Originally posted by Darth Somebody
I do agree. This has no place on a versus thread. But let me impart to you on my unsolicited "two cents".Fishy, you apparently neglect the fact that Revan's strategies failed. But Sidious's strategies did. Call it underhanded, unfair, or weak. But it was Palpatine who brought the Sith Order's goals to achievement - not Darth Revan. His methods were better, otherwise those of the other Dark Lords' would have worked.
He is - in effect - the most successful Sith Lord to date. Revan may have been more powerful, but overall, he failed to accomplish his Order's goals.
Palpatine - was a master of deception, manipulation, and control. The Sith gained control of the galaxy because of Palpatine. Revan, for all his tactical brilliance, failed.
Hey I never claimed that what Sidious didn't work it worked and it worked great... But I still think he was weak, thats my oppinion. I don't respect people like that, Sidious IMO was a coward because he was afraid to really fight a war. It was his choice and it worked doesn't mean I have to like it.
Originally posted by DarthSidiouss
no. sidious was much wiser than u bring him out to be. he clouded the jedi's vision. he fullfilled the sith order's goal.
What about MY OPINION don't you understand, its my opinion that Sidious is a weak coward, I'm not saying he's an idiot just a weak coward there is a huge difference between the two now isn't there. And its still my opinion. I'm not asking you to share it. But I just don't respect somebody that conquers through politics. And I really do not consider him as a great fighter, if he was he would have fought.
If you want a true genious, who completely fooled the Jedi and didn't do it being a pansy, look at Exar Kun. He went under the Jedi's noses and recruited Jedi at the Academy on Ossus. He then attacked them head on instead killing them with assasins. Now that's mastermin with balls.
And then there's Revan. He converted tons of Jedi to the Darkside. How many did Sidious turn? 1. Revan converted and tried not to kill the Jedi, and he suceeded it doing it.
Depends on what you would consider succeeding with the goals... Ragnos did in his own opinion. He set all the Sith up against him to make sure they didn't attack the Republic. Yeah Sidious was the only one that ever conquered the entire republic. But does that mean he is all powerful or more powerful then others.
Look at my home country for instance
JP Balkenende (current prime minister) won with elections
Willem van Oranje won through war and fighting and kicking the Spanish forces who were better trained and with more numbers out of the country.
Yeah Balkenende rules more then Willem did and he actually became the highest figure in the country when Willem was always fighting to create a country and he died before it happened. Now everybody here still believes that what Willem did is far more impressive then what Balkenende did. And for a damn good reason.