oh, and about what catholics did: http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/jesusteachingonhell.html
Originally posted by Chibi Boy
oh, and about what catholics did: http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/jesusteachingonhell.html
It's quite interesting to read...
And oh..what the church did...too
http://www.medmalexperts.com/POCM/pagan_christs_getting_started_FLASH.html
Originally posted by Chibi Boy
Blah Blah Blah I'm incredibly narrowminded blah blah
Of course the things you say are complicated, nonsensical ramblings are always complicated.
You do not decide what has purpose and what does not. Why do you deem that Pluto has no purpose. You cannot use the words meaning, purpose and soul interchangeably. Meaning and purpose have different connotations, soul is a different concept entirely.
It's not an explanation of what I've just told you. It's an explanation of what you've selectively heard and filtered through your god goggles. Again you make no sense and have given little to reply to when you base your entire argument on assumptions that there are no views other than your own. You don't seem to be able to grasp that one does not need to believe in The Bible and your Church and your religion to believe in philosophical not religious concepts.
You presume the soul to be a wholly Christian concept. That is fallacy. One does not need to believe in your god or any god at all to believe in the concept of a soul. One does not need to believe in your concept of a soul to believe in a concept of a soul. One does not have to believe in a soul at all to believe life has meaning and/or purpose. One does not have to believe in your god to believe in a god.
The topic is the age of the Earth. If you have nothing to add to that topic then start a new topic.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I don't like your idea even though i don't have a clue what side i'm on
"Why do you deem that Pluto has no purpose."
Because you say nothing else has, why should Pluto be more important than us? We have feelings, life and Intelligence. Pluto is just a tiny planet, we are a race. The problem is, you've just turned into a completely useless corner, what is the point of this question?
"You presume the soul to be a wholly Christian concept. That is fallacy. One does not need to believe in your god or any god at all to believe in the concept of a soul. One does not need to believe in your concept of a soul to believe in a concept of a soul. One does not have to believe in a soul at all to believe life has meaning and/or purpose. [b]One does not have to believe in your god to believe in a god."
No i don't say this is a completely Christian concept, I say it was a religion which first ever brought up the spirit, there would be no point in having a soul if you didn't need one. 😖
Can you stop saying all this is just my point of view? It is infact the view of the church i go to, they'd agree with it. I don't get where you keep pulling out all this stuff about 'my view' when you don't even know if all the christians in my town believe in it.
So you think the world doesn't revolve around reason? Then why believe science? As that is what science is all about, why does the moon completely cover the sun? How did the universe begin? It's all about finding a reason for things to happen. Unlike evolution which doesn't even have any proof. (I repeat: God works WITH science)
You won't find the meaning to the universe if there wasn't one to make it.
It is infact the view of the church i go to, they'd agree with it.more like you agreeing with the church you attend then the other way around..............what church/denomination is it if I may ask
Unlike evolution which doesn't even have any proof. (I repeat: God works WITH science)as for proof if it is about proof evolution vs christianity, the score is 10-0 in the favor of the evolution
Originally posted by finti
more like you agreeing with the church you attend then the other way around..............what church/denomination is it if I may askas for proof if it is about proof evolution vs christianity, the score is 10-0 in the favor of the evolution
You mean 8-3 as there are many christians which disagree and there are also those non-christians who don't agree with any.
But all this is because creation from genesis is more realistic, but most scientists didn't want that so they started agreeing with something which is less realistic such as evolution, and some are so anti-christian they'd agree with evolution.
Originally posted by Chibi Boy
My mind is completely closed. Nonsensical ramblings, mixture of presumptuous and/or ignorant incoherent statements etc etc. I refuse to take off my god goggles for a single moment and see things from another person's point of view.
I realise you think that if someone doesn't believe in your god that they cannot believe that life has meaning or life has purpose or that humans have a soul. That is your view and according to you the view of your Church.
You don't seem to accept it when I state I do not believe in your god, yet I can believe that life has meaning and life has purpose and that humans have a soul. You presume that my lack of belief in your god means that I do not believe in such philosophical concepts, and you base your argument on this misconception making your arguments null and void.
Pluto contributes to the matter of the universe, it contributes to gravitational force, thus it affects energy and other matter in the universe. Thus it has a purpose in the universe. It may seem inconsequential to your life, and thus in your mind where humans are the be-all-and-end-all it may serve no purpose, but if the matter of Pluto and the energy contained within were to disappear it would fundamentally change the universe. You cannot use the words purpose, meaning and soul interchangeably.
Simply because you don't accept proof when presented with it doesn't mean that proof doesn't exist. Show me your proof of the existence of the Christian god... oh thats right. There isn't any.
Creationism is more realistic than evolution. 😆 😆 😆
Originally posted by finti
who said it needs to have meaning
I wish the doh emoticion worked, i'd use it ALOT.Because to learn about the universe so far we have used meaning, and it has worked. Things burn BECAUSE they are vibrating fast yet little. We get sunburn BECAUSE of the suns rays etc etc. So what seperates the universe from what's in it?
You mean 8-3no 10-0, there are no evidence or proof to back up the divine claims of the bible, none
But all this is because creation from genesis is more realisticonly if you need to explain our origin to a 3 year old
but most scientists didn't want that so they started agreeing with something which is less realistic such as evolution,its not what they wanted to agree on it is in what they found out
We get sunburn BECAUSE of the suns rays etc etcthat is a fact not a reason.
Originally posted by finti
no 10-0, there are no evidence or proof to back up the divine claims of the bible, noneonly if you need to explain our origin to a 3 year old
its not what they wanted to agree on it is in what they found out
that is a fact not a reason.
"that is a fact not a reason." Don't confuse yourself. 😆
We were made BECAUSE god made us. God made us TO live happily.
We get sunburn BECAUSE we stay in the sun too long. IF we stay in the sun too long we will get burnt.
Originally posted by finti
no 10-0, there are no evidence or proof to back up the divine claims of the bible, noneonly if you need to explain our origin to a 3 year old
its not what they wanted to agree on it is in what they found out
that is a fact not a reason.
"only if you need to explain our origin to a 3 year old" That's what you think.
"its not what they wanted to agree on it is in what they found out" That's your view, but i'll think you'll find some don't want to believe in god so they pretend he doesn't exist.