Goku v. Superman

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
wait so you want to tell me that supes is....1E9 megatons strong....

I require a plane with information on... which will then fly into the barn (my mouth)...

No, meaning Supes is FAR greater than 1E9 megatons strong, as even catastrophic 1E8 and 1E9 asteroid impacts have failed to jar the moon from orbit, much less a larger entity like the earth, which Superman has done before.

To put it at the absolute most basal level, Superman lands one mildly good punch (no Plot-induced stupidity here), and Goku dies. Period.

Superman is a constant force...

Something like a meteor is just a big one time force...

alot of the force behind a meteor isn't given off in motion... so not all of the energy isn't used to move the planet....

"To put it at the absolute most basal level, Superman lands one mildly good punch (no Plot-induced stupidity here), and Goku dies. Period."

Yet goku deflects planet distroying blasts... He has defected them... or when hit, survived...

Mother of all meteors came to kill vgeta and he said it would of been childs play to blow it up, but do to his gravity training and injuries,/not taking a break, it took everything he had, and he still blew it up.

Goku>>>Vegeta

However, in this case, Superman's force is simply momentum applied over a duration. Momentum is simply mass * velocity.

You could bombard a single spot on earth with wave after wave of meteors and it still wouldn't move it out of orbit? Why, because the force is far too insignificant to move the object. It would be like my analogy, trying to throw spitwads at a bowling ball, you could chuck them all with extreme speed, but it will still do absolutely nothing to the momentum of the bowling ball simply because they don't have enough initial force and velocity.

Constant force is simply force times a duration of time, if he couldn't cause the planet to move initially, all the duration of time of him using "constant force" afterwards is moot.

Yet goku deflects planet distroying blasts... He has defected them... or when hit, survived...

And Superman has flown from Earth to the Sun and back in under 2 minutes, that's 8 times the speed of light. Approximately 2.4 million km/s at the sheer force of Superman (enough to move a planet on your own concession) and clearly you see the power behind it is astronomically high. Besides, get rid of PIS, and Superman simply takes a casual sun dip and destroys Goku.

Also, when you describe "blasts" you are talking about energy, which can be dispersed, spread out, radiated, etc. Not a single solid object such as a fist flying in your face.

Originally posted by Illustrious
And Superman has flown from Earth to the Sun and back in under 2 minutes, that's 8 times the speed of light. Approximately 2.4 million km/s at the sheer force of Superman (enough to move a planet on your own concession) and clearly you see the power behind it is astronomically high. Besides, get rid of PIS, and Superman simply takes a casual sun dip and destroys Goku.

Also, when you describe "blasts" you are talking about energy, which can be dispersed, spread out, radiated, etc. Not a single solid object such as a fist flying in your face.

LOL supes top speed is about light speed, not 8 times it...

Supes goes to space for a sun dip, goku wins as supes has left the battle field....

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
LOL supes top speed is about light speed, not 8 times it...

Supes goes to space for a sun dip, goku wins as supes has left the battle field....

LoL, you never once defined the boundaries of the "battlefield," but suddenly there is one, and Superman loses because he goes into space and gets supercharged, right? Nevermind that he doesn't even NEED a sundip, he would simply knock Goku's head off, but if he did, it would just eliminate any doubt from even the fanboy's minds.

As for top speed about light speed, care to explain this scan? It has Superman flying BACKWARDS from a RED SUN faster than the rays. Also there is another scan of Superman taking WW towards the sun and back in 1:54, which is over 8 times the speed of light.

sooo supes is faster then the flash....

Supes gets his power from the yellow sun. This is noticed that Superman Prime, who camps his arse inside the sun, was able to move at superluminal velocity. Supes, when charged with solar energy can move at lightspeed and faster. And again, you never specified the battlefield, I assume a battle between Goku and Supes at full power could easily span the entire planet or more. Still, Goku better hope he dodges all of Supes full powered attacks.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That's what people forget about, the thing had engines that were moving against him. . .

"Full Thruster Countermeasure" Faster than Light speed engines, and Supes is still having a convo while moving the planet.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
sooo supes is faster then the flash....

Including a million times the speed of light (if you actually calculated the numbers. But he froze time and went at just under the speed of light. of course the speed of light is hard to measure when time is frozen. 😄) Can't fight the speedforce when it comes to speed. 🙂

What about the extreme heat and radiation delivered from a nuke? Could that be a better way to test out who is affected by what? In the series Cell was worried about the bomb inside of android 16. But then again it wasn't an ordinary nuke. Also the sun seems to be a problem for the saiyans. Tao Pai whatever was taken out by a grenade/bomb, yet he could lace up the moon. Why can't people understand that as tough as the saiyans are, they can't take everything and they are not the strongest?

Superman

Randomly move planets when the storyline calls for it next issues gets strength drops to a level when doing a Hulk Hogan style Double coconut headsmash can KO him for the rest of the comic.This argument is TOTALLY supported y the "Lets jerk Sups dick by forgetting Crisis happened" moments that show up every once in a while rather than what his power has leveled off too

Frieza destroyed an average sized planet by waving his hand at it really hard.Not a punch or an energy blast he waved his hand at Planet Vegeta and destroyed it.

600 times weaker than that was Saiyan Saga Vegeta who took an attack stronger than the one he planned to use to destroy Earth and was only slightly injured.

SSJ1 and up Goku>Frieza>"Jerked dick" Superman moments>Saiyan Saga Vegeta>Normal Superman

lol but you can't prove any of that...
Why can't you scan in episodeds to prove it?? LOL

Way to not read any of the thread and then come in and spout of nonsense, EvilCap America, I hope you are proud.

Randomly move planets when the storyline calls for it next issues gets strength drops to a level when doing a Hulk Hogan style Double coconut headsmash can KO him for the rest of the comic.

So? You have Goku getting his ass kicked, killed, revived, and kicking ass about 5 times in each DBZ saga, what does this have anything to do with anything? Literally, you're grasping at straws with this one. We're talking about a straight up versus, bloodlust and full power is in effect.

This argument is TOTALLY supported y the "Lets jerk Sups dick by forgetting Crisis happened" moments that show up every once in a while rather than what his power has leveled off too

Outside of the horrible writing conventions of this sentence, it still doesn't show anything. Post-Crisis Superman HAS done feats like these before, period. You blaming it on "jerking Superman's dick" is a cop out and fanboyism. I could just as easily say Superman beats Goku because all DBZ uses are the same 3 fightning animations and a bunch of bubbles, but that wouldn't be anywhere near as far as simply proving your ignorant ass wrong.

Frieza destroyed an average sized planet by waving his hand at it really hard.Not a punch or an energy blast he waved his hand at Planet Vegeta and destroyed it.

Okay? Naga Sadow (SW EU) waved his hand and litterally flung and crushed a star, what exactly does this have to do with Goku and Superman?

600 times weaker than that was Saiyan Saga Vegeta who took an attack stronger than the one he planned to use to destroy Earth and was only slightly injured.

And Superman has taken hits from cosmic level entities that consume worlds and entire galaxies (do you want to figures for how many stars are in a galaxy now?) and has survived. What's your point?

SSJ1 and up Goku>Frieza>"Jerked dick" Superman moments>Saiyan Saga Vegeta>Normal Superman

Oh, the infamous greater than sign. It's the end all of all discussion for those pitiable people who can't string together a half-decent argument. Look, Naga Sadow could crush stars at will, would he beat Superman? No. Superman is too fast, too strong, too durable, and has too many weapons. Simply because SSJ Goku beat Frieza who destroyed a planet doesn't mean Goku has that capability or that it has much relevence.

Hell, if that were the case, I could site all those times when Goku summoned Spirit Bombs for an episode and a half and still only left a little crater. You have to substantiate, instead of assume.

Again, the "jerked dick" argument is pansy. Superman has survived a black hole. Ask me or Deus Ex, either of us will show you the facts for singularity.

He has survived ground zero supernovas, again, ask if you want to actually become informed.

He has survived cosmic level beat downs from HIGHER entities in the MULTIVERSE, again, ask if you want to be rescued from ignorance.

You are debating off fanboyism, grasping at straws, and not substantiating anything. Good job on being an ignorant fanboy.

OK.... FINALY! someone who I can actually ask this too...

PROVE to me plz that supes could actually survive a black hole...
...not just " he has in the comic book"
I mean... If infinate gravity didn't crush him.... how did he get killed by doomsday... Let alone hurt in any comic book....

Originally posted by Illustrious
Way to not read any of the thread and then come in and spout of nonsense, EvilCap America, I hope you are proud.

So? You have Goku getting his ass kicked, killed, revived, and kicking ass about 5 times in each DBZ saga, what does this have anything to do with anything? Literally, you're grasping at straws with this one. We're talking about a straight up versus, bloodlust and full power is in effect.

Yeah Goku gets his ass kicked 5 times by stronger chasracters then usually becomes stronger in some way and winz.Superman is written randomly up and down and the writers cant seem to keep it straight.Whats his normal level?Dunno but that doesnt stop Sups supporters from picking the "I juggle black holes" moments and iignoring the many times he has been swatted and downed by something pretty average

Outside of the horrible writing conventions of this sentence, it still doesn't show anything. Post-Crisis Superman HAS done feats like these before, period. You blaming it on "jerking Superman's dick" is a cop out and fanboyism. I could just as easily say Superman beats Goku because all DBZ uses are the same 3 fightning animations and a bunch of bubbles, but that wouldn't be anywhere near as far as simply proving your ignorant ass wrong.

Supermans feats have jumped back and forth randomly calling the actual capability of Sups into question.And dont give me that cop-out crap im pointing out that Sups supporters are ignoring every single god damn time he gets knocked out by something that wouldnt have phased DB Goku.Next 3 fighting animations?Been watching Cartoon Network complete with all filler scenes and everything?Good for you now go read the Manga.Finally make fun of my sentance structure again and ill call you non-straight

Okay? Naga Sadow (SW EU) waved his hand and litterally flung and crushed a star, what exactly does this have to do with [b]Goku and Superman?

Frieza destroyed a planet while waving his hand SSJ1 Goku was much stronger and his power increase several times higher than that meaning a guy that could wave his hand to destroy a world couldnt even scratch him later on.Sups is supposed to comepte with that?

And Superman has taken hits from cosmic level entities that consume worlds and entire galaxies (do you want to figures for how many stars are in a galaxy now?) and has survived. What's your point?

and then he gets KOed last year in JSA/JLA Virtue when Despero gave him a Hulkster style double knoggin knocker with Captain marvel and that didnt cause the planet to split in twain.You cant pick and choose issues where Sups is god and ignore the ones where he gets slapped around around

Oh, the infamous greater than sign. It's the end all of all discussion for those pitiable people who can't string together a half-decent argument. Look, Naga Sadow could crush stars at will, would he beat Superman? No. Superman is too fast, too strong, too durable, and has too many weapons. Simply because SSJ Goku beat Frieza who destroyed a planet doesn't mean Goku has that capability or that it has much relevence.

Considering that everything in DBZ was portionatally rated to a nebulous "Sttrength" rating including durability and speed id say that he isnt slow weak and unable to take a punch

Hell, if that were the case, I could site all those times when Goku summoned Spirit Bombs for an episode and a half and still only left a little crater. You have to substantiate, instead of assume.

You mean the one time he used the Spirit Bomb successfully and terraformed Naek with it because the blast was taken head on by 50% power Frieza who came out of it with a bruised eye and the end of his tail burned off?Because other than that the Spirit Bomb rarely ever appears let alone works.Anyways the majority of the time time the big energy blasts are specifically STATED to be directed away from the planet[especially in the Cell saga] so the world isnt destroyed by every single fight

Again, the "jerked dick" argument is pansy. Superman has survived a black hole. Ask me or Deus Ex, either of us will show you the facts for singularity.

Ok so why didnt Earth crack in alf when Ferrus [martian manhunter in crazy form] ***** slapped Superman aside several times?If it hurt him THAT bad it should be been much stronger than a Black Hole so why was Earth standing?After all if the DBZ characters are THAT weak and Sups physcially THAT strong a single punch should be able to that

He has survived ground zero supernovas, again, ask if you want to actually become informed.

GLs struggle and can contain Supernovas thats about it.Anyone else standing there without damage is assnumbingly rediculous

He has survived cosmic level beat downs from HIGHER entities in the MULTIVERSE, again, ask if you want to be rescued from ignorance.

Great SSJ2 Goku was stronger than their universe own creator god and the beast tat ate him then factor in that hes ranked about 8th place at the end of the series and its even worse

You are debating off fanboyism, grasping at straws, and not substantiating anything. Good job on being an ignorant fanboy

Fanboy the cry of the loser.Fotr all the time ive been on these boards ive been NOTHING buta hardcore DC fan that wee-wees on everything Masrvel at the drop of a hat.Problem is i try and keep topics i go into balanced and dont automatically take any one side much like what i am doing in this stupid topic defending one of the most overrated overexposed Anime/Mangas along with the people on my side bringing up crap like DB:Gt.Ifanythign i HATE the concept of this topic but im here anyways because i wont swallow trie bullcrap from dicks who get off arguring for the attention
. [/B]

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
OK.... FINALY! someone who I can actually ask this too...

PROVE to me plz that supes could actually survive a black hole...
...not just " he has in the comic book"
I mean... If infinate gravity didn't crush him.... how did he get killed by doomsday... Let alone hurt in any comic book....

Don't be ridiculous, infinite gravity would be infinite pull from something with infinite mass and would have infinite reach. 🙂

Forget it cresh I have been over this time and time again with you...

I want new imput...

Originally posted by Illustrious
Way to not read any of the thread and then come in and spout of nonsense, EvilCap America, I hope you are proud.

So? You have Goku getting his ass kicked, killed, revived, and kicking ass about 5 times in each DBZ saga, what does this have anything to do with anything? Literally, you're grasping at straws with this one. We're talking about a straight up versus, bloodlust and full power is in effect.

Outside of the horrible writing conventions of this sentence, it still doesn't show anything. Post-Crisis Superman HAS done feats like these before, period. You blaming it on "jerking Superman's dick" is a cop out and fanboyism. I could just as easily say Superman beats Goku because all DBZ uses are the same 3 fightning animations and a bunch of bubbles, but that wouldn't be anywhere near as far as simply proving your ignorant ass wrong.

Okay? Naga Sadow (SW EU) waved his hand and litterally flung and crushed a star, what exactly does this have to do with [b]Goku and Superman?

And Superman has taken hits from cosmic level entities that consume worlds and entire galaxies (do you want to figures for how many stars are in a galaxy now?) and has survived. What's your point?

Oh, the infamous greater than sign. It's the end all of all discussion for those pitiable people who can't string together a half-decent argument. Look, Naga Sadow could crush stars at will, would he beat Superman? No. Superman is too fast, too strong, too durable, and has too many weapons. Simply because SSJ Goku beat Frieza who destroyed a planet doesn't mean Goku has that capability or that it has much relevence.

Hell, if that were the case, I could site all those times when Goku summoned Spirit Bombs for an episode and a half and still only left a little crater. You have to substantiate, instead of assume.

Again, the "jerked dick" argument is pansy. Superman has survived a black hole. Ask me or Deus Ex, either of us will show you the facts for singularity.

He has survived ground zero supernovas, again, ask if you want to actually become informed.

He has survived cosmic level beat downs from HIGHER entities in the MULTIVERSE, again, ask if you want to be rescued from ignorance.

You are debating off fanboyism, grasping at straws, and not substantiating anything. Good job on being an ignorant fanboy. [/B]

This about covers it. And when you reply next time, Cap, don't reply IN the quotes.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Forget it cresh I have been over this time and time again with you...

I want new imput...

Technically, he's wrong. The pull of a blackhole is so strong, it is effectively infinite past the "event horizon." But that's another debate.