Originally posted by FieryBalrog
how exactly is he going to beat Nightcrawler or the Blob.No one ever says how Batman will beat these superior opponents, his fans just pronounce him the mystical winner because he is "BATMAN". Y'know, he'll win! He's BATMAN!
You want to know how?
-Batmans popularity
-Batman's technology is MORE than enough to take out THE BLOB. Seriously, the Blob is nothing but a Blob. He is strong, yes. But he cannot keep up with Batman AND his gadgets and intelligence.
-Batman vs Nightcrawler... like I said this will be a tough fight for Bats. But AGAIN he outsmarts Nightcrawler in every way. Hand to hand combat, Batman is more superior. Speed, goes to Night. Overall, Batman has the tricks and sticks to murder Night.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Batman is shit sueprhero.
Why did you have to say that?
Daredevil - Of course Batman always has those sonic weapons but even in the case of a fight, Bruce has all the advantages...even was trained to fight with heightening senses so he's definitely got the win.
Wolverine - Batman has more perseverance, wits, and determination but he can't take on Wolverine in a confined battle. He'd distract with some theatricalities, run off to research and develop a plan, then come back to finish Logan. Batman would use smell inducing weapons combined with Logan's heightened nostrils to beat him.
Captain America - Blow for blow Captain is a little stronger because of the enhancement, but Batman's array of gadgets and ingenious tactics will give him a victory over Cap'n. Plus Bats knows a little thing about the metaphysics of a veteran marksman and is also familiar in boomerang type weapons, so he is more than enough of a match for Captain America.
Nightwing - Batman is a better Batman.
Gambit - Gambit is nothing. Out of the X-Men roster he can only beat the "toned down" mutants such as current Jubilee. Just like Batman, Gambit isn't exactly a team player..but he doesn't have SMARTS either. Nor do his explosives particularly do him justice against anybody he's faced. Batman takes the staff away and wins.
Nightcrawler - I think this could go either way since Batman is a master marksman. He might be able to predict where Nightcrawler will teleport with the use of mirrors and tricks like that. Wherever Nightcrawler drops him, there will be enough time for a Batarang to kill Kurt so I think both could win.
Blob - Ok. Comon guys..Blob is a complete retard and is on the same level as Grodd. I've seen the most retarded comics where Blob gets so mad that he breaks pillars and ends up caving himself in debris of concrete. There is no way in hell Batman would lose to such an idiot.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Would start a new thread but can't be bothered so...
Batman. No prep. Vs some of the most often underrated X-Men.1. Jubilee
2. Dazzler
3. Shadowcat
4. Nightcrawler
5. Angel
Jubilee would get knocked out quick. Nightcrawler will get hit by projectiles..if Deathstroke could predict where Flash would move, Bats(almost if not smarter than Deathstroke) would find a way to beat Nightcrawler. Batman could blind Nightcrawler so that he has no idea where he's teleporting, and knock him out quick. Angel is not much either.
Shadowcat and Dazzler would be the ones that could and probably would beat Batman without prep. Dazzler can decentralize the base of buildings with her screams and Shadowcat is just freakin HOT. She'd either seduce Batman or walk through and pull his intestines out.
Mhm that Shadowcat 😉
Dare Devil: I'm sure Bat's has sonic weapons in his bat belt so he takes the win
WINNER: Batman
Wolverine: Batman needs time to prepare, he doesn't have enough weapons in the belt to stop Logan, and Logan has more stamina thanks to the healing factor
WINNER:Wolverine
Captain America: The ultimate fight, Bat's edges Cap out in skill, but Cap has slightly more power, it comes down to gadgets and there Batman has the edge
WINNER: Batman barely
Nightwing: Batman taught Dick everything he knows, Grayson puts up a good fight but not good enough
WINNER: Batman
Gambit: Only chance is to get close and charge the batsuit, other than that he's going down
WINNER: Batman
Nightcrawler: More agile than Batman, faster too. Should also be a bit stronger (no way he does those jumps and filps without some superior power) but unless he gets him with the first teleport Kurt won't win, he'll put up one of the better fights but short of porting his head off at the start of the match he's going down
WINNER Batman (6/10 fights)
Blob: Batman can't hurt him but he can outhink him, expect Blob to be tricked into trapping himself or put in posistion where he has to surrender
WINNER: Batman
Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Why did you have to say that?
First off this is a no prep scenario. Batman cannot runaway from the fight (I'd say that would qualify as a ringout) to a lab (in which he would do what? Bruce Wayne is not Forge/Reed Richards/Victor von Doom/Henry Pym etc at best he applies/installs tech from Wayne Enterprises.)Daredevil - Of course Batman always has those sonic weapons but even in the case of a fight, Bruce has all the advantages...even was trained to fight with heightening senses so he's definitely got the win.
Agree. Sonics take DD down.Wolverine - Batman has more perseverance, wits, and determination but he can't take on Wolverine in a confined battle. He'd distract with some theatricalities, run off to research and develop a plan, then come back to finish Logan. Batman would use smell inducing weapons combined with Logan's heightened nostrils to beat him.
Disagree. Both are overrated. Though I agree that overwhelming Logan's senses is a good plan Batman cannot take off for a few hours, see above. He can't take on Logan without prep, therefore he loses. With prep I'd probably give it to Batman. Logan wins.Captain America - Blow for blow Captain is a little stronger because of the enhancement, but Batman's array of gadgets and ingenious tactics will give him a victory over Cap'n. Plus Bats knows a little thing about the metaphysics of a veteran marksman and is also familiar in boomerang type weapons, so he is more than enough of a match for Captain America.
I call this a draw. Both are peak human level with Cap being a stronger. Batman's gadget's only get him so far and realistically he does not have an endless supply. In the end they trade punches until someone passes out. StalemateNightwing - Batman is a better Batman.
AgreedGambit - Gambit is nothing. Out of the X-Men roster he can only beat the "toned down" mutants such as current Jubilee. Just like Batman, Gambit isn't exactly a team player..but he doesn't have SMARTS either. Nor do his explosives particularly do him justice against anybody he's faced. Batman takes the staff away and wins.
Disagree. You're sorely underestimating the core abilities of the character. Two scenarios, close range and long range. Long range Batman throws a batarang, Gambit throws a playing card. He's done it thousands of times I wouldn't fault his aim. Gambit has 52 cards fitting neatly into a pocket. How many gadgets does Batman pack in his shiny utility belt? Long range Batman runs out of projectiles, while Gambit has them in spades both figuratively and literally. Short range scenario, Batman has the edge in training. Most physical attributes are equal but part of Gambit's mutation is an enhanced agility above peak normal humans level. The Batsuit is an inanimate object, and the long flowy cape although nice and stylish lol is a disadvantage here. Gambit needs but physical contact with an inanimate object to charge it with kinetic energy to blow. Gambit winsNightcrawler - I think this could go either way since Batman is a master marksman. He might be able to predict where Nightcrawler will teleport with the use of mirrors and tricks like that. Wherever Nightcrawler drops him, there will be enough time for a Batarang to kill Kurt so I think both could win.
Disagree. Smoke and mirrors? No prep time to set anything that elaborate up and I have no idea what he intends to do with mirrors??? Three types of people can predict where Nightcrawler will teleport to, telepaths, precognitives (in which I include Sage's cyberpathic mind analysis) and Nightcrawler himself. Batman is not going to be able to predict where NC's gonna be. I'm wondering how fast a batarang travels? Nightcrawler can teleport away as fast as he can think. Nightcrawler has the edge in agility and range (wallcrawling) and speed due to teleporation. Nightcrawler also has an edge in number of prehensile limbs. Simplest strategy make physical contact via an unpredictable teleport, then teleport again two miles up and teleport back without him, I've explained this strategy ad nauseum. After a port the passenger not used to the experience is commonly sickly, at the peak of the 2 mile summit Nightcrawler easily teleports away. I agree it could go either way but I have to put odds in favour of a Nightcrawler win.Blob - Ok. Comon guys..Blob is a complete retard and is on the same level as Grodd. I've seen the most retarded comics where Blob gets so mad that he breaks pillars and ends up caving himself in debris of concrete. There is no way in hell Batman would lose to such an idiot. Disagree. Whether or not Blob is a complete retard is an opinion, you're discounting him purely on that? What is not an opinion is Blob's incredible durability. This is a head to head fight, no prep. The smartest thing Batman can do is stay out of Blob's way. Batarangs aren't doing sh!t. The Blob is resistant to pretty much anything Batman can fish out of that seemingly endless utility belt. Blob can generate personal gravity fields, when he doesn't want to be moved he is immovable. Batman can do nothing to hurt Blob, let alone defeat Blob. The fight is a stalemate or Blob win depending upon whether Blob catches Batman.
daredevil...sonic wepons and tear gas. murdocks nose is heightened as well. he goes down fast. 12 seconds
bats is faster than wolvie by far. wolvie has a skeleton weighing him down. first when bats realizes wolvie (who likes to brag about himself whilst fighting cause hes cocky) can take superhuan level punishment, he will blind him, by cutting him above his eyes with a batarang. the blood and direct damage will take out wolvies eyes. tear gas/halon will damage wolvies sense of smell and fill his lungs with poison. a few earbangs will burst wolvies ear drums. by this time wolvie is in a berzerker rage, but hes cut off from the world. a dozen solid strikes to the throat and groin and wolvie goes down. the fight takes 37 seconds and wolvies healing factor doent kick in yet. (if ya dont believe the blood in the eyes thing can work, check the last Preacher TPB.
cap is batman worst fight. blow for blow, bats is finished. however, cap loves to throw that shield. bats can catch it cause he knows about richochetting(sp) things. once caps shield is out of the way bats can gas caps ass, hit him with acid etc, and then when hes softened up, prepare for a fair fight. bats will need to tend to some broken bones tho. 65 seconds.
nightwing. bats didnt teach him everything, and everything he can do, bats does better. he knows alota bats tricks thos so the fight may be a lil drawn out. 90 seconds. bats emerges victorious with a broken nose.
gambit. hrmmm. 3 pellets...2 gas ones at first. gambit isnt smart enough to realize that bats is baiting him. "the tear gas cant physically hurt me." the third one is explosive and knocks him unconcious. 6 seconds
night crawler. after a volley of batarangs bats predicts where crawler is going to go and he ends up being impaled on a batarang alreay en route. or using his powers to blend in the dark crawler thinks hes safe. bats with his night vision throws a batarang to his left and another to the right. the one on the left makes a noise, teh one to the right boomarangs and smacks crawler whose head is turned and knocks him out.
blob. hit him with the batmobile after throwing a greanade in his mouth and making him swallow it.
daredevil...sonic wepons and tear gas. murdocks nose is heightened as well. he goes down fast. 12 seconds
bats is faster than wolvie by far. wolvie has a skeleton weighing him down. first when bats realizes wolvie (who likes to brag about himself whilst fighting cause hes cocky) can take superhuan level punishment, he will blind him, by cutting him above his eyes with a batarang. the blood and direct damage will take out wolvies eyes. tear gas/halon will damage wolvies sense of smell and fill his lungs with poison. a few earbangs will burst wolvies ear drums. by this time wolvie is in a berzerker rage, but hes cut off from the world. a dozen solid strikes to the throat and groin and wolvie goes down. the fight takes 37 seconds and wolvies healing factor doent kick in yet. (if ya dont believe the blood in the eyes thing can work, check the last Preacher TPB.
cap is batman worst fight. blow for blow, bats is finished. however, cap loves to throw that shield. bats can catch it cause he knows about richochetting(sp) things. once caps shield is out of the way bats can gas caps ass, hit him with acid etc, and then when hes softened up, prepare for a fair fight. bats will need to tend to some broken bones tho. 65 seconds.
nightwing. bats didnt teach him everything, and everything he can do, bats does better. he knows alota bats tricks thos so the fight may be a lil drawn out. 90 seconds. bats emerges victorious with a broken nose.
gambit. hrmmm. 3 pellets...2 gas ones at first. gambit isnt smart enough to realize that bats is baiting him. "the tear gas cant physically hurt me." the third one is explosive and knocks him unconcious. 6 seconds
night crawler. after a volley of batarangs bats predicts where crawler is going to go and he ends up being impaled on a batarang alreay en route. or using his powers to blend in the dark crawler thinks hes safe. bats with his night vision throws a batarang to his left and another to the right. the one on the left makes a noise, teh one to the right boomarangs and smacks crawler whose head is turned and knocks him out.
blob. hit him with the batmobile after throwing a greanade in his mouth and making him swallow it.
Originally posted by 8bitChris
This the once scenario you put forth that I can actually see happening. It wont happen in twelve seconds though. Batman wont just jump out and use the sonics right away.This is pure nonsense. Wolverine isn't that slow. If anything, he is as fast as Batman. You know have fast a small ear wound would heal for Wolverine? Ever since Magneto removed his adamantium (he's go it back since) his healing factor has been off the charts. How can you credit Batman with a dozen close range blows without giving Wolverine any? I'm sorry, in a berserker rage and close combat Wolverine eats Batman alive. Adamantium claws = dead Batman. They've both had about the same amount of combat training.
So Batman is an expert of richocetting but Captain America suddenly doesn't know anything about projectiles? These kind of fights are supposed to be fair and objective, not give Batman every advantage and take away from every other character just to make sure Batman wins. I agree with others that it would be close to a stalemate. Captain America wins because his has superior endurance and will last longer.
So you give Daredevil a whole 12 seconds and Nightwing 90? Well, we at least know what comics you subscribe to.
Yeah, because we've all seen Gambit do something like that a million times right? How about, Gambit tags the third one with a kinetic card before Batman even throws it and it blows up in Batman's face? (Gambit is fast, and accurate enough to do that.) I'm still going with Gambit on this one. This board loves to underrate X-men just because they are X-men.
There is no way Batman is ever going to be able to predict where Nightcrawler is going to teleport. I don't care how much Ninja training he has had. There is also no way Nightcrawler is just going to dodge a volley of batarangs without attacking. Nightcrawler wins.
Hitting the Blob with the Batmobile will only result in a trashed Batmobile.
re: all fights. assuming bats knows who they are
re: DD: no contest
re: wolvie: wolverine got bested by silver samurai for God's sake. batman would hand silver samurai his ass. and the earbang is not amount the damage necessarily...its about the disorientation. i credit bats cause wolvie will be fighting w/o his senses. and contrary to popular belief wolvie isnt that fast (in superhero terms) thats why he gets pissed on alot. (that and to help sales) 😛
cap: as i said the toughest of the fights. as long as bats gets the shield away from him he'll be good to go for a fairish fight, thats why i said he'll have to tear gas/acid bomb him first.
nightwing knows more about bats that dd and that knowledge is power and will help him survive. cause hes been watching bats fight for years.
gambit. hes not as smart as bruce and he's cocky. after he sees 2 gas pellets esp if theyre harmless, he'll 'ignore' them
nightcrawler. if connor hawke can predict where a light speed simulation of flash will be, bats can predict a furry blu elf.
blob. u did see teh grenade part right? bats has sacrifced batmobiles before. and it would detonate on blobs ass probab;ly. daredevil felled blob by dropping a huge bell on his head.
No one said Batman knowing all the fighters was part of the terms and since they are all from a different plane of existence, Batman probably doesn't know them. He doesn't have files on them or their weaknesses.
re: wolvie: wolverine got bested by silver samurai for God's sake. batman would hand silver samurai his ass. and the earbang is not amount the damage necessarily...its about the disorientation. i credit bats cause wolvie will be fighting w/o his senses. and contrary to popular belief wolvie isnt that fast (in superhero terms) thats why he gets pissed on alot. (that and to help sales) 😛
cap: as i said the toughest of the fights. as long as bats gets the shield away from him he'll be good to go for a fairish fight, thats why i said he'll have to tear gas/acid bomb him first.
nightwing knows more about bats that dd and that knowledge is power and will help him survive. cause hes been watching bats fight for years.
gambit. hes not as smart as bruce and he's cocky. after he sees 2 gas pellets esp if theyre harmless, he'll 'ignore' them
nightcrawler. if connor hawke can predict where a light speed simulation of flash will be, bats can predict a furry blu elf.
blob. u did see teh grenade part right? bats has sacrifced batmobiles before. and it would detonate on blobs ass probab;ly. daredevil felled blob by dropping a huge bell on his head