Originally posted by dvampire
Yes he didn't struggle to lift a moutain, he struggled to push a moutain apart.http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/DBZ-Video08.mov 😄
Stupid @#$% that was filler how many times do i have to say it.
GOKU never fought KID BUU in SSJ2
That is a FILLER SCENE added into the anime that is IMPOSSIBLE to fit into the storyline.Know why?Because SSJ2 Goku fights fairly evenly with kid Buu despite being even with SSJ2 Vegeta who loses badly when he tries to stall Kid Buu
You are using a scene NOT IN DRAGON BALL CANON to support this halfassed argument
Originally posted by EvilCap AmericaI thought that Akira toriyama worked on it, therefore it is canon, cause you know not everyone in DBZ has the same power levels at the same stages. 😉
Stupid @#$% that was filler how many times do i have to say it.GOKU never fought KID BUU in SSJ2
That is a FILLER SCENE added into the anime that is IMPOSSIBLE to fit into the storyline.Know why?Because SSJ2 Goku fights fairly evenly with kid Buu despite being even with SSJ2 Vegeta who loses badly when he tries to stall Kid Buu
You are using a scene NOT IN DRAGON BALL CANON to support this halfassed argument
sigh.... pushing a moon isn't a big deal... nor that planet with sub atomic engines or what ever....
Weight = The vertical force exerted by a mass as a result of gravity...
Weight is given to things in our atmosphere...
I.E 1 ton is 1 ton in earths atmosphere
Mass = The property of a body that causes it to have weight in a gravitational field
So Mass x gravity = Weight
So lifting 1 ton on earth is hard... But lifting 1 ton in space is easy
or is that too much science for you???
Pushing is not the same as lifting either....
people can pull lorries along roads... but they struggle to lift cars....
Supes pushing a moon is easier as....
1) these less gravity, so it has less weight...
2) hes not lifting it, so its not true testement to his strength
3) theres no friction in space... so theres no force fighting his push....
By that reasoning anyone should be able to push something in space. . . especially considering they aren't in space when pushing a planet. . . they are on the planet, virtually doing a head stand and pushing on it hard enough to break it out of the gravitational orbit it's in. Particularly considering there is no friction in space to push off against.
Originally posted by SlimYoutHe'd probably be a low level cosmic in Marvel, not even actually skyfather level.
What is it about Goku that makes him such an OD? Haven't characters from Marvel/DC been doing the same things he's done but worse? And longer? If you put Goku in DC/Marvel how damage could he do?
Originally posted by Creshosk
By that reasoning anyone should be able to push something in space. . . especially considering they aren't in space when pushing a planet. . . they are on the planet, virtually doing a head stand and pushing on it hard enough to break it out of the gravitational orbit it's in. Particularly considering there is no friction in space to push off against.
yes you are correct...
However Superman has a force he can push with... HE CAN FLY... How else is he going to push the moon around... I wish you would think about things...
Did supes push something with a gravitational obit??? or did he push something that was losing its orbit....
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
sigh.... pushing a moon isn't a big deal... nor that planet with sub atomic engines or what ever....Weight = The vertical force exerted by a mass as a result of gravity...
Weight is given to things in our atmosphere...
I.E 1 ton is 1 ton in earths atmosphereMass = The property of a body that causes it to have weight in a gravitational field
So Mass x gravity = WeightSo lifting 1 ton on earth is hard... But lifting 1 ton in space is easy
or is that too much science for you???
Pushing is not the same as lifting either....
people can pull lorries along roads... but they struggle to lift cars....
Supes pushing a moon is easier as....
1) these less gravity, so it has less weight...
2) hes not lifting it, so its not true testement to his strength
3) theres no friction in space... so theres no force fighting his push....
The moon's mass is still massive, as is the earth. The friction is relatively unimportant, considering that would only imply that it would continue its course when IN motion. In fact, friction can work against you, as you have to push the entire mass of the planet/moon out of its frictionless motion and against the gravitational field of the planet.
The mass of the Earth is somewhere in the range of 6 septillion tons or something of obscene nature like that. The mass of the moon is lesser, but the sheer mass of it is still huge.
So lifting 1 ton on earth is hard... But lifting 1 ton in space is easy
Depends on orientation. Technically, to "lift" a weight would be an inaccurate comparison, as there is simply no "up." However, if you tried to move a 1 ton weight, YOU would be moving instead of the weight, because you have less mass. It would only appear as the weight moving from your perspective.
people can pull lorries along roads... but they struggle to lift cars....
Yeah, it's called wheels. And people struggle with pulling a lorry too. It's not a strongman event for no reason.
1) these less gravity, so it has less weight...
2) hes not lifting it, so its not true testement to his strength
3) theres no friction in space... so theres no force fighting his push....
To actually MOVE the object, instead of having the object move him, he would have to generate enough force to counter the raw mass of the object. That is still an obscenely high amount of force.
It's not as simple as saying any force will jar it out of orbit. Otherwise all of those meteor impacts, or people jumping would jar the earth out of orbit. It hasn't happened yet, now has it?
And in case you were wondering, yes a meteor impact has ridiculous force, I could calculate it for you, but I hope you can envision it.
Originally posted by Illustrious
The moon's mass is still massive, as is the earth. The friction is relatively unimportant, considering that would only imply that it would continue its course when IN motion. In fact, friction can work against you, as you have to push the entire mass of the planet/moon out of its frictionless motion and against the gravitational field of the planet.The [b]mass
of the Earth is somewhere in the range of 6 septillion tons or something of obscene nature like that. The mass of the moon is lesser, but the sheer mass of it is still huge.Depends on orientation. Technically, to "lift" a weight would be an inaccurate comparison, as there is simply no "up." However, if you tried to move a 1 ton weight, YOU would be moving instead of the weight, because you have less mass. It would only appear as the weight moving from your perspective.
Yeah, it's called wheels. And people struggle with pulling a lorry too. It's not a strongman event for no reason.
To actually MOVE the object, instead of having the object move him, he would have to generate enough force to counter the raw mass of the object. That is still an obscenely high amount of force.
It's not as simple as saying any force will jar it out of orbit. Otherwise all of those meteor impacts, or people jumping would jar the earth out of orbit. It hasn't happened yet, now has it?
And in case you were wondering, yes a meteor impact has ridiculous force, I could calculate it for you, but I hope you can envision it. [/B]
I agree with all that you have said... I only wanted to give light to the Superman lifts 1 trillion tons feet they keep using... I was hoping to avoid going to that much detail.. I guess you felt like embleshing it...
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
yes you are correct...However Superman has a force he can push with... HE CAN FLY... How else is he going to push the moon around... I wish you would think about things...
Did supes push something with a gravitational obit??? or did he push something that was losing its orbit....
He pushed a heavily armored world with light speed continent sized engines pushing against him.
He's caught a moon sized ship in mid flight and tossed it light years into space.
Originally posted by SlimYoutThose are mid-high level cosmics.
Low cosmic as in Thanos, Tyrant, etc? Or are those choices too much/little to compare with?
Goku can't breathe in space, so this is a hampering. . . plus he can't go light speeds.
SS could beat Goku for example. And he's a mid level cosmic.