Kyle Katarn vs Darth Vader

Darth Vader is a brilliant strategist and one of the greatest pilots in the galaxy. Vader still possesses his former persona's amazing engineering skills, having overseen the design of the TIE/Advanced fighter. His talent with the lightsaber is legendary. All of these skills are secondary to his incredible mastery of the Force.

Kyle Katarn won't even come close. People on this forum have underestimated Darth Vader drastically. His lightsaber skills are legendary! And his mastery of the Force is incredible! He believed in his own skills so much he denied to put cortosis in his armor suit (Cortosis is a small mineral that can block lightsabers)

Most of you have argued that he was defeated with ease by Luke Skywalker. No he was not...Luke himself is incrediably strong, and how would you feel about murdering your own son in a duel? Vader didn't do his full potential in any of the duels with Luke. In ESB he was trying to capture Luke and had feeling for him then. In ROTJ he had possibly more feeling for him, because he was picking up Luke's presence as he was on the Imperial cruiser traveling to Endor...which even Sidious couldn't feel. Right there that tells us Darth Vader's feelings on the matter were not clear and even later the Emperor asks him..."Are you feelings on the matter clear, Lord Vader?"

Darth Vader purged all the Jedi, but a few, which provided no threat to the Empire anyway. Kyle is not even close to this great Sith Lord...

You're biased. Brilliant strategist? Yeah right. Then why is Tarkin higher than him? one of the greatest pilots, yeah that is right. Legendary lightsaber skills? Old Obi was giving him a good fight. He got beat by his son who was barely a Jedi knight in 40 seconds. Do you see how slow he moves it? Incredible mastery of the Force? From what? he can move objects, choke people, and throw his lightsaber (even though it didn't come back to him.) Kyle can use Force speed, Force lightning, choke people and lift them in the air at the same time, move objects, throw his lightsaber with it coming back to him, heal, mind trick, and force jump.

Uh, did you see episode three? When they made that suit that was the last thing on his mind. Secondly there were no Jedi left basically so why put it there? Thirdly, Vader also believed he could turn Luke and that didn't happen.

Dude, the movies show Luke whooping him, the books say that Luke was stronger, and Lucas says so. No Vader didn't want to kill Luke but Luke didn't want to kill Vader. He was trying even less than Vader was and he won easily.

Purged all the Jedi? Again, have you seen episode three? I saw clones killing all the council members and I saw thousands of clones behind Anakin when he went into the Jedi temple. Sure he killed some younglings and probably a few others but he didn't fight anyone all that powerful.

Stop making up crap and learn this isn't a popularity contest, even if you want someone to be stronger and they're not, you should argue who would actually win. And you haven't given one good reason as to why he would win. You think Kyle would have no chance against Vader yet, look at the poll.

I'm not making this stuff up...I got all that information on Wikipedia.com...the same place where you Emperor Revan get your information on Darth Revan...good job in slamming your own source!

Darth Vader wins, because I say agian...

Darth Vader is a brilliant strategist and one of the greatest pilots in the galaxy. Vader still possesses his former persona's amazing engineering skills, having overseen the design of the TIE/Advanced fighter. His talent with the lightsaber is legendary. All of these skills, however, are secondary to his incredible mastery of the Force.

Kyle Katarn won't even come close. People on this forum have underestimated Darth Vader drastically. His lightsaber skills are legendary! And his mastery of the Force is incredible! He believed in his own skills so much he denied to put cortosis in his armor suit (Cortosis is a small mineral that can block lightsabers), which he was given the oppritunity. (Look on Wikipedia Emperor Revan)

Most of you have argued that he was defeated with ease by Luke Skywalker. No he was not...Luke himself is incrediably strong, and how would you feel about murdering your own son in a duel? Vader didn't do his full potential in any of the duels with Luke. In ESB he was trying to capture Luke and had feeling for him then. In ROTJ he had possibly more feeling for him, because he was picking up Luke's presence as he was on the Imperial cruiser traveling to Endor...which even Sidious couldn't feel. Right there that tells us Darth Vader's feelings on the matter were not clear.

You fool, I don't get anything about Revan from Wikipedia except where it says "considered by many to be the most powerful Sith lord of all time". I knew all the rest about him.

I can see you have no sense of logic and if you couldn't come up with better reasons than that you might as well of posted for Kyle since it's saying "I'm a Vader supporter and this other guy has shut down all my reasons but I can't think of any others and I don't want to change my mind."

All I can say leaving is you're a stupid newb hypocrite that acts like a spoiled child. You won't listen to others, your mind can't be changed, and you think you're always right. Later newb.

Wow...should I really waste my time in getting mad on your insults? Call me what you want, but I don't care. You found something on Darth Revan at wikipedia that claims he's "one of the strongest Sith to ever live"...so I get something off the same site that supports Darth Vader that says he was powerful. You had no reply to defend Kyle after that so...shut up. Once you run out of something to defend your character with you rely on insults and very poor ones too. "Newb"? Come on lets not be so stupid...I know little kids that can throw insults like that... 😆

Now back on subject. On Wikipedia.com, which relies on facts here is why Darth Vader would win...

Darth Vader is a brilliant strategist and one of the greatest pilots in the galaxy. Vader still possesses his former persona's amazing engineering skills, having overseen the design of the TIE/Advanced fighter. His talent with the lightsaber is legendary. All of these skills, however, are secondary to his incredible mastery of the Force.

(C'mon Emperor Revan...what do you have that can prove Kyle can kill Darth Vader. You used the same site I did to prove something on your character Revan, but now that I use it...it means nothing...very pathetic 🤨 )

What does Revan have to do with Kyle vs. Vader. Help me out here.

Emperor Revan used Wikipedia.com as a source at one time to say Darth Revan "is one of the strongest Sith Lords of all time"...but now that I use it to prove Darth Vader could win over Kyle, he doesn't want to believe it, so in turn with nothing else to defend Kyle Katarn he throws insults at me. Very poor insults at that.

So Emperor Revan now that you have claimed...

"I can see you have no sense of logic and if you couldn't come up with better reasons than that you might as well of posted for Kyle since it's saying "I'm a Vader supporter and this other guy has shut down all my reasons but I can't think of any others and I don't want to change my mind."

Its more the other way around. I used research to prove Darth Vader would win and is very powerful (Same site you used) and you had nothing else to defend Kyle Katarn with, so you the one that results staying one minded and also results in throwing insults on the matter to substitute you not being able to think of anything that can say Kyle can win. I have given proof and here it is again...

Darth Vader would win, because...

Darth Vader is a brilliant strategist and one of the greatest pilots in the galaxy. Vader still possesses his former persona's amazing engineering skills, having overseen the design of the TIE/Advanced fighter. His talent with the lightsaber is legendary. All of these skills, however, are secondary to his incredible mastery of the Force.

Source: Wikipedia.com (Search there and all this info will be there)

I thought you were talking about Kotor Revan not the user. But you will never know if Kyle would beat Vader or vice versa. After all Vader isn't perfect.

Originally posted by Darth Plagues
Wow...should I really waste my time in getting mad on your insults? Call me what you want, but I don't care. You found something on Darth Revan at wikipedia that claims he's "one of the strongest Sith to ever live"...so I get something off the same site that supports Darth Vader that says he was powerful. You had no reply to defend Kyle after that so...shut up. Once you run out of something to defend your character with you rely on insults and very poor ones too. "Newb"? Come on lets not be so stupid...I know little kids that can throw insults like that... 😆

Now back on subject. On Wikipedia.com, which relies on facts here is why Darth Vader would win...

Darth Vader is a brilliant strategist and one of the greatest pilots in the galaxy. Vader still possesses his former persona's amazing engineering skills, having overseen the design of the TIE/Advanced fighter. His talent with the lightsaber is legendary. All of these skills, however, are secondary to his incredible mastery of the Force.

Oh and you DIDN'T PROVE Vader could beat Kyle. Not by a long shot.
(C'mon Emperor Revan...what do you have that can prove Kyle can kill Darth Vader. You used the same site I did to prove something on your character Revan, but now that I use it...it means nothing...very pathetic 🤨 )

Are you kidding? What was different from your last post to your first post? It looked like the same stuff to me. Is that a quote from Wikipedia? You really got to tell me that, I thought you were pulling that out of your ass. Anyway, I already have. Read my first post. Vader's slow as hell and get's beat by a Jedi knight. Kyle's a powerful Jedi master that trained Mara, and killed two dark Jedi who were nearly Sith lords. He was stronger than Ragnos' spirit who had posessed a dark Jedi master and had a sith sword. He killed a phase 3 dark trooper and defeated Boba Fett before he even got Force powers. He also got more powerful from when he killed Desann.

Oh and you DID NOT PROVE that Vader could beat Kyle. Not even close.

By the way, using the same logic you just used to "prove" Vader was stronger than Kyle, I can use the same to "prove" Lord Revan is the strongest Sith lord. It doesn't say anything about most powerful on any other Sith lord on the site, including Ragnos. So if you think you "proved" that Vader is stronger than Kyle with Wikipedia alone then you're also "proving" that Revan is the strongest Sith lord of all time.

I'm not denying Kyle Katarn is strong...he is...taking down seven Dark Jedi without any additional training is not a small task. But we must keep in mind Darth Vader may be slow, however he does have very powerful lightsaber talents and strong Force abilities, Wikipedia points this out for us. Kyle could hold his ground as a Jedi Master, but still Darth Vader could come through. Look at everything Darth Vader has done compared to Kyle Katarn...Vader is far greater.

George Lucas states that his injuries on Mustafar (including the severing of all three of his remaining limbs) cost Vader much of his Force potential. Lucas claims that, as a masked and suited Darth Vader, Anakin has roughly 80% the strength of the Emperor. This may have been a great decrease of his potential, but Wikipedia has said Darth Sidious is "The greatest Dark Lord of the Sith"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darth_Sidious#Dark_Empire

(Read the last sentence under the "Dark Empire" article)

Now I liked your first paragraph. you give thought out reasons and show that Vader does have certain weaknesses and Kyle is powerful. At the very least it would be a good fight.

As for Wikipedia, I can find several faults in it. I never said it was the best source of information and always accurate. I know many things that are false but it is a good source of information none the less. I used its quote because it wasn't always there. It used to say he was one of the most powerful, but now it doesn't. And the "thought by many..." quote is of course, just thought by many, not necessarily the most powerful.

I'm not denying Vader's powerful and I think he can take most Jedi masters, but Kyle uses both sides of the Force and is incredibly powerful. And don't get me wrong, I think it would be a tough fight. As for Sidious being the greatest dark lord of the Sith, that's true, he was the only one to fully take control of the galaxy. He will be the most remembered Sith lord for his accomplishment. But it doesn't say most powerful like Revan.

Emperor Revan, i got your back.

Darth Plagues, you've been reading all those cool things about Vader on that source?

Read this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Katarn

It even mentions, that Darth Vader himself, said that Kyle Katarn's potential in force was great. He also sabotaged a Death Star, which is a verrry hard task. He fought Dark Troopers,

2Tidus I have already look up information on Kyle. I always look at both sides, before making a decision...Emperor Revan I know Sidious is not the most powerful Sith Lord I was just pointing out that he's not weak and fragile.

Thanks 2Tidus! 😎

And Plagues: Yeah I know Palpatine isn't weak, I rank him about 8th or so. But I also think Kyle has a little more than 80% of Palpy's power in ROTJ since Palps would've gotten weaker since ROTS.

Well the duel would be close...no matter who wins.

Look people, Kyle could defeat Marco Ragnos. Own him actually. If his apprentice, defeated Marco Ragnos and after that confronted him, Kyle would've won and either killed Jaiden or turn him to the light side if it weren't for the septer. I think it was a cheap shot made by Jaiden with the septer. And I think Marco Ragnos could destroy Darth Vader very easily. Therefore Kyle could destroy Vader.

That was Marka's spirit and we all know that a spirit isn't nearly as strong as the person was when they were alive.

And Plagues: I agree, that's all I was trying to convince you of anyway. I just got irritated when you compared this to Yoda fighting younglings because this fight would be close.

Actually Jaden didn't defeat Marka Ragnos, but defeated Tavion alone...

Approximately four thousand years after the war of Exar Kun, Marka Ragnos's spirit once again returned from beyond the grave, this time summoned by a Sith cult known as the Disciples of Ragnos whose leader was Tavion, Desaan's student. Though this cult was eventually defeated, with Jaden Korr defeating Tavion, Ragnos's ghost escaped back to his tomb on Korriban, where he remains with the rest of the ancient Dark Lords, waiting to arise and threaten the galaxy again.

(Source: Wikipedia)

I was exaggerating when I said the Yoda vs. Younglings thing.