Originally posted by Fishy
Doesn't matter Vader would still win... His control of the force is greater and his lightsaber skills (although they suck in the movies) are not that bad either...The only reason he lost from Luke was because he tripped over his cape after deciding he didn't want to fight back on Endor... Vader never wanted to kill Luke he would have no problem with killing Kyle.
Vader didn't want to kill Luke but he didn't want to lose either. Luke had him outclassed in every category. The books say it, the movie shows it, and Lucas says it. The entire fight Luke was dominating with ease. Vader had no chance so Kyle would spank him.
Again with an idiot posting false crappy opinions. You have no idea how many dark Jedi he's beat do you? hundreds. He's beaten dark Jedi that were nearly Sith lords. Luke had some trouble against a dark Jedi that Kyle later beat. Kyle draws from both sides of the Force, mastering lightning and choke along with many others. Does Vader have lightning? No. Did Vader get his ass whooped by a Jedi knight? Yes. Is kyle a Jedi master? Yes.
Good points Emperor Revan. Oh yeah. Look, Kyle Katarn is like Luke's partner, Kyle is just stronger then Luke. Could Vader use weapons like blasters as masterfully as Kyle? No, Kyle was a former bounty hunter. Now he is a jedi master. Even much more powerful then before. Kyle Katarn has many forcepowers that Vader would never have. Lightning, Absorb, Protect, heck, Kyle can use the force to jump much higher the Vader, and after all that, Kyle uses Style I to fight, the fastest but lightest style. It would completely ow3n Vader.
You guys think Kyle Katarn could take Darth Vader?...Guys c'mon this is like putting ESB Luke against Darth Revan. Kyle is not even a Jedi Master...he might of been in JA, but in JO he got the Force from the Valley of the Jedi...and him defeating Jerec was more of luck I think.
If you guys say Kyle can win over Vader...whats next? Younglings can beat Yoda?
Kyle killed Jerec with ease! Play Dark Forces againa nd you will see it.
And the Kyle Katarn I'm talking in this fight is the Kyle Katarn overall. The last time we saw him was in Jedi Academy, so there. Kyle Katarn is a powerful Jedi Master. He defeated maaaaaaaany sith. And I think Dessan is very close to being the same sith as Vader.
Originally posted by Darth Plagues
You guys think Kyle Katarn could take Darth Vader?...Guys c'mon this is like putting ESB Luke against Darth Revan. Kyle is not even a Jedi Master...he might of been in JA, but in JO he got the Force from the Valley of the Jedi...and him defeating Jerec was more of luck I think.If you guys say Kyle can win over Vader...whats next? Younglings can beat Yoda?
This is Kyle as a master. He wasn't even a master when he defeated Jerec and yes he did to it with ease (though I don't know how). Kyle has fought thousands of beings and defeated them all. The only fight he lost is against Desann when he didn't have the Force. He trained Mara, Vader even said the Force is strong with him, etc.
Again, ROTJ Luke whooped Vader with ease as a Jedi knight, then when Luke's a master and much stronger he did have some difficulty against Desann even though the fight wasn't finished. Now Kyle as a Jedi Master defeated Desann. Heck, all he would need is Force lightning, it took maybe 5 seconds of the Emperor's to destroy Vader, maybe 10 seconds of Kyle's...
rotj luke is better than kyle how can you even compare them ?? luke braught his father back to the lightside again, he wasent manipulated to go to the darkside.he faught a gallant battle with vader and he did come out victorious. he was smarter and better. i think that kyle katarn cannot defeat vader it just dozent make sence..but if you think about it, those 1980 style movies were hard to make the lightsaber duels quick, that is the reason why vader fights slow.
Buddy Kyle Katarn had admitted to be on the Dark Side...play Dark Forces again. "The dark side? I've been there." And the reason he gave his lightsaber to Luke is, because he feared going to the dark side again.
Like said above...How can you compare ROTJ Luke Skywalker to Kyle Katarn? ROTJ Luke Skywalker is equal to Darth Vader (GL said this)...and come on...we know Kyle can't beat Luke, so therefore the same with Vader.
People on this forum have underestimated Darth Vader drastically. Kyle Katarn did not defeat Jerec with ease! What version of "Dark Forces II" have y'all been playing? The fight lasted a good while, Kyle defeating Jerec was more of luck. No its not because Jerec was weak. He had Force abilities that got past Darth Sidious himself.
Just a question thats off the subject...Why didn't either Kyle Katarn or Jedi Master Qu Rhan seek Luke Skywalker's help in the matter? Luke had the ability to make himself a void through the Force (That's why Darth Vader couldn't find him when he was hiding possibly)...He could have done this power and defeated Jerec without even a struggle.
Even better, so Kyle Katarn resisted the Dark Side while being fully drained to it. There was no luck when Kyle defeated Jeric. Kyle was just better than him, in most everything, lightsabre skills, weaponry blaster skills, god even forcepowers since he knew it from both sides. Kyle can beat Luke, so his stronger than Darth Vader.
Originally posted by Darth Plagues
Buddy Kyle Katarn had admitted to be on the Dark Side...play Dark Forces again. "The dark side? I've been there." And the reason he gave his lightsaber to Luke is, because he feared going to the dark side again.Like said above...How can you compare ROTJ Luke Skywalker to Kyle Katarn? ROTJ Luke Skywalker is equal to Darth Vader (GL said this)...and come on...we know Kyle can't beat Luke, so therefore the same with Vader.
People on this forum have underestimated Darth Vader drastically. Kyle Katarn did not defeat Jerec with ease! What version of "Dark Forces II" have y'all been playing? The fight lasted a good while, Kyle defeating Jerec was more of luck. No its not because Jerec was weak. He had Force abilities that got past Darth Sidious himself.
Just a question thats off the subject...Why didn't either Kyle Katarn or Jedi Master Qu Rhan seek Luke Skywalker's help in the matter? Luke had the ability to make himself a void through the Force (That's why Darth Vader couldn't find him when he was hiding possibly)...He could have done this power and defeated Jerec without even a struggle.
ROTJ Luke is good but he can't beat Jedi master Kyle. And no, Luke didn't lose to Desann, he had a little troubel though and by then he was much stronger than ROTJ. Kyle beat Desann, Jerec, (both of whom had gone through the valley of the Jedi), Boba Fett, a phase 3 dark trooper, and is as strong as Jaden who was able to defeat Marka's spirit who was inside a dark Jedi master's body and even had a sith sword.
Next, Vader is not equal with ROTJ Luke. Read the novel, watch the movie, whatever. Luke owned Vader with ease.
Now let's see, what does Vader have that Kyle doesnt?
Force powers? No, Kyle wins that.
Speed? No, Kyle wins that.
lightsaber skills? No, Kyle wins that too.
Labored breathing? Yes, Vader wins that.
Kyle could just fry him with electricity if nothing else.