Originally posted by Zen2nd
Though I haven't seen DBZ in a few years I do remember them being super powerful. Like for instance Piccolo easily destroyed the moon when Gohan transformed and Piccolo's strength has easily gone ten fold what it was since then. Then compare Piccolo to Goku and you see that Goku is more powerful as he is able to go super saiyan and all that. I really can't see superman winning.
Supes been up against people like Imperix, Darksied and way more powerful beings. DBZ/GT characters arn't physically stronger or durable then Superman. When they be fighting their punches and kicks (which is far from Supermans attacking power) does way lesser than Supes blows and sometimes their energy blasts does less damage than there attacks, they have to charge the energy for it to be more powerful than there physical attacks; Goku have no chance at winning. One Full blast Heat Vision can easily end the fight, and if he punch ssj4 Goku the fight is over he has never fought anybody Supes punching power. 🙂
unfortunally i am not lying about goku being able to destroy the earth with 1% of his power, Vegeta in his weakest form could destroy earth fighting little serious , and he was not even transformed in super s , and talking serious, goku super s 3(doesnt need to be 4) is at least 100 times stronger than the vegeta that could destroy the earth , so goku can really destroy the earth with just one blow .
Originally posted by Hoshi
unfortunally i am not lying about goku being able to destroy the earth with 1% of his power, Vegeta in his weakest form could destroy earth fighting little serious , and he was not even transformed in super s , and talking serious, goku super s 3(doesnt need to be 4) is at least 100 times stronger than the vegeta that could destroy the earth , so goku can really destroy the earth with just one blow .
Piccolo could in 2 or 3.....but Superman doesn't have to scream to make him self glow...in one punch..or less than 10 he'd get victoy..he's faster and can take hits waaaay better.
Originally posted by Hoshi
unfortunally i am not lying about goku being able to destroy the earth with 1% of his power, Vegeta in his weakest form could destroy earth fighting little serious , and he was not even transformed in super s , and talking serious, goku super s 3(doesnt need to be 4) is at least 100 times stronger than the vegeta that could destroy the earth , so goku can really destroy the earth with just one blow .
How is Goku going to be able to destroy the earth with one blow if he had trouble pushing a building in ssj4 and struggled lifting halve a city in ssj3; Supes lifts small planets and push a planet size weapon with the force of light speed against him. They get hurt by punches way lesser than Supes, they stand no chance at beating him. One punch from Supes is going to put ssj4 Goku in a dizzy stat or a full blast from his Heat Vision will end the fight easily. 🙂
Originally posted by Hoshi
goku doesnt necessarly need to spend much time to get stronger , he can do it fast if he want, like shown in the movie where he transformed in ss3 in less than 5 seconds
true but anything past SS2 they can't maintain...once his power goes down..Goku goes down...and the whole destroying the planet thing...Goku wouldn't do that..he cares for innocent life..and the blast would destroy him too.
Originally posted by dvampire
Supes taking alot of magical attacks lately, just because magic can slow him down doesn't mean he will go down in an instant towrds it. Supes proven plenty of times that he capable of taking magical attacks.And the DBZ/GT characters isn't as strong as Supes or Thor, I've already seen their high end feats; Supes and Thor is much stronger. Goku doesn't use Kaioken any more because it takes up alot of energy (I think thats why he stop using it after the fight with Vegeta, he did use on Freeza and Pikon though), I don't think that technique whould be very good in a fight anyways though. 🙂
Kaioken stopped being used because SSJ was more powerful and less draining.It was already established that KKx10 raised ALL his abilities tenfold.His corresponing PL increase was the same.This showed PL was realative to their overall ability
1 Beginning DB Goku could lift a ton or two and could take bullets between the eyes.After some training he could defeat a full modernized army on his own and later he beats villians that could easily take over the world and reduce their armies to rubble.All this with a sub-500PL while Saiyans with sub 1500 pls could exterminate all life on more advanced planets in a couple days
2 Vegeta could trash a planet with a PL of 20,000 Goku overpowered him somewhere around 25-30000 but Vegeta still took that planet destroying shot[Hurt but not finished].So 20K PL>planet Earth.Now by the time Goku fights Frieza his PL is easily over 10 million and his PL has increase by at LEAST 500 times
3 Considering the increases are realative and we have the whole extent of the Cell Saga training in the ROSAT SSJ2 and SSJ3.His ability has increase enormously since
4 The last 2 things even mentioned about PLs were 5 when trunks had his power hidden and AT throwing fans a bone in a SJ interveiw by saying SSJ2 Kid gohan had a PL around 300 Million.Goku obviously supasses 300 Million by the Buu Saga.So if he starts at 1 tonner range and his strength has went from sub 500 to 300 million+ well i dont see how he fits beneath class 100 at all
The incaluatable part is DBZ doesnt use weight lifting to determine characters strengths like comics do they do it through no-selling.If somebody came up and no-sold Sups attacks Undertaker style nobody is going to increase their strength 5X over a couple issues and beat him easy.
This is why at BEST DBZ and Comics arent comparable.Heck Marvel and DC arent really comparable since Marvel rates its guys based class 1-100 tons while DC used a rating system with Billions of tons for its upper level guys.Its even more skewed here when the systems are nothing alike AND Superman has 70 years of time for his power to fluctuate randomly as storyline dictates [Go far above or beyond his norm depending on the storyline]
Originally posted by WAF3001
Well, let's ask the question, how strong does Goku have to be to beat Superman? Does he have to be a SS3, or could it work as SS2? OR would Goku need to become the rumored SS5?
if he goes 3 and can blind Supes and hit him with some massive attacks over and over...I'm talking planet shattering hit and blast.. he could do it.....maybe
Originally posted by EvilCap America
Kaioken stopped being used because SSJ was more powerful and less draining.It was already established that KKx10 raised ALL his abilities tenfold.His corresponing PL increase was the same.This showed PL was realative to their overall ability1 Beginning DB Goku could lift a ton or two and could take bullets between the eyes.After some training he could defeat a full modernized army on his own and later he beats villians that could easily take over the world and reduce their armies to rubble.All this with a sub-500PL while Saiyans with sub 1500 pls could exterminate all life on more advanced planets in a couple days
2 Vegeta could trash a planet with a PL of 20,000 Goku overpowered him somewhere around 25-30000 but Vegeta still took that planet destroying shot[Hurt but not finished].So 20K PL>planet Earth.Now by the time Goku fights Frieza his PL is easily over 10 million and his PL has increase by at LEAST 500 times
3 Considering the increases are realative and we have the whole extent of the Cell Saga training in the ROSAT SSJ2 and SSJ3.His ability has increase enormously since
4 The last 2 things even mentioned about PLs were 5 when trunks had his power hidden and AT throwing fans a bone in a SJ interveiw by saying SSJ2 Kid gohan had a PL around 300 Million.Goku obviously supasses 300 Million by the Buu Saga.So if he starts at 1 tonner range and his strength has went from sub 500 to 300 million+ well i dont see how he fits beneath class 100 at all
The incaluatable part is DBZ doesnt use weight lifting to determine characters strengths like comics do they do it through no-selling.If somebody came up and no-sold Sups attacks Undertaker style nobody is going to increase their strength 5X over a couple issues and beat him easy.
This is why at BEST DBZ and Comics arent comparable.Heck Marvel and DC arent really comparable since Marvel rates its guys based class 1-100 tons while DC used a rating system with Billions of tons for its upper level guys.Its even more skewed here when the systems are nothing alike AND Superman has 70 years of time for his power to fluctuate randomly as storyline dictates [Go far above or beyond his norm depending on the storyline]
Attacks from ssj4 Goku or ssj3 is nothing compared to what Doomsday, Darksied, Imperiex and countless others does to Superman. SSJ4 or 3 Gokus punching power is nothing compared to Supes foes. Power level isn't what determine how strong they are because they're are numbers, I go by strength feats and the things they survived. Supes can take every thing Goku throws at him, ssj3 Goku had problems lifting Halve a city and ssj4 could barely push a building; Supes lifts and push planets and crushes small moons that way more than what any DBZ/GT character can do. Like I said as soon as Supes punches ssj4 Goku (or 3 what ever) he's going to be out of it add Supes Heat Vision (5-6000 degrees should be enough) and the fight is over. 🙂 Plus the Higher transformations take up way to much energy to compete with Superman.
Originally posted by WAF3001
They destroy planets all the time in DBZ. By the way, we're not gonna use GT Goku anymore, cuz ppl keep saying he;s a lot weeker!
So does Supes villians, that can do the same thing with no problem. And to me I think ssj4 Goku was stronger they stated he was so he's stronger than the rest of his transformations. 🙂