The bible says earth is only 7000 yerars old science says it is 5,000,000,000 Y.o

Started by Chibi Boy28 pages

Originally posted by finti
I highly suggest you take up some zoology, polar bears have webbing's between their toes which the forest bear do not have.

No even though you can cross breed them they are different in size(tigers are the biggest) and behaviour when it comes to hunting and how they live. Lions in families, tigers alone

all animals have evolved to adapt to the environment those who couldnt went extinct, we evolved so much and still do cause we change the environment that surrounds us all the time and we need to adapt. We also change the natural environment for other animals and they try to adapt to it but th change is happen to fast for them, and many species are on the brink of extinction

1. And there is still more differences between an ape and a human.

2.Ummm, yeah, but everyday people have different ways of living, it has nothing to do with evolution.

3.I have already answered this before. And now you are saying that evolution does exist in humans, when before you said we was a breed, make your mind up.

Apes have always lived in the same places, there was never a need for evolution because nothing ever changed. So why'd they evolve in the first place when there was no need?

Originally posted by finti
yeah as I thought you wouldnt get that little joke no this is arrogance more than ignorance

not just according to me, if you knew a little bit about anthropology this wouldnt be news

just the way you believe the bible to be the truth

because the dna we dont share makes all teh differences
if not they wouldnt recognize their own offspring's, even humans that works in zoos and the likes see the difference in them

yes 1727 B.C.E(B.C) to be more precisely which means it predates your precious 10 commandments by 500 years

or being religious as we also can call it no you think you tried to answer them b, but you didnt, and you havent proven any one in here wron about nothing, you even havent got your facts accurate not at all contra all the proof we have for the biblival stories 😂 😂 Evolution has it holes which unable it to have a whole picture but they are at least putting forward hard evidence to back up their beliefs

humans learn how to cloth themselfs through time the need for all that hair to preserve heat wasnt needed anymore, nature gets rid of whats not needed

"because the dna we dont share makes all teh differences
if not they wouldnt recognize their own offspring's, even humans that works in zoos and the likes see the difference in them"
A fact is, animals CAN'T tell their own offspring. My cousin has a cat whos son died but it thinks another cat with the same coloured fur is it's son.

"just the way you believe the bible to be the truth"
So there's no point to life to you then i suppose? Thats what Science is all about, no purpose, just plain negativeness to ourselves.

"or being religious as we also can call it no you think you tried to answer them b, but you didnt, and you havent proven any one in here wron about nothing, you even havent got your facts accurate not at all contra all the proof we have for the biblival stories 😂 😂 Evolution has it holes which unable it to have a whole picture but they are at least putting forward hard evidence to back up their beliefs"
😂 You still don't get it 😂 I just gave you a page full of proof, that's what it is, i am explaining to you yet you won't listen.

Ok, fine, any proof that the ark never happened? Any proof that 2% of DNA makes all the difference?

" yes 1727 B.C.E(B.C) to be more precisely which means it predates your precious 10 commandments by 500 years"
Ok, so if it was before when Moses wrote it, how'd you even know it exists? Atleast now we know that something happened before Moses that people actually believe. Why not believe Moses exists then? And why not believe in god if Jesus was born even more recently than what you actually believe?

What makes this place so much more easy to believe? And what is so wrong in believing there is a god? It's not going to ruin your life forever. It's better than figuring out when you're being thrown into the flames of hell. Why don't you actually see what Christianity is like before you doubt it?
I mean what makes you so sure there is no god? You don't have any proof that there isn't one. And you have no proof that evolution exists. if the supposed existence of these rules before Moses are counted as facts, so is the Bible.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Would one of the happend to be named Chibi Boy? Perhaps he has never heard the euphamism, "It is better to be thought a fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt." In any case, the only thing he has proved through his continued participation in this thread is how ingorant he truly is of genetics, modern evolutionary theory, and the scientific method.

1. Sometimes people counted as being fools are also counted as being smart. Someone could think i'm a fool not to go on rollercoaster, yet if it breaks down while the other's on it who's the fool this time?

2. I ain't ignorant, that's pure fact, just because god actually does things doesn't mean that i am ignoring genetics, modern evolutionary theory or the scientific method. If god can do things, he can certainly defy all the rules of science. I ain't a fool, I just know it's dangerous not to believe in god.

Just because someone says that humans and apes have 98% same DNA doesn't mean it's specifically true. Also I was watching a science program that said there was a LARGE difference between the DNA and they said the the missing link would fill the spaces.

You know, when people from different places across the world heard of god they went to tell their friends, but their friends didn't want to beleive because they had already done wrong, so they tried to pretend he never existed and taught their children not to believe either, and that's you lots problem, you just don't wanna give up. Well, i don't have a clue what you've got to lose by believing in god, maybe if you answer me this question i'll leave you alone. All of you are calling me fools and ignorant etc cos you know i'm right, and you know i'm gonna have to force you into believing.

Or should I say, the common sense to beleive in a god.

You still don't get it I just gave you a page full of proof, that's what it is, i am explaining to you yet you won't listen.
you call that proof??????? glad I aint the one to grade your reports then cause I never seen such weak/laughable suggestion to be called "proofs" in my life
Any proof that 2% of DNA makes all the difference?
go see a chimpanzee and bring a mirror, thats the proof you need

Apes have always lived in the same places, there was never a need for evolution because nothing ever changed
climate changed the environment they were used to change they needed to adapt to meet these new conditions, the ones that had to face this different scenario brought on a change in the primates

I have already answered this before. And now you are saying that evolution does exist in humans, when before you said we was a breed, make your mind up.
if you dont understand it leave it alone. Breeding is a part of the evolution of the species

So there's no point to life to you then i suppose? Thats what Science is all about, no purpose, just plain negativeness to ourselves
well coming from one who cling to a religious faith that seem to live in a mist they cant find their way out of makes your replys rather humorous

Ok, fine, any proof that the ark never happened?
no evidence of it at all
Ok, so if it was before when Moses wrote it, how'd you even know it exists?
because they have proof in the form of artifacts that have the laws written on them that dates to that period of time, like the original records.

Why not believe Moses exists then? And why not believe in god if Jesus was born even more recently than what you actually believe?
what is this the reasoning of a 10 year old, there are no historical records of Moses, nor is there any proof of a DIVINE jesus, no one argues that a man called jesus lived in Palestine/Judea at that time and he probably challenge the religious authorities and paid the price for that. But divine son of a god , nah not believable at all for me

Ummm, yeah, but everyday people have different ways of living, it has nothing to do with evolution
thasts because evolution goes on all the time and the short period opf time we live aint enough to see the changes that goes on, one thing though is that we get taller by each generation

And what is so wrong in believing there is a god? It's not going to ruin your life forever
never said it was wrong for people to believe in a god, for me they can dedicate their life to their god, but I find the entire deity thing rather ridicules it wont work for me, and not believing in a god doesnt ruin your life either

Why don't you actually see what Christianity is like before you doubt it?
Ive seen enough of it, I broke from it and I will never return to it.
I mean what makes you so sure there is no god? You don't have any proof that there isn't one. And you have no proof that evolution exists. if the supposed existence of these rules before Moses are counted as facts, so is the Bible.

my own conviction that there is no god makes me sure. Dont need proof that there is a god all I need to say that there aint no good and the proving falls upon those who say there is, as long as I see god as a nonexisting thing I dont need to prove this nonexisting thing doesnt exist, I already did by saying ther is no god. To prove me wrong one need to come up with hardfact evidence with no reasonable doubt that there is a god .
To put it this way those who are in favour of the evolutionary theory is like lightyears in front of religious groups when it comes to producing stuff to back up for their belief

Originally posted by Chibi Boy
We should be more important cos we happen to be the only ones who can dominate the world, or count, or comunicate completely with thousands of words.
Although monkeys have feelings too they don't really care anyway, because they know who is the children of of Adam and Eve, and it ain't them.

I could train a parrot to keep repeating: " We were put as the crown creation of the world.... me wants cookie. " There were humans that said they are more important that anything else, and them told that was Gods will.

Originally posted by Chibi Boy
1. Sometimes people counted as being fools are also counted as being smart. Someone could think i'm a fool not to go on rollercoaster, yet if it breaks down while the other's on it who's the fool this time?

2. I ain't ignorant, that's pure fact, just because god actually does things doesn't mean that i am ignoring genetics, modern evolutionary theory or the scientific method. If god can do things, he can certainly defy all the rules of science. I ain't a fool, I just know it's dangerous not to believe in god.

Just because someone says that humans and apes have 98% same DNA doesn't mean it's specifically true. Also I was watching a science program that said there was a LARGE difference between the DNA and they said the the missing link would fill the spaces.

You know, when people from different places across the world heard of god they went to tell their friends, but their friends didn't want to beleive because they had already done wrong, so they tried to pretend he never existed and taught their children not to believe either, and that's you lots problem, you just don't wanna give up. Well, i don't have a clue what you've got to lose by believing in god, maybe if you answer me this question i'll leave you alone. All of you are calling me fools and ignorant etc cos you know i'm right, and you know i'm gonna have to force you into believing.

[list=1][*]One cannot be both foolish and wise; a fool is just a fool.

Furthermore, your analogy is not even logical. The man who chooses to go on the rollercoaster could not foresee that it would malfuntion, nor did he have any reason to believe it would do so, therefore, he is not a fool for going on the rollercoaster. The man who chooses not to go on the rollercoaster because of the possibility that it may malfuntion is simply irrational.

[*]You have clearly illustrated that you do not have an accurate understanding of genetics, evolutionary theory, or the scientific method. If you need examples, I can provide them.

Furthermore, your claim that humans and apes do not share 98% of the DNA but that scientist report this to be true because of a conspiracy is so absurd, it is laughable, as is the Deus ex Machina explainations you provide to explain facts you do not understand or cannot disprove.[/list]

Moreover, I do not have "anything to lose" by believing in God; I simply have no reason to. Tell me, what do you have to lose by believing in leprechauns? After all, there is certainly no more evidence for the existence of God then there is for the existence of leprechauns.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
[list=1][*]Tell me, what do you have to lose by believing in leprechauns? After all, there is certainly no more evidence for the existence of God then there is for the existence of leprechauns.

Are we going to start talking about leprechauns again...????? 🙄

NB The 98.5% figure may have been revised to around 95% when factoring in not only substitutions but insertions and deletions if I recall.

Irregardless the proof of the evolutionary relationship between the great apes and humans is pretty irrefutable.

Some more facts. Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes. Chimps and gorillas have 24. Human chromosome two is a fusion of two smaller chromosomes that remain separated in the great apes. Synteny (correlation of gene order) on 18 of the chromosomes is very high.

Mutation is a fact and can be observed within human timeframes using micro-organisms.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
[list=1][*]One cannot be both foolish and wise; a fool is just a fool.

Furthermore, your analogy is not even logical. The man who chooses to go on the rollercoaster could not foresee that it would malfuntion, nor did he have any reason to believe it would do so, therefore, he is not a fool for going on the rollercoaster. The man who chooses not to go on the rollercoaster because of the possibility that it may malfuntion is simply irrational.

[*]You have clearly illustrated that you do not have an accurate understanding of genetics, evolutionary theory, or the scientific method. If you need examples, I can provide them.

Furthermore, your claim that humans and apes do not share 98% of the DNA but that scientist report this to be true because of a conspiracy is so absurd, it is laughable, as is the Deus ex Machina explainations you provide to explain facts you do not understand or cannot disprove.[/list]

Moreover, I do not have "anything to lose" by believing in God; I simply have no reason to. Tell me, what do you have to lose by believing in leprechauns? After all, there is certainly no more evidence for the existence of God then there is for the existence of leprechauns.

"Furthermore, your analogy is not even logical. The man who chooses to go on the rollercoaster could not foresee that it would malfuntion, nor did he have any reason to believe it would do so, therefore, he is not a fool for going on the rollercoaster. The man who chooses not to go on the rollercoaster because of the possibility that it may malfuntion is simply irrational." If it's possible that there could be a god it's safest to believe, while if you don't believe and there is a god you're doomed to hell. 😉

"Moreover, I do not have "anything to lose" by believing in God; I simply have no reason to. Tell me, what do you have to lose by believing in leprechauns? After all, there is certainly no more evidence for the existence of God then there is for the existence of leprechauns."
I see your point, yet I have shown you reasons just on the above paragraph, and i also said reasons in the post you just took a quote out of. There is also the Bible that shows gods existence and the things he has done, otherwise the Lephrechauns don't have any real proof of existance. Although they could exist.

"You have clearly illustrated that you do not have an accurate understanding of genetics, evolutionary theory, or the scientific method. If you need examples, I can provide them."
True, yet telling people about god usually doesn't need genetics and all that. My brother has blonde hair but my mum and dad have brown-black, I also have a different nose to my parents, so my life hardly includes genetics anyway.

"Furthermore, your claim that humans and apes do not share 98% of the DNA but that scientist report this to be true because of a conspiracy is so absurd, it is laughable, as is the Deus ex Machina explainations you provide to explain facts you do not understand or cannot disprove."
Absurd? Heh, I am amazed nobody has noticed how absurd they are making them sound like with all this monkey business, seesh, i still don't get you people.

So you know how and why the universe ticks eh? Why is the moon in the right position in space to block out the sun for an eclipse then eh? And you know why grass breathes out oxygen and we breathe in oxygen? Why does everything suit our needs then? How'd it suddenly become perfect for life? Come on, you lot answer me properly. Why does evolution exist then if it's true? it's laughable to me how nobody can ever tell me why evolution is actually supposed to exist when a creature wouldn't be able to change atall without the climate to changing really slowly.

Originally posted by finti
you call that proof??????? glad I aint the one to grade your reports then cause I never seen such weak/laughable suggestion to be called "proofs" in my life
go see a chimpanzee and bring a mirror, thats the proof you need

climate changed the environment they were used to change they needed to adapt to meet these new conditions, the ones that had to face this different scenario brought on a change in the primates

if you dont understand it leave it alone. Breeding is a part of the evolution of the species

well coming from one who cling to a religious faith that seem to live in a mist they cant find their way out of makes your replys rather humorous

no evidence of it at all
because they have proof in the form of artifacts that have the laws written on them that dates to that period of time, like the original records.

what is this the reasoning of a 10 year old, there are no historical records of Moses, nor is there any proof of a DIVINE jesus, no one argues that a man called jesus lived in Palestine/Judea at that time and he probably challenge the religious authorities and paid the price for that. But divine son of a god , nah not believable at all for me

thasts because evolution goes on all the time and the short period opf time we live aint enough to see the changes that goes on, one thing though is that we get taller by each generation

never said it was wrong for people to believe in a god, for me they can dedicate their life to their god, but I find the entire deity thing rather ridicules it wont work for me, and not believing in a god doesnt ruin your life either

Ive seen enough of it, I broke from it and I will never return to it.

my own conviction that there is no god makes me sure. Dont need proof that there is a god all I need to say that there aint no good and the proving falls upon those who say there is, as long as I see god as a nonexisting thing I dont need to prove this nonexisting thing doesnt exist, I already did by saying ther is no god. To prove me wrong one need to come up with hardfact evidence with no reasonable doubt that there is a god .
To put it this way those who are in favour of the evolutionary theory is like lightyears in front of religious groups when it comes to producing stuff to back up for their belief

"climate changed the environment they were used to change they needed to adapt to meet these new conditions, the ones that had to face this different scenario brought on a change in the primates"
Hmmm, and suddenly from out of nowhere intelligence appears, i wonder what that has to do with the climate.

"my own conviction that there is no god makes me sure. Dont need proof that there is a god all I need to say that there aint no good and the proving falls upon those who say there is, as long as I see god as a nonexisting thing I dont need to prove this nonexisting thing doesnt exist, I already did by saying ther is no god. To prove me wrong one need to come up with hardfact evidence with no reasonable doubt that there is a god ."
Is that all you think? Than i am certainly not the fool here. If this is all you people can come up with, than I'm not gonna answering your crazy statements.

"never said it was wrong for people to believe in a god, for me they can dedicate their life to their god, but I find the entire deity thing rather ridicules it wont work for me, and not believing in a god doesnt ruin your life either....my own conviction that there is no god makes me sure. Dont need proof that there is a god all I need to say that there aint no good and the proving falls upon those who say there is, as long as I see god as a nonexisting thing I dont need to prove this nonexisting thing doesnt exist, I already did by saying ther is no god. To prove me wrong one need to come up with hardfact evidence with no reasonable doubt that there is a god ."

what you alone thinks don't matter, and if you can't even be bothered to try and figure out the truth than i have already won this debate. I've already explained that.

"go see a chimpanzee and bring a mirror, thats the proof you need"
How many times do I have to repeat myself? we have hardly anything in common, especially against a Polar bear and a Forest bear. Apes have hands, they have a skeleton slightly like ours, they have ears like ours and thats all. i've seen human and I've seen ape and they're not alike and i suppose many other people have noticed the difference. You tell me what's in common between the 2 if you're so sure. So that isn't even proof for you, it's more proof to creation. I've shown sites, i've given you explanations, all you've given me is a load of tiny explanations with no proof.

"no evidence of it at all
because they have proof in the form of artifacts that have the laws written on them that dates to that period of time, like the original records."
😂 This is the worst one of the lot. Back then they didn't calculate time, Bible is just as much proof as those artifacts because the Bible was wrote ages ago and has been written onto new peices of paper to replace the old ones. I have proof, the Bible, me and you. And that's all the proof i need.

Oh, and by the way, there' no historical recording of those rules you said either except the artifacts which supposedly said the time when nobody even thought it up.

Hmmm, and suddenly from out of nowhere intelligence appears, i wonder what that has to do with the climate :/
by saying this you totally display a lack of understanding of this subject, the changes took a looooooooooooooooooooooong time and the intelligence grew with the change of diet. Climate has everything to do with it cause with a change of climate so does the surroundings all around you change, and one have to adapt to these changes. Changes that includes everything that concern the ones who faces it

Is that all you think? Than i am certainly not the fool here. If this is all you people can come up with, than I'm not gonna answering your crazy statements.
there is no more to it, and I rather you kept from answering cause you aint at all capable of the task

what you alone thinks don't matter, and if you can't even be bothered to try and figure out the truth than i have already won this debate. I've already explained that
you won this debate, how? by trying to use the words other feeds you but you aint able to reproduce them the way they were meant to be when you have to write them with your own words.
What I alone thing is actually THE fact that matters, it shows I am able to see it in my own way, that I have my own interpretation of things, not like you who tries to regurgitate others views and ways. But the fact that you, funny as it is, think you have proven anything, when the thruth is the opposite, and think you came out as a winner of this debate just emphasize an earlier post I made about ignorant arrogance

Apes have hands, they have a skeleton slightly like ours, they have ears like ours and thats all. i've seen human and I've seen ape and they're not alike and i suppose many other people have noticed the difference
you have to look at all teh aspect not just the exterior view, that away I am as different from an asian or alike if you prefer that as the similarities you poduced for man and ape. You have to make a complete gene map(not the kind of map that would show you the way to LA) of both to find out the true similarities

This is the worst one of the lot. Back then they didn't calculate time, Bible is just as much proof as those artifacts because the Bible was wrote ages ago and has been written onto new peices of paper to replace the old ones. I have proof, the Bible, me and you. And that's all the proof i need.
It wasnt the ancient that calculated the time to date it Hamurabis laws either recorded history help us do that🙄 🙄 man you are totally blank when it comes to this. You are so out of your league I almost pity you..........almost

No one knows who wrote the bible which menas it can be used as an artifact of evidence, what they do know though that many of the bioblical stoiries bear similarities to older mythological beliefs

Oh, and by the way, there' no historical recording of those rules you said either except the artifacts which supposedly said the time when nobody even thought it up
You really dont understand this do you, those rules have historical records due to the fact they actually found them.

I really dont know how far Im gonna go to dumb it down for you, but I really dont think you gonna get it either way so...................

Are you the fastest person you know in your age group? this is just a question of wonder.
And you still haven't answered the important questions...

Originally posted by finti
by saying this you totally display a lack of understanding of this subject, the changes took a looooooooooooooooooooooong time and the intelligence grew with the change of diet. Climate has everything to do with it cause with a change of climate so does the surroundings all around you change, and one have to adapt to these changes. Changes that includes everything that concern the ones who faces it

there is no more to it, and I rather you kept from answering cause you aint at all capable of the task

you won this debate, how? by trying to use the words other feeds you but you aint able to reproduce them the way they were meant to be when you have to write them with your own words.
What I alone thing is actually THE fact that matters, it shows I am able to see it in my own way, that I have my own interpretation of things, not like you who tries to regurgitate others views and ways. But the fact that you, funny as it is, think you have proven anything, when the thruth is the opposite, and think you came out as a winner of this debate just emphasize an earlier post I made about ignorant arrogance

you have to look at all teh aspect not just the exterior view, that away I am as different from an asian or alike if you prefer that as the similarities you poduced for man and ape. You have to make a complete gene map(not the kind of map that would show you the way to LA) of both to find out the true similarities

It wasnt the ancient that calculated the time to date it Hamurabis laws either recorded history help us do that🙄 🙄 man you are totally blank when it comes to this. You are so out of your league I almost pity you..........almost

No one knows who wrote the bible which menas it can be used as an artifact of evidence, what they do know though that many of the bioblical stoiries bear similarities to older mythological beliefs

You really dont understand this do you, those rules have historical records due to the fact they actually found them.

I really dont know how far Im gonna go to dumb it down for you, but I really dont think you gonna get it either way so...................

"by saying this you totally display a lack of understanding of this subject, the changes took a looooooooooooooooooooooong time and the intelligence grew with the change of diet. Climate has everything to do with it cause with a change of climate so does the surroundings all around you change, and one have to adapt to these changes. Changes that includes everything that concern the ones who faces it" You ain't getting the point here are you? So what's the link between diet and intelligence? Does food power our brains or something 😂 ? You say evolution is adaptation to the environment so when you have a diet what makes you smarter?

"you won this debate, how? by trying to use the words other feeds you but you aint able to reproduce them the way they were meant to be when you have to write them with your own words.
What I alone thing is actually THE fact that matters, it shows I am able to see it in my own way, that I have my own interpretation of things, not like you who tries to regurgitate others views and ways. But the fact that you, funny as it is, think you have proven anything, when the thruth is the opposite, and think you came out as a winner of this debate just emphasize an earlier post I made about ignorant arrogance"
But according to you, you don't have the ability to see things your own way. Because you don't have a soul to be able to.
And PLEASE can you stop changing the subject?

"there is no more to it, and I rather you kept from answering cause you aint at all capable of the task" No, you would rather me stop replying because i can reply. And you don't want me to prove you wrong.

"No one knows who wrote the bible which menas it can be used as an artifact of evidence, what they do know though that many of the bioblical stoiries bear similarities to older mythological beliefs"
Such as?

"It wasnt the ancient that calculated the time to date it Hamurabis laws either recorded history help us do that🙄 🙄 man you are totally blank when it comes to this. You are so out of your league I almost pity you..........almost"
Why am i so out of my league then? maybe you're the one out of your league cos you haven't answered the big question yet, which means you're stalling. So what's the proof of the Hamurabis laws then? Come on, What's the big thing that's gonna make me stop? Anyway, you have clearly lost it in this sense, you said that the Hamurabis laws are the real laws, so how'd they get inscripted into our minds? And you said you'd kill me and not care, so they're obviously not with you, or they don't exist.

Wait, I think get your point now, you mean't that we figured the time Hamurabis laws happened. How?
I have also noticed that you think life revolves around evolution yet life doesn't exist, How can that be possible?

Originally posted by finti
does it agree with the evolutionary theory?

Originally posted by Chibi Boy
" So what's the link between diet and intelligence? Does food power our brains or something 😂 ? You say evolution is adaptation to the environment so when you have a diet what makes you smarter?

Actually diet has everything to do with how you develop...and a lack of a good one, causes death and disease....

You need to study your nutrition and physiology. You might also want to see the effects on Neurology.. ...with diet and climate changes.

Just a thought.

Originally posted by Chibi Boy
If it's possible that there could be a god it's safest to believe, while if you don't believe and there is a god you're doomed to hell. 😉

Pascal's wager suffers from the logical fallacy of the false dilemma, relying on the assumption that the only possibilities are:

[list=1][*]the Christian God exists and punishes or rewards as stated in Christian theology, or

[*]no God exists. [/list]

The wager does not account for the possibility that there is a God who, rather than behaving as stated in certain parts of The Bible, instead rewards skepticism and punishes blind faith, or rewards honest reasoning and punishes feigned faith.

The "many-gods" argument points out that we can find indefinitely many other possibilities offering eternal bliss and threatening eternal torment. For example, non-Christian gods might exist, and punish Christian believers for their failure to believe in them. Or some powerful entity might decide to punish those who believe in a god while rewarding non-believers.

In this way, Pascal's Wager can be used to deduce that it is advisable to believe in any or all of a variety of gods; however, the belief systems of most religions require exclusive belief in the god of that religion, so the wager is simply not valid when applied to such religions.

And so on and so forth.

Originally posted by Chibi Boy
I see your point, yet I have shown you reasons just on the above paragraph, and i also said reasons in the post you just took a quote out of. There is also the Bible that shows gods existence and the things he has done, otherwise the Lephrechauns don't have any real proof of existance. Although they could exist.

The only thing The Bible is proof of is that ink sticks to paper.

Originally posted by Chibi Boy
So you know how and why the universe ticks eh? Why is the moon in the right position in space to block out the sun for an eclipse then eh? And you know why grass breathes out oxygen and we breathe in oxygen? Why does everything suit our needs then? How'd it suddenly become perfect for life? Come on, you lot answer me properly. Why does evolution exist then if it's true? it's laughable to me how nobody can ever tell me why evolution is actually supposed to exist when a creature wouldn't be able to change atall without the climate to changing really slowly.

I already addressed this in a previous post.

-_-' Fine i'll just have to deliver you the cold hard facts. The thing is you, Finti or anyone else, Christian, or non-christian won't believe each others points no matter what we say, so what's the point in this conversation?

Evolution has an extremely large flaw in it. Supposedly billions of years ago, humans/apes appeared and then started breathing in Oxygen and out CO2, but that means it would have taken the plants billions of years to evolve into breathing in CO2, so they would have only just started breathing today when we'd be extinct.
Simply, which came first, humans or plants? According to evolution plants came first, billions of years after apes/humans appeared. But then there'd only be oxygen today and all the CO2 would have gone = no more plants.

Originally posted by Chibi Boy
-_-' Fine i'll just have to deliver you the cold hard facts. The thing is you, Finti or anyone else, Christian, or non-christian won't believe each others points no matter what we say, so what's the point in this conversation?

Evolution has an extremely large flaw in it. Supposedly billions of years ago, humans/apes appeared and then started breathing in Oxygen and out CO2, but that means it would have taken the plants billions of years to evolve into breathing in CO2, so they would have only just started breathing today when we'd be extinct.
Simply, which came first, humans or plants? According to evolution plants came first, billions of years after apes/humans appeared. But then there'd only be oxygen today and all the CO2 would have gone = no more plants.

Wrong. Again, this post demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of modern evolutionary theory. The following diagram shows evolutionary relationships between plant and animal life in time sequential order:

Originally posted by Chibi Boy
-_-' Fine i'll just have to deliver you the cold hard facts. The thing is you, Finti or anyone else, Christian, or non-christian won't believe each others points no matter what we say, so what's the point in this conversation?

Evolution has an extremely large flaw in it. Supposedly billions of years ago, humans/apes appeared and then started breathing in Oxygen and out CO2, but that means it would have taken the plants billions of years to evolve into breathing in CO2, so they would have only just started breathing today when we'd be extinct.
Simply, which came first, humans or plants? According to evolution plants came first, billions of years after apes/humans appeared. But then there'd only be oxygen today and all the CO2 would have gone = no more plants.

Wow this is so incredibly flawed...
Plant's do not "breathe in CO2" and "breathe out oxygen", (the anthropomorphism is semantically wrong too as plants do not breathe in the sense you seem to be implying at all) oxygen is a byproduct of photosynthetic production of glucose, plant's still undergo respiration that requires oxygen.

The early earth atmosphere consisted of predominantly CO2, H2O and N2, as well as some gaseous sulfur compounds. According to evolution organisms capable of photosynthetic reactions evolved first. Humans and apes did not appear billions of years ago. Homo sapiens sapiens only date back around 200 thousand years.

How can you argue against scientific concepts when you lack even a rudimentary knowledge or understanding of said scientific concepts?

I do know that there are many theories on what the early earth was like and what the atmosphere was like......and maybe he should of said plant take in Co2 and release Oxygen.