If ssj3/4 Goku isn't punching stars and planets with his punches than he's not going to be putting Supes down (or even fase) at all. One punch from Supes will put ssj3/4 Goku in real pain that he won't be able to continue fighting. And he loses energy way too fast to even put up a decent match for Supes.
Strength:
ssj3/4 Goku- maximum was lifting halve a city and he struggled doing that.
Superman- Superman was chained to the endless millwheels of the Mageddon machinery. His strength was used to move the gears of a weapon whose size dwarfed the entire Earth/Moon system. Superman threw a space station the size of a small moon, Superman moved a planet with light speed force coming against him, Superman was strong enough to contain a blackhole in the palm of his hands for a long period of time, and can punch small moons with no problem.
Durability:
ssj3/4 Goku- stronger enough to take blows from beings that are less powerful than Supes.
Superman- Superman survived the destruction of a sun eater at ground zero, Survived the destruction of the moon, survived the destruction force of a nova, survived a Mageddon Warhead capable at the minimum vaporizing half a galaxy, survived passage through a cosmic wormhole, survived passage through a blackhole, took blows from a guy that destroy stars with one punch, survived being punched through the Earth, and punched from earths surface to the moon.
Speed:
ssj3/4 Goku- He's fast, but not fast enough to beat a energy blast.
Superman- beat a photon blast, flew from earth to the sun in just a few seconds, flew around the equator in a matter of seconds, and Superman made a trip from Earth to Saturn in well under 4 minutes.
Superman is enough to beat any DBZ/GT character, adding Prime, pre-crisis or 1Million is just overkill Cap. 🙂
I would believe that the feats came from your comics if A: They werent WORD FOR WORD from the list that I've seen like 8 times. B: You used different ones besides WarWorld and the Mageddon thing.
As to the energy blasts, you have no proof of how fast they were traveling. For all you know, those were all traveling at 20000x light speed. They ARE energy beams... And Superman has been racing people and has specifically stated his speed, every time well under light speed. Most other times (Earth to Saturn/the Sun) are the writers knowing nothing about speeds.
Also, the 10 minute charge up on kamehamehas are used for crappy dramatic effect. Goku used one in GT, with one hand, that punched through a dimensional barrier. Simple energy blasts from people much weaker than Goku in DBZ could EASILY destroy planets. Saying that Goku takes blasts from people weaker than Supes is being very biased. And no, people in DBZ are not affected by guns. People in Dragonball are not affected by guns.
And if getting hit by stuff counts to show slowness, I give you... BATMAN! and Spiderman. And a buttload of other slow guys.
Cartoon Supes would get beat by Goku SS1
Current comic Supes would have troubel with Goku SS2 or higher but would win
Pre Crisis Supes would have trouble with SS4 but would win
Superman one million would beat 1,ooo SS4 Goku's within 5 minutes
Guns don't kill Saiyians stupid villians with guns kill Saiyians.
Originally posted by Dizzle
I would believe that the feats came from your comics if A: They werent WORD FOR WORD from the list that I've seen like 8 times. B: You used different ones besides WarWorld and the Mageddon thing.As to the energy blasts, you have no proof of how fast they were traveling. For all you know, those were all traveling at 20000x light speed. They ARE energy beams... And Superman has been racing people and has specifically stated his speed, every time well under light speed. Most other times (Earth to Saturn/the Sun) are the writers knowing nothing about speeds.
Also, the 10 minute charge up on kamehamehas are used for crappy dramatic effect. Goku used one in GT, with one hand, that punched through a dimensional barrier. Simple energy blasts from people much weaker than Goku in DBZ could EASILY destroy planets. Saying that Goku takes blasts from people weaker than Supes is being very biased. And no, people in DBZ are not affected by guns. People in Dragonball are not affected by guns.
And if getting hit by stuff counts to show slowness, I give you... BATMAN! and Spiderman. And a buttload of other slow guys.
1. Word for word or not, they are still his feats that he done and have I the books.
2. Supes shows more feats than any DBZ/GT character
3. They destroy planets but so does Supes foes, plus they are physically stronger than them.
4. Goku take hits (punches) from people that hit way lesser than Supes.
5. Stop over-exaggerating with the DBZ/GT characters energy blast; it's no faster than a laser or photon beam.
6. Supes Fly faster than he can run.
7. They're punches and kicks do alot of damage to them, sometimes more than energy blast.
8. Kamehameha wave is too slow
9. Goku lose energy way too fast
Supes is stronger, faster, have better stamina and more durable. 🙂
Originally posted by dvampire
1. Word for word or not, they are still his feats that he done and have I the books.2. Supes shows more feats than any DBZ/GT character
3. They destroy planets but so does Supes foes, plus they are physically stronger than them.
4. Goku take hits (punches) from people that hit way lesser than Supes.
5. Stop over-exaggerating with the DBZ/GT characters energy blast; it's no faster than a laser or photon beam.
6. Supes Fly faster than he can run.
7. They're punches and kicks do alot of damage to them, sometimes more than energy blast.
8. Kamehameha wave is too slow
9. Goku lose energy way too fast
Supes is stronger, faster, have better stamina and more durable. 🙂
good points dear child
Originally posted by dvampire
1. Word for word or not, they are still his feats that he done and have I the books.2. Supes shows more feats than any DBZ/GT character
3. They destroy planets but so does Supes foes, plus they are physically stronger than them.
4. Goku take hits (punches) from people that hit way lesser than Supes.
5. Stop over-exaggerating with the DBZ/GT characters energy blast; it's no faster than a laser or photon beam.
6. Supes Fly faster than he can run.
7. They're punches and kicks do alot of damage to them, sometimes more than energy blast.
8. Kamehameha wave is too slow
9. Goku lose energy way too fast
Supes is stronger, faster, have better stamina and more durable. 🙂
You call blowing up planets and taking planet destroying blasts like nothing bad feats?
Name me one Supes foe that can destroy a planet in one shot. (besides Imperiex... that wasn't normal Superman dammit)
You have no idea how hard people in DBZ punch. I'll still give physical strength edge to Supes, but I still don't see him blowing holes through Goku with individual punches.
And yes, dodging light beams is damn hard. If Superman does indeed fly beyond light speed in space, do you have anything that even HINTS that he can react that fast? Every time Superman's speed is described with numbers in comics, it's well below light speed. Flying to Saturn is a writer being stupid.
A Kamehameha can be launched very quickly, other ki attacks can be launched instantly.
Originally posted by Dizzle
You call blowing up planets and taking planet destroying blasts like nothing bad feats?Name me one Supes foe that can destroy a planet in one shot. (besides Imperiex... that wasn't normal Superman dammit)
You have no idea how hard people in DBZ punch. I'll still give physical strength edge to Supes, but I still don't see him blowing holes through Goku with individual punches.
And yes, dodging light beams is damn hard. If Superman does indeed fly beyond light speed in space, do you have anything that even HINTS that he can react that fast? Every time Superman's speed is described with numbers in comics, it's well below light speed. Flying to Saturn is a writer being stupid.
A Kamehameha can be launched very quickly, other ki attacks can be launched instantly.
DBZ/GT characters go by powerlevels so once that character is more powerful than the opponent, his attacks is useless. In Superman/Batman #13 he got from Earth to the sun in just a second, thats light speed. He vibrates threw DD punches and Firebreath, Mongul couldn't touch him, and biltz Equus. Supes uses his speed more often then you think. And ssj3/4 Goku won't be taking more than two punches from Supes because he physically isn't in the same league as Supes. Kamehameha wave can be launched quickly but it still take a little time and the attack will be much weaker than a fully charged one. The writer aren't being stupid because Supes does that stuff every time. Darkseid, Elite, and Armadas were some of the being that are capable of destroying a planet. 🙂
Originally posted by Zen2nd
OMG your a moron!!!! thats way faster than the speed of light, not even Superman could go that fast, he wouldn't be able to tell where he is! It takes 9 minutes for the rays of the Sun to hit Earth so your talking rubish.
Is it really necessary to be so rude? That's why I hate when DBZ/GT threads are started, because people tend to be so....whatever. 🙁
Originally posted by dvampireLike people?
Is it really necessary to be so rude? That's why I hate when DBZ/GT threads are started, because people tend to be so....whatever. 🙁
"People are dumb panicy animals and you know it."
You're forgetting the amount of fanboyism that's been built up among shows.
In retrospect DBZ really isn't that great anyway. . .
Superman has provided me with a whole new way of being entertained . . . by laughing at HIS cruelty. . .
Originally posted by Zen2ndTheoretically. . . but that's all semantics.
I was just pointing out how wrong you were thats all. If he flies faster than the speed of light that means then he no longer in the present.
You are always in YOUR present, even if your present is another persons past, or another person's future. Time is relative. . .