Goku v. Superman

Started by TwisterGameX189 pages

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
This is now beyond ridiculous and is well into the realm of platinum foolishness......

Guys... it now just looks like your arguing for the sake of arguing...

I mean saying:

Ultra Humanite and electricity>>>>>>>Superman
for one, does no credibility for Goku's case

and then retorting with:
Superman>>>>>>>>>> any incarnation of Goku
Is not really saying much more.

Now I agree Supes with pimpslap Goku with about as much effort as it takes for me to press buttons on my keyboard. but seriously guys, this HAS to end sometime now doesn't it?

Now If there is ANYTHING you can bring to the table to help Goku's case Twisted, please do it now... Please, List all of Goku's feats that you beleive will have bearing on this case, your opposition have already provided MANY samples of Supermans feats, instead of trying to tear down their arguments, please try to actually show us something that Goku can do that is comparable.

I may not agree with EVERYTHING that these guys say, but they have backed up their claims of Superman with irrefutable proof

Yeah I guess you missed this

Dragon ball feats where goku is like 10-13 and has not trained nor did anything, weak as helll and he pulls this off

manga 3 pg 110 goku moves boulder bigger than house, goku pushes and he is 13 or so years old

manga 1 goku takes axx to the head pg 80

pg 101 ollong turns into missle and nymbus caught up to it and duh goku is now billionsd of times faster than nymbus

pg 16 manga 1 goku takes bullet to the head from bulma and it wasnt a joke

pg 54 manga 3 goku runs 100 meters in 8.5 seconds

swim from shark doing 10 laps across the lake pg 104 manga 3

pg 104 try rto dodge bees while tied to a tree manga 3

go up stairs..like a billion up a mountain with wait on there back after doing other crap pg 87 manga 3

goku spins like crazy man a mini tornado pg 120 maga 4 showing sped

pg 156 goku dodges point blank missle from robot mouth manga 5

pg 46-50 manga 8 goku clmbs poll that touches like the top of the earth...kamis look out...

pg 53-62 manga 8 goku learns from cat to read peoples moves

pg 65 manga 8 goku goes so0 fast he leavs after images and then cat throws somrthing and goku climbs the look out again...stamina any one

pg 133-177 goku defeats red ribbon army

pg 36 manga 10 goku catches missle at close ran

pg 65-75 goku runs across the world and swims...

Ok starting with z.

Radiz catched shot gun shot and flicks it to the speed killing farmer

Humanite took supes....anyway mangfa 7 still vegeta throw the dragon ball with his blast(the blast travel very fast and goes to the sun some times) but then berta took off and caught it in a flash.....speed feat...and goku is ssj3 now and billions times faster..

Ok I willlist dbz later...ferakin that goku so weakkkkk and it's dragon ball not z.

Don't miss the point now

Monkey hits superman
Brolly survived planet explostion after goku nailed him

i am not yet started to put the dbz ones yet because I got to look but goku does all this crap when he is like 13 and we know he is billions of times better now.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Vegta: hes so fast his movements couldn't be detected by seeing eyes!!
Krillin: he dodged so fast you couldn't tell he moved !!!
Take note he is no where near ssj yet, and pulls this off.

After image (Speed so great that it leaves images...yeah goku is like 12)
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this technique, the user can create a shield around themselves which can withstand
many attacks as long as the person has enough Ki to supply
(the stronger goku is the stronger the shield is)

This allows the user to dematerialize and move as a mass of light. The only downside to the technique is that the user requires a Ki target to "lock onto", and depending on the distance it varies in time. So if it's another planet then it takes a couple seconds, but if it's right in your area it's instant.

Instant Transmision Kamehameha
This is a brilliant attack combination by Goku, which can fool even the smartest enemies. He charges the Kamehameha as normal in front of his opponent, then at the last second he uses Instant Transmision to get close to the opponent and let the blast rip.

Kaioken
It is a power up technique that allows the user to amplify their Ki by how ever much they desire
The number denotes by how much the user's power level is times (except for regular Kaioken which is 1.5x). E.G: Pl = 5,000 Kaiokenx10 = 50,000.

used by consintrating his energy into one spot increasing his power.

this causes the sun's rays to be amplified and reflected into the opponent's eyes, thus blinding them.

Super Kaioken
This is the ability to use the Kaioken attack while a Super Saiya-Jin. Goku uses this against Pikkon in the Otherworld Tournament as a surprise attack.

Ultimate Kamehameha

Just much stronger, and bigger

Saiyans get stronger after each battle, each ssj level increases everything about the person like speed,strength,durability, and so on

Draws his power from the enternal dragon.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Yeah I guess you missed this

Dragon ball feats where goku is like 10-13 and has not trained nor did anything, weak as helll and he pulls this off

manga 3 pg 110 goku moves boulder bigger than house, goku pushes and he is 13 or so years old

manga 1 goku takes axx to the head pg 80

pg 101 ollong turns into missle and nymbus caught up to it and duh goku is now billionsd of times faster than nymbus

pg 16 manga 1 goku takes bullet to the head from bulma and it wasnt a joke

pg 54 manga 3 goku runs 100 meters in 8.5 seconds

swim from shark doing 10 laps across the lake pg 104 manga 3

pg 104 try rto dodge bees while tied to a tree manga 3

go up stairs..like a billion up a mountain with wait on there back after doing other crap pg 87 manga 3

goku spins like crazy man a mini tornado pg 120 maga 4 showing sped

pg 156 goku dodges point blank missle from robot mouth manga 5

pg 46-50 manga 8 goku clmbs poll that touches like the top of the earth...kamis look out...

pg 53-62 manga 8 goku learns from cat to read peoples moves

pg 65 manga 8 goku goes so0 fast he leavs after images and then cat throws somrthing and goku climbs the look out again...stamina any one

pg 133-177 goku defeats red ribbon army

pg 36 manga 10 goku catches missle at close ran

pg 65-75 goku runs across the world and swims...

Ok starting with z.

Radiz catched shot gun shot and flicks it to the speed killing farmer

Humanite took supes....anyway mangfa 7 still vegeta throw the dragon ball with his blast(the blast travel very fast and goes to the sun some times) but then berta took off and caught it in a flash.....speed feat...and goku is ssj3 now and billions times faster..

Ok I willlist dbz later...ferakin that goku so weakkkkk and it's dragon ball not z.

Don't miss the point now

Monkey hits superman
Brolly survived planet explostion after goku nailed him

i am not yet started to put the dbz ones yet because I got to look but goku does all this crap when he is like 13 and we know he is billions of times better now.

Again with no evidence that whould put Goku above Superman. 🙄

Originally posted by dvampire
Again with no evidence that whould put Goku above Superman. 🙄

You missed the point 🙄

Yousaid goku can't do this nand gets hurt by that and can't move this so i countered you and shwoed you all the page numbers 🙂

you use goku weak feats so I use supermans...humanite hurts supes,millitary missles pushes him back when he trys to catch it, supes getting held by ivy plants,supes getting hurt by electricty...

anyway Supes flying/running/reading speeds are great but not the same as combat speed. I could run fast but do i fight like that ?

🙂

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
You missed the point 🙄

Yousaid goku can't do this nand gets hurt by that and can't move this so i countered you and shwoed you all the page numbers 🙂

you use goku weak feats so I use supermans...humanite hurts supes,millitary missles pushes him back when he trys to catch it, supes getting held by ivy plants,supes getting hurt by electricty...

anyway Supes flying/running/reading speeds are great but not the same as combat speed. I could run fast but do i fight like that ?

🙂

I never used Goku weak feats, every feat I used of Goku was at his strongest, which he stills fail to come even close to being in Supermans league. 😕

Originally posted by dvampire
How is Goku going to hurt Superman when he could barly push a moutain apart inssj2 or ssj4 when he struggled with pushing a building in place and having trouble lifting people on a small rock? Superman whould destroy Goku in a sec.

Here's ssj2 Goku struggling to push a moutain apart, something Superman was doing ten years ago.

http://myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/VideoClips.htm

Here's Superman's feats.

Supes is using his Heat Vision to get the foe off of him.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5001/supes8cz.jpg

Supes shoots a beam of low-intensity Heat Vision at the Moon. People in the watch tower was blinded except for Plastic Man cause sense he had shades on. The Moon is very far from Earth, this shows the range Supes Heat Vision has.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9708/supermansheatvision24vv.jpg

In this pic it shows that Supes Heat Vision stated by them, "his vision is off the charts by any standard scientific measures". They can measure how hot a star is, but they cannot measure the temp of Supermans Heat Vision.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/863/supermansheatvision30nk.jpg

In this pic his power is waning under a red sun, but he still summoned enough Heat Vision to successfully power Jor-ELs planet-moving ion engines. The in this case had a mass 16 times that of Earth's.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6824/supermansheatvision17gy.jpg

In this pic, Superman is flying by the sun to stop the Cannabal planet from destroying the sun. This also prove that Supes is able to blow up a planet aswell. He also heated up a plaent with his Heat Vision before too.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7923/supermansheatvison2np.jpg

Superman calculating the guys melting point. Wich also shows how much he holds back with his Heat Vision, to keep from killing his foes.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8360/08222005124926pm7ji.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3679/08222005125029pm5zg.jpg

Supes just spraying this guy with Heat Vision. If he wanted to, he could kill Goku easily with Heat Vision, without even letting him even breath.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1535/0822311an.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1271/0822323nz.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3776/0822338uf.jpg

Superman can also blind his opponent or just lobotimize his foe with Heat Vision. If he was fighting to kill without holding back there's no telling what he'll do.

Here's proof that Supes is light speed, and is far faster than any DBZ/GT character.

Superman catching bullets with little effort. This is something the DBZ/Gt characters can do also though.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/7786/08222005050314pm5fl.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/530/supermancatchingbullets2ww.jpg

Here's Superman reading at high speeds (something Goku or any of the DBZ/GT characters ever done).

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4955/superman1451ba.jpg

Superman fighting at high speeds.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4530/08222005115613am7bx.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/679/08222005124311pm3un.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9203/pics0017bn.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4214/superman20speed20vs20mongul202.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9558/supermanandmongul8pr.jpg

Here's Superman vibrating (phasing) his body so fast that hes going right through Doomsday Lightning/Fire Breath. This is proof that hes far faster than any DBZ/GT character.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1971/supermanfast3ar.jpg

Here's Superman vibrating his body invisible now, something they also can't do either.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/553/supermaninvisible44zc.jpg

Here's Superman calculating how fast to go on Earths Surface in populated areas. He also plug Lois them ears with cotton while he flew through.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9101/0869a916yt.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/704/08222005052719pm2ys.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/8281/08222005052832pm2wo.jpg

Lois asks Superman for Champagne from another contry, and by the time she finishes her short sentence, Supes already got it, and has been waiting for a while.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5899/supespeed6kt.jpg

Superman traveling at high speeds in space.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1831/supermanhaulingassagain37xc.jpg

Superman heres GL (Kyle) about a million miles away from Earth in bed, and he gets there in seconds.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1954/08222005054558pm3oy.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/2785/08222005054722pm5jq.jpg

Here's Superman taking Darksied to the sun in seconds. It takes light 8 minutes to get from Earth to the Sun.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5590/darksiedbeaten7sq.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6573/darksiedbeaten25ph.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/192/supermanbatman13pg08097cu.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1609/supermanbatman13pg109es.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5647/supermanbatman13pg114cl.jpg

Superman is far stronger too, as is always holding back. Superman hits Lobo from Earth into orbit, Lobo stats that if he doesn't stop himself that he'll spend the next century obitting around the planet.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4643/supeslobo0uo.jpg

Superman and G. Zod blows are so devastating that they are creating earthquakes and the planet is falling apart. And he was still holding back while fighting under a red sun.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9351/08302005032341pm7oo.jpg

Here's Supes when hes done pulling his punches.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3613/cy14oq.jpg

Here's Superman holding a black hole in the palm of his hand for a while.
Which makes him far stronger than than Goku.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9199/supermanblackhole0015ak.jpg

Here's Superman taking several particle beams.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/60/09122118lq.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3651/durability55et.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3443/09131329ai.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/4640/durability20ki.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/1761/durability35ln.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9263/211117fk.jpg

Superman taking a blast equal to a million nuclear blasts.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/850/0822346hj.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3932/08222005121910pm8yp.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6301/089054127na.jpg

Superman surviving the destruction of a sun eater at ground zero. The sun eater is an enormously energetic cloud that literally eats both the energy and mass of whole stars. The sun eater was considerably larger than a star, had been in existence for millenia and had consumed the energy of many stars by travelling from galaxy to galaxy. Which proves that he's far more durable than any DBZ/GT character.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/7467/09122005080012pm3uo.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/4746/09122005080419pm3ri.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/7775/durability49cp.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/851/durability11pn.jpg

Here's Superman actually escaping a double black hole (which beats every feat ssj3/4 Goku or any DBZ/GT character has ever done), this proves his strength, speed, and durability.

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4198/untitled128qt3bk.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5858/untitled138wy8fy.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5207/untitled140kt3ew.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/938/untitled152oe8eq.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8946/untitled166ov4wo.jpg

Superman has ssj3/4 Goku in strength, speed, durability, and stamina. Goku loses.

🙂 🙂

Oh and here's Superman's feats again, which you still fail to even look at. 🙂 😄 😆

The 80 different versions of superman 🙂
I wouldn't be surprsied if you put prime in there,,

Originally posted by dvampire
I never used Goku weak feats, every feat I used of Goku was at his strongest, which he stills fail to come even close to being in Supermans league. 😕

Goku gets killed by rock 🙄

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
anyway Supes flying/running/reading speeds are great but not the same as combat speed. I could run fast but do i fight like that ?

Stop using that as a random excuse because you don't have another one.

You running is similar to you fighting, because both of them require the same conscious contraction of your musculature. The only difference is that your fighting skills may suck and you make a fool out of yourself.

Otherwise you're talking about the same exact thing. Supes can fight fast, and he has shown to be able to fight fast, like the scan Cresh showed.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
The 80 different versions of superman 🙂
I wouldn't be surprsied if you put prime in there,,

There you go again. I looked at all the scans and I didn't see anything pre-crisis or of Superman Prime or 1Million. They are ALL DC-licensed Post-Crisis Superman feats, period.

Trying to undermine them by saying "80 different versions of superman" is a cop out, pure and simple.

Originally posted by Illustrious
Stop using that as a random excuse because you don't have another one.

You running is similar to you fighting, because both of them require the same conscious contraction of your musculature. The only difference is that your fighting skills may suck and you make a fool out of yourself.

Otherwise you're talking about the same exact thing. Supes can fight fast, and he has shown to be able to fight fast, like the scan Cresh showed.

Uh huh......you just prooved you don't know that flying and combat skills are different or a monkey,ivy, and other would not have touched him...

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Uh huh......you just prooved you don't know that flying and combat skills are different or a monkey,ivy, and other would not have touched him...

So you're saying Superman, since he can run fast, ALWAYS has to run that fast? Then can you explain how he can walk as Clark?

So you're saying that if someone tackles you when you aren't ready, it means you suck?

Please. Stop trying to say that two things that belong in the same exact scientific category (conscious muscle contraction) are different because of some silly form of fanboy taxonomy.

Originally posted by Illustrious
There you go again. I looked at all the scans and I didn't see anything pre-crisis or of Superman Prime or 1Million. They are ALL DC-licensed Post-Crisis Superman feats, period.

Trying to undermine them by saying "80 different versions of superman" is a cop out, pure and simple.

Anything that hurt superman it's oh you can't use that because it prooves me wrong.....when i use a goku think, oh he only said that, oh its a filler. So anything that hurst superman I can't use and everything that helps goku I can't use but only everything that hursts goku that I already coundtered and didn't even reply pages back ago, you make up crap...ok supey

Originally posted by Illustrious
So you're saying Superman, since he can run fast, ALWAYS has to run that fast? Then can you explain how he can walk as Clark?

So you're saying that if someone tackles you when you aren't ready, it means you suck?

Please. Stop trying to say that two things that belong in the same exact scientific category (conscious muscle contraction) are different because of some silly form of fanboy taxonomy.

I know your confused but i am trying to break it down in terms you could understand, but i don't think it's working.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Uh huh......you just prooved you don't know that flying and combat skills are different or a monkey,ivy, and other would not have touched him...

I think you just proved that you don't know the difference, since there's already feats in those posts of Superman fighting at high speeds, showing Superman being far faster than Goku, and stronger.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
I know your confused but i am trying to break it down in terms you could understand, but i don't think it's working.

No, this is what you're trying to say:

"Superman doesn't fight fast. It doesn't matter whatever scan proves he fights fast, I have already made up my mind and no matter what, I will stand by that he doesn't fight fast. So it doesn't matter if he "runs" fast, "punches" fast, "flies" fast, "vibrates" fast, "reads" fast, or "thinks" fast, I'll make my own arbitrary category for "combat" so he's slow there."

Please, you're attempting to stretch categories so you can fit your argument. It's the Spoils System gone wrong -- oops, sorry for using a term you don't even know.

You're attempting to convince people that Superman's biological contraction of his musculature is fast for one activity, but suddenly slows down because of something else? Honest. Answer that for me, how does that work?

You're trying to argue random semantics without having any backing or evidence for him. I guess Goku getting tagged by Piccolo means he's slow.

Originally posted by dvampire
I think you just proved that you don't know the difference, since there's already feats in those posts of Superman fighting at high speeds, showing Superman being far faster than Goku, and stronger.

So the monkey is flashs speed ? Ivy plants are flash speed, and electricity hurts more than a planet exploding on superman ? A millitary missle pushes him back but he easily holds black holes...ok I got no prob with that.

Originally posted by Illustrious
No, this is what you're trying to say:

"Superman doesn't fight fast. It doesn't matter whatever scan [b]proves he fights fast, I have already made up my mind and no matter what, I will stand by that he doesn't fight fast. So it doesn't matter if he "runs" fast, "punches" fast, "flies" fast, "vibrates" fast, "reads" fast, or "thinks" fast, I'll make my own arbitrary category for "combat" so he's fast there."

Please, you're attempting to stretch categories so you can fit your argument. It's the Spoils System gone wrong -- oops, sorry for using a term you don't even know.

You're attempting to convince people that Superman's biological contraction of his musculature is fast for one activity, but suddenly slows down because of something else? Honest. Answer that for me, how does that work? [/B]

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u,, the scans dont show him fighting fast......he is flying....or running....not combat.......no....monkey is flashs speed then...

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
So the monkey is flashs speed ? Ivy plants are flash speed, and electricity hurts more than a planet exploding on superman ? A millitary missle pushes him back but he easily holds black holes...ok I got no prob with that.

And apparently Goku at SSJ3 has problems pushing a mountain back, but Vegeta (who's weaker than Goku) at pre-SSJ levels can blow up a planet. Yeah, I have no problem with that either.

Arguing inconsistencies is splitting hairs and grasping at straws, you should stop.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
So the monkey is flashs speed ? Ivy plants are flash speed, and electricity hurts more than a planet exploding on superman ? A millitary missle pushes him back but he easily holds black holes...ok I got no prob with that.

Again with no proof of Goku being faster, stronger, more durable, or having better stamina than Superman.

Originally posted by dvampire
Again with no proof of Goku being faster, stronger, more durable, or having better stamina than Superman.

I just explained his speed in combat and how fast....would you read it and stop being so ignorant, i know you won't be satisfied and cant take that superman could get hurt..but damn you take it to far...theres even people here that dont even have superman comics and argue untill they die.