David Icke

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Which is clearly what he is. Posting beliefs like that makes one question the intelligence of the whole human race, that such beliefs could be spawned. No matter what the dogmatic and desperate claims of this tiny minority, nothing they say even comes close to achieving one tiny iota of intellectual rigour, or scientific/historical evidence., Yet they cling to it, desperate to believe in their own superioirty that they somehow know a 'truth' that the rest of the world does not.

And WHEN the rest of the world does not, all they can do is name call and whine, and believe that everyone else is somehow ignorant and/or brainwashed, and for some reason I cannot define, cannot simply come to the obvious conclusion that the reason no-one else believes it is because it is all such clear and utter bollocks.

"no historical/scientific evidence"?

There is a huge ammount of BOTH and its backs up everything within the global conspiracy.

Read the book or shut the **** up.

Read it. Contempt for it. Contempt for anyone who lacks the basic common sense to see that. Pile of crap, all of it.

Originally posted by Novusordo
"no historical/scientific evidence"?

There is a huge ammount of BOTH and its backs up everything within the global conspiracy.

Read the book or shut the **** up.

You see, one of your main follies is that you have put all your faith in a nutcase like Icke, whereas other intelligent members of this board go to more than one resource to obtain and evaluate information.

We research, you read insane propaganda. It's pretty simple.

I would but thats just because I know I am a prick...

Now back on topic. You claim Babylonians ruled the world right.

Well their first appearance was made in the 24th centuary BC.
Egypt by that time had been around for 600 years, well the powerful Egypt had been it lasted until about 2150 BC or something like that.

After that Egypt got another Royal family directed related to that Dynasty and continued hte line. The lizards couldn't have come in since the Egyptian power and with the power the Egyptians had at that time the Lizards obviously missed their goal. They didn't infleunce a lot of our culture at the very least. So really if they are foolish enough to miss something like Egypt because they stay in something that falls like Babylonia then I wouldn't worry about them to much.

Political ambitions aside, big lizards can be made into nice cowboy boots.

Originally posted by Novusordo

So, the Bible must be true too if we're going by ancient texts. And it says there is only one God who created everything. Same with Jewish texts. Islam, ditto. The mormons use a salamander as their god. A little bit contradictory here.

And its also absolutely impossible for the process of an enitity to take posession of oneself when it happens to hundreds of people every year and requires an exism from a preist.

Possession by spirits hasn't been scientifically proven. In fact, people who are "possessed" have been identified only by religious individuals, not scientists.

And its also impossible for the process of shapeshifting from one form to another to happen when the cutting edge of science, Quantum Physics, says it can.

Quantum physics? Many theories that have yet to be proven. I'm not saying the shapeshifting isn't possible, but we have never seen it on a grand scales, say a toaster changing into a Swedish supermodel.

Oh and not to forget that the royal families of Europe like the Windsors are absolutely obsessed with dragons and other reptilian-like creatures as most of the royal regalia has some sort of Babylonian symbol of Nimrod or Tammuz or of a reptilian like dragon figure.

Could it be that for centuries, the dragon has represented power? A mythological creature that seems to have caught on. Much like the lightsaber and the Superman S.

You see, its not so ridiculous once you know how possible it all is, prick.

Yes, it is ridiculous.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I doubt the validity of the research done. These geneology charts were made by people in order to support ridiculous theories.

Err, mainstream genaoloigsts support this.

36 presidents of the US are related to King Alfred the Great of England or Chamerlange and they are in-turn related to the "Black Nobility" of Europe and its this black nobility that moved out from the Mespontamia region where babylon and Sumer, where they were the ruling bloodlines.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
THEN IT MUST BE TRUE!!!! Historical texts are historical texts. Not Historically accurate texts. Seee the difference one word can make?

The Sumerian texts, the Dead Sea Scrolls, The Book of Enoch & Lamech and numerous Gospels which make up the Bible including the Old Testiment KEEP REPEATING THE SAME RE_OCCURING THEME OF "GODS" DESCENDING FROM THE "HEAVENS" TO INTERBRED WITH HUMAN WOMAN TO CREATE NEFILIM BLOODLINES WHICH WENT ON TO BECOME THE KINGS OF SUMER, BABYLON AND EGYPT!

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Yes, I believe that demonic possession is not real. You use preists performing exorcism to support your arguement yet in other posts you state that organized religions are a sham. Make up your mind please.

Phew I'm glad you beleive posession is real as thats one less sub-subject I have to endure educating you on.

Anyway, I dont see you're logic in saying that becuase I beleive preists perform exorsisms, I must then agree with religion?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
PLease show me the research where credible science has stated that shapeshifting is possible. With every arguement you tend to seem a bit more nuttier.

Quamtum Physics says the world is created by vibrational frequencies and the resonance that theese frquencies resonate at, determines its physical manefistation.

If you can manipulate the resonance, you can take another form. It's that simple.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
POh, no, can't forget that. Actually, I might. Once again, can I have the research that will show me that the Windsors are obsessed with dragons and other reptillian creatures please?

Want the research? Read the book I linked to.

If you look at the regalia the Royalty and Aristocracy familes have, you will see they are all Babylonian symbolism of serpents, dragons, gargoyles or other reptilian creatures.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
You have yet to make a statement that does not appear ridiculous to even the remotely educated or partially sane. One more instance of name calling and you will be reported.

Educated people are highly indoctrinated into the secular, and tunnel-visioned version of reality and have rigid views and beliefs that make up their foundation and perception of the world and thus, they cannot and will not go anywhere outside that of the mainstream and official.

The whole education system is controlled by the Illuminati bloodlines like the rockefellar family that is the, what I call, "bloodline-branch managers" of the United States of behalf of the Windsor royal family and other highly powerful aristocratic bloodlines such as the Saint Clair's and Du Pont,s.

The scientific research arena is told what to research and what not to otherwise they cease to be funded.

Basicly what I'm saying is that everything is controlled by them and so it gives them the ability to control what information gets out and what does not get out.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
It's all rubbish. I've seen this stuff, I have seen how hastily and stupidly it has been put together, the efforts of people with the mentality of an attention seeking child, making conspiracies out of thin air and not paying any attention to decent research or even simple causality and logic in arguments. I thought Holy Blood + Holy Grail was bad, but this kind of stuff really does make me question my faith in humanity.

Everything put forward, if it stands at all, which it barely does at most, can be demoilished by any reasonably competent teenager who checks these things out. To enter them as serious argument is insulting to all.

Holy Blood holy grail was full of dis-information put out by Plantard who intentionall associated the Priory of Sion with the bloodline of Jesus Christ to side-track gowing public attention on the secret society.

The true purpose of the Priory of Sion (Sun) is to maintain the black nobility bloodlines of Europe in the seats of power like the Mervovingian.

And cont beleive the Merovingian bloodline being that of jesus.

jesus never existed, anyway.

Extraordinary cliams require extraordinary evidence. You aren't even providing crappy evidence. You are providing no good evidence at all. Did you ever LOOK at the sources Icke was using? 3/4s of them are similar nonsense pieces that have been totally panned by actual experts in the filed for their total lack of sense, being filled with opinionated, biased nonsense.

The only reason to believe this sutff is to think he is right and everyone else is wrong, for no other reason than you want to. That is called blind faith, and it is a silly position to hold in any circumstance.

How skewed! Plantard never planted that evidence. The originators of the hoax distanced themselves from HBHG's conclusions immediately. It was the authors who made up the Christ link.

Originally posted by Novusordo

[B]36 presidents of the US are related to King Alfred the Great of England or Chamerlange and they are in-turn related to the "Black Nobility" of Europe and its this black nobility that moved out from the Mespontamia region where babylon and Sumer, where they were the ruling bloodlines.

OMG! All US presidents are descended from Adam and Eve! It's a conspiracy!

The Sumerian texts, the Dead Sea Scrolls, The Book of Enoch & Lamech and numerous Gospels which make up the Bible including the Old Testiment KEEP REPEATING THE SAME RE_OCCURING THEME OF "GODS" DESCENDING FROM THE "HEAVENS" TO INTERBRED WITH HUMAN WOMAN TO CREATE NEFILIM BLOODLINES WHICH WENT ON TO BECOME THE KINGS OF SUMER, BABYLON AND EGYPT!

No, the Old Testament talks of ONE God, not many. The gospels focus on Jesus Christ, the Son of God. There is nothing in the bible about "many Gods."

Quamtum Physics says the world is created by vibrational frequencies and the resonance that theese frquencies resonate at, determines its physical manefistation.

If you can manipulate the resonance, you can take another form. It's that simple.

It is not proven, nor has it been observed in natural surroundings.

If you look at the regalia the Royalty and Aristocracy familes have, you will see they are all Babylonian symbolism of serpents, dragons, gargoyles or other reptilian creatures.

You are correct. But it is a nod to mythology and old beliefs.

The whole education system is controlled by the Illuminati bloodlines like the rockefellar family that is the, what I call, "bloodline-branch managers" of the United States of behalf of the Windsor royal family and other highly powerful aristocratic bloodlines such as the Saint Clair's and Du Pont,s.

That is completely nonsense. The Illuminati is a fabrication. It does not exist.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Extraordinary cliams require extraordinary evidence. You aren't even providing crappy evidence. You are providing no good evidence at all. Did you ever LOOK at the sources Icke was using? 3/4s of them are similar nonsense pieces that have been totally panned by actual experts in the filed for their total lack of sense, being filled with opinionated, biased nonsense.

The only reason to believe this sutff is to think he is right and everyone else is wrong, for no other reason than you want to. That is called blind faith, and it is a silly position to hold in any circumstance.

Well comon, you cant expect ALL his sources to be mainstream offical ones since the global conspiracy is nothing less than THE most closely guarded secret throught history.

Very few people know the full extent of it all yet many hundreds of millions know little pieces here and there.

So your position is, basically,. that to be able to believe in it you need to be able to believe in it?

If you cannot offer sufficient sources that support it, how the heck can you ever expect anyone to believe it? ANY muppet can come up with a conspiracy story that cannot be supported. Any intelligent rationale states that something has to be properly evidenced to be believed.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
So your position is, basically,. that to be able to believe in it you need to be able to believe in it?

If you cannot offer sufficient sources that support it, how the heck can you ever expect anyone to believe it? ANY muppet can come up with a conspiracy story that cannot be supported. Any intelligent rationale states that something has to be properly evidenced to be believed.

The evidence that there is available that support the global conspiracy and everything init is much more than enough to fully believe it exists.

Icke cant say the stuff he says regarding the ammount of people/events/ect he talks about and make it up 🙄

Well yes he can, actually. It's incredibly easy. Just listen to Dan Brown.

There isn't anything approaching that evidence. You just admitted yourself that Icke cannt back it up with enough good sources. You are asking that, for people to believe Icke, they must discount the use of proper sources. That is beyond the area of scientific rationality.

Originally posted by Novusordo
The evidence that there is available that support the global conspiracy and everything init is much more than enough to fully believe it exists.

Icke cant say the stuff he says regarding the ammount of people/events/ect he talks about and make it up 🙄

Show proof. Not skewed proof, real unadulterated proof.

Originally posted by Novusordo
Err, mainstream genaoloigsts support this.

36 presidents of the US are related to King Alfred the Great of England or Chamerlange and they are in-turn related to the "Black Nobility" of Europe and its this black nobility that moved out from the Mespontamia region where babylon and Sumer, where they were the ruling bloodlines.

My best retort to this is......Baloney. Heck I can prove that I was related to Goliath if I want to. We're both tall guys. Anyone can make claims like that and fabricate the info to back it up.

Originally posted by Novusordo
The Sumerian texts, the Dead Sea Scrolls, The Book of Enoch & Lamech and numerous Gospels which make up the Bible including the Old Testiment KEEP REPEATING THE SAME RE_OCCURING THEME OF "GODS" DESCENDING FROM THE "HEAVENS" TO INTERBRED WITH HUMAN WOMAN TO CREATE NEFILIM BLOODLINES WHICH WENT ON TO BECOME THE KINGS OF SUMER, BABYLON AND EGYPT!

I revert back to my baloney defense as it holds as much water as does yours.

Originally posted by Novusordo
Phew I'm glad you beleive posession is real as thats one less sub-subject I have to endure educating you on.

Anyway, I dont see you're logic in saying that becuase I beleive preists perform exorsisms, I must then agree with religion?

I see you problem, it's comprehension. I said that , "I believe that demonic possession is not real." Learn to read Einstien.

Originally posted by Novusordo
Quamtum Physics says the world is created by vibrational frequencies and the resonance that theese frquencies resonate at, determines its physical manefistation.

If you can manipulate the resonance, you can take another form. It's that simple.

I see, you are speaking of qwamtum physics. That may be so, but I have not seen any Quantum studies that support those theories.

Originally posted by Novusordo
Want the research? Read the book I linked to.

I require more than one book, one source or one author. RESEARCH IS MORE THAN READING THE WORKS OF ICKE.

Originally posted by Novusordo
If you look at the regalia the Royalty and Aristocracy familes have, you will see they are all Babylonian symbolism of serpents, dragons, gargoyles or other reptilian creatures.

I believe Oswald explained this for you.

Originally posted by Novusordo
Educated people are highly indoctrinated into the secular, and tunnel-visioned version of reality and have rigid views and beliefs that make up their foundation and perception of the world and thus, they cannot and will not go anywhere outside that of the mainstream and official.

No, educated people are taught to learn for themselves.

Originally posted by Novusordo

Basicly what I'm saying is that everything is controlled by them and so it gives them the ability to control what information gets out and what does not get out.

And basically I am saying that you are incredibly misinformed and a wee bit scarey.

Originally posted by Novusordo
The true purpose of the Priory of Sion (Sun) is to maintain the black nobility bloodlines of Europe in the seats of power like the Mervovingian

By the way, Priory of Sion was an admitted hoax. Read up on that and embarass yourself some more.

And I'll ask again:

Why has not a single person Icke and many other researchers have claimed to be involved with child abuse, child ritual abuse or satanic activities or child murder ever sue'd him for character-defamation?

For instance, icke and countless others say that father Bush and Henry Kissinger are killed abusers and have killed countless poeple including children in satanic child abuse.

Why haven't they sue'd him?

Originally posted by Novusordo
And I'll ask again:

Why has not a single person Icke and many other researchers have claimed to be involved with child abuse, child ritual abuse or satanic activities or child murder ever sue'd him for character-defamation?

For instance, icke and countless others say that father Bush and Henry Kissinger are killed abusers and have killed countless poeple including children in satanic child abuse.

Why haven't they sue'd him?

Countless others? Name them. Icke wasn't worthy of a lawsuit. Defamamtion only works if the majority believes.

Originally posted by Novusordo
And I'll ask again:

Why has not a single person Icke and many other researchers have claimed to be involved with child abuse, child ritual abuse or satanic activities or child murder ever sue'd him for character-defamation?

For instance, icke and countless others say that father Bush and Henry Kissinger are killed abusers and have killed countless poeple including children in satanic child abuse.

Why haven't they sue'd him?

Because he is insane and no one is romotely believing his insane ramblings but simple minded fools. There is no need to sue someone who, by and large, is completely insane and ignored.