible is ludicrous. Im not saying they're right in speaking harshly against non-believers but thats what your Bible says. You shouldn't be saying whats so great about us and they way we worship. If you where a real Christian and not just part of a religion you would know what is so great about worshipping the only true God. Many religions worship one God but if you where a real Christian you would understand that you worship the only true God and that alone would let you know why you are special and right.

Originally posted by Punker69
Grow up and become a real Christian.

Oh this is gonna be good.
<sits and waits>

and Punker, I don't think you could be more wrong.

Grow up and become a real Christian.

Like You? That's a terrifying thought. What is a REAL Christian anyway? One who blindly follows the Bible word for word, one who only listens to thier Church, or one who tries to spread TRUE LOVE to everyone else?

You seem to forget God's gift to us all....Free Will

There's certain truths you have to accept if you want to be involved in a certain religion.

Untrue. Tons of Christians disregard much of the Bible. Accepting "certain truths" limits one's view of the world, because your idea of accepting one truth is disregarding ALL OTHER TRUTHS.....

Getting mad at the church for teaching something in the Bible is ludicrous.

If the teaching encourages Death, violence, discrimination or a violation of Free Will.....then no, its perfectly FINE to protest.

You shouldn't be saying whats so great about us and they way we worship.

WHAT IS SO GREAT about you and the way you worship. You conservative Christians LOVE to create limits and bar people from certain freedoms when given the chance. You love telling people how they have to live thier lives.....why dont you USE ur time more properly by fighting poverty, war, drugs and violence in general ?????

If you where a real Christian and not just part of a religion you would know what is so great about worshipping the only true God.

Are not all religious people just part of a religion ? Again, what to you is he definition of a REAL CHRISTIAN ?

Many religions worship one God but if you where a real Christian you would understand that you worship the only true God and that alone would let you know why you are special and right.

Oh Enlighten me wise teenager. Why do so many Christians turn away from their Faith is God would reward them with the knowledge of how much better they are than everyone else ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Like You? That's a terrifying thought. What is a REAL Christian anyway? One who blindly follows the Bible word for word, one who only listens to thier Church, or one who tries to spread TRUE LOVE to everyone else?

You seem to forget God's gift to us all....Free Will

No the terrifying thought is that people like this take up the pews of Christian churches and associate themselves with a church where they dont even understand the God they choose to serve.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Untrue. Tons of Christians disregard much of the Bible. Accepting "certain truths" limits one's view of the world, because your idea of accepting one truth is disregarding ALL OTHER TRUTHS.....

"all other truths" is your opinion. I mean truths as in things that are printed on the Bible that a Christian chooses to live his life according to. Those are Biblical truths. My form of truth is accepting something I know to be true and right.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
If the teaching encourages Death, violence, discrimination or a violation of Free Will.....then no, its perfectly FINE to protest.

Only ignorant Bible readers interpret scripture that way. I've only heard these kinds of statements from non-Christians who nit-pick at certain scriptures in the Bible without trying to understand their full meaning or even what the verse is really saying.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
HAT IS SO GREAT about you and the way you worship. You conservative Christians LOVE to create limits and bar people from certain freedoms when given the chance. You love telling people how they have to live thier lives.....why dont you USE ur time more properly by fighting poverty, war, drugs and violence in general ?????

War, poverty, drugs, and violence are all incorporated into scripture. You've never been to my church and you've never heard my pastor preach and you never heard my views on certain things. So dont start sterotyping again.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Are not all religious people just part of a religion ? Again, what to you is he definition of a REAL CHRISTIAN ?

No, we aren't just part of a religion. Religion is boring and traditional. We believe and have faith in the one God of the universe.

A real Christian is one who basis his life on the word of God.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Oh Enlighten me wise teenager. Why do so many Christians turn away from their Faith is God would reward them with the knowledge of how much better they are than everyone else ?

Lol, your constant derrogatives of my age are just showing your maturity and inability to have a conversation with someone without lingering on some sort of cheap shot.

They never had it for themselves. They never got their belief and passion for God for themselves. They lived off of their peers and leaders convictions and walk with God and never received it for themselves. That my friend is why so many people backslide.

They dont seek after that knowledge.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." - John 1:1

Therefore, rejecting the Bible or the Word is rejecting God for they are the same. This is a basic principle of true Christianity. The Bible does not teach to condemn others, no matter their religion, but rather to sway the minds of the deceived towards the truth of salvation.

"And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to the knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will." - 2 Timothy 2:24-26

The inability of many Christians to meet these requirements is the reason so many people forsake Christ and his teachings, they have not been led into true faith which is a Christian's greatest defense against Satan as witnessed in the Armour of God.

Anyone in this form is capable of taking any "scripture" they choose, out of the bible, and applying any "meaning" they want or can concoct, to it. It's very simple.

Originally posted by Philip_ll
Anyone in this form is capable of taking any "scripture" they choose, out of the bible, and applying any "meaning" they want or can concoct, to it. It's very simple.

Please excuse my drunken spelling.

Well for one,they oppress their women(okay,last time I checked,God didn't allow slavery,which what they're doing litterally is,women should be allowed to have rights too),kill people if they don't believe in their religion,kill people(innocent,of course).Now last time I checked,all that shit was said by God to be wrong.I;m not saying that all of them are bad,but a lot of them are.They kill each other over Religion alone.

That's how denominations are form..........

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Good 🙂

Originally posted by Lord Urizen

That's not true at all. With or without religion we are still very important and JUST as valuable. You don't need religion to have a Soul. If the SOUL actually EXISTS, it exists independent of religion or anything else to say its true.[/B]

Actually you DO need religion to have soul since there weren't even such word before religion appeared. You can't believe in soul but not believe in God. Soul is not independent of religion but a part of it.
Soul originally was something God lets you have

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
We are NEVER just meat and bones, we are also cells, thoughts, feelings, emotions, creators, destroyers, dreamers, realists, etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.[/B]

Of what would you be proud more? To say I have a "kind soul" or "a lot of cells"? 😛

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
God can you blame me for thinking ur views are CLOSED minded if NOT black and white ????
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Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Ofcourse it doesn't bro. I agree with you there. But relying on only ONE SOURCE of information and using that to SUBSTITUTE ALL OTHER TRUTHS (ex: science, logic, reason, other religions, other people's knowledge) is not only a lack of imagination, but purposeful ignorance against anything that does not fit your views.[/B]

No hold a sec, I think I didn't expressed my self clearly. I go by Koran only when it comes TO religion, ofcourse I willn't rely on it if I had some scintific questions do deside. You asked me a certain question. If I do think that being gay is a sin. This question is related only to religion. No other scintific source of information can tell you for what you will go to hell and for what you wont. You asked questiom that only my religional views could give answer too, so I answered going by the religion.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I am an Artist, a Graphic Designer in training, and an aspiring cartoonist.

I am open to ALL possibilities....NOT JUST ONE unlike you.

No my freind, my Imagination is SO great it drives me to insanity. Trust me 😉 [/B]

Being a believer is one of the million possibilities, I by the way used to study art too for sometime. So my imagination goes to the same point as yours and even further because of the religion. 😎

Originally posted by Alliance
You're assuming that you are true. The vitures of this debate are debatable.

Originally posted by Alliance
No, I'm athiest, there is much more to people than flash and blood. All living things have spirital aspects about them, that doesnt mean that we have to attribute that to a god. [/B]

Actually you do have. Tell me then what's spirit? Something simmilar to cells or to Brain waves??

Originally posted by Alliance
Thats not true. I have "religious" experiences all the time. We use all possible aspects of the world. You limit yourself to ONE interpretation. Our minds are open and clear of oragnized religious dogma.

Its perfectly find that your Muslim and you're entirely welcome to your opinion. However, by subscribing yourself to one organized religion, you ARE limiting your views of the world. All your views are inline with the faith. YOu cant argue otherwise. Im not judging you or your choice, I'm saying that your argument is wrong. [/B]

Originally posted by finti
the one who answered yes tottally missed out on what faith really is all about.

i said yes. Here's why
the question wasn't "are muslims worse than us?" it was "is it right to think one religion is better than the others?"

Well, i should sure hope it is because literally every person on earth belives so. Of course you think your own religion is better than the others that's why you practice it. For thousands of years people have tried to convert people who are not part of their religion to their own because they thought it was best. Now this doesn't mean that i think muslims are better than christians or something like that. Just because you think your religion is better than someone elses doesn't mean that you think you are better than them.

If you still disagree with me let me leave you with this question.

Why do you go to your church/mosque/synagogue/temple and no others?

crap. i looked at the wrong #of replies before entering the discussion and thought there was 15 and only read the first page. Sorry for the slightly out of place comment

Actually you DO need religion to have soul since there weren't even such word before religion appeared. You can't believe in soul but not believe in God. Soul is not independent of religion but a part of it.
Soul originally was something God lets you have

EHHHHH👇

If the SOUL indeed DOES exist, than you don't need religion to validate it. The SOUL if it TRULY EXISTS, exists WITHOUT our permission or beleif in it.

And what is religion other than a beleif system? If the SOUL is REAL, which i do beleive it is, then it's REAL regardless of WHETHER or NOT WE BELEIVE IT.

Again you don't need religion to have a Soul.

Of what would you be proud more? To say I have a "kind soul" or "a lot of cells"?

I am proud of everything I beleive myself to be, i dont need a religion to validate my importance, that is my point.

No hold a sec, I think I didn't expressed my self clearly. I go by Koran only when it comes TO religion, ofcourse I willn't rely on it if I had some scintific questions do deside. You asked me a certain question. If I do think that being gay is a sin. This question is related only to religion. No other scintific source of information can tell you for what you will go to hell and for what you wont. You asked questiom that only my religional views could give answer too, so I answered going by the religion.

Very good argument, i dont thnk i can counter this one. However the issue of homosexuality is not just a religious one. It is also a social, civil, personal, and sexual issue. There are other ways to look at it.

Being a believer is one of the million possibilities, I by the way used to study art too for sometime. So my imagination goes to the same point as yours and even further because of the religion.

There's a big difference between studying art, and being an artist.

Even further? 👇

No my freind, u severely misunderstand.

I am open to all possibilities, even that YOUR religion may be right. I however am undecided, and when it comes to FACT i only accept FACTS that are proven. When it comes to beleif and theory, i don't think anything is right or wrong, just beleifs until they can be proven FACT

The fact that you SELECTED and accepted your Faith means that you are bound by the LIMITS of your Faith in your outlook on many things.

Religion sets LIMITS...lets face it.

The fact that I am free from these limits, the fact that i am not BOUND by any belief, and the fact that my imagination defies FACTS and LOGIC means by imagination is enormous.

It is most probably larger than your own, since you may tend to limit yours because you may feel that your religious views must come first and before your other views.

Their is no 'correct lord' . It is ones own choice to pick a religion and follow the God that champions said religion.

If anyone needs it to be simplified think of religion as Credit Card Companies, you can pick which ever one you want. But you'll eventually have to pay one way or another.

You DONT NEED to be religious either.

You can beleive in whatever you want, you don't have to FOLLOW a set religion and bind yourself to all its rules.

But there is always a consequence for the decisions we make, good or bad. Our goal should be to make the right one before we die.

Before we DIE?

An act of FEAR don't you think ?

I don't care about this "God" you guys beleive in. My definition of morality is not "how we serve God"

My definition of morality is "How we serve other people"

TO ME...all that matters is what good you do for mankind. Have you helped fight against global starvation, disease, and poverty?

Do you try and protest against unreasonable wars?

Do you give to charities, do you keep a teenager from suicide ?

These are the things that I beleive COUNT.

I don't care for how many animals you sacrafice for God, i dont care how many times you go to Church, and i dont care how often you pray for me or anyone else.

ACTIONS speak louder than words and intentions.....You think humankind needs help? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT......

I couldn't care LESS what your God, or my God, or anyone else's God thinks of my actions, as long as the PEOPLE I help recognize it.