Goku v. Superman

just for the record, and officially listed power levels by DBZ's creator, ss does not make the sayians twice as strong, goku when he first threw down on freiza was at 300,000, he got pissed and went ss, his level was a 15,000,000, 50x time stronger, and as their power increases it just get s magnified by that much more, in the beginning of DBZ raditz was at 1200, he lifted a truck with one hand, lets say its a 'light' truck and weighs in a 1500 lbs. lets do some math. 15,000,000 divided by 1200 = 12,500, goku was 12,500 time stonger than raditz when he first turned supersayian, that would mean he could lift 12,500 * 1500, which is 18,750,000 lbs. now lets assume goku only gains 4 time more power when he goes ss4, ( even though with his constant training it would be much higher, 18,750,000 * 4 = 75,000,000 lbs, Damn. i know the earth weighs more as im sure one of you will be quick to point out, but im not arguing about goku vs supes, im just trying to put a stop to you people saying that he will lose to characters such as magneto, he can move faster than supes by the way, hes faster than a photon, in instant transmision, and if you say ' he only goes places in instant transmission' watch him fight metal cooler in the 6th DBZ movie, instant transmission style fighting, MABEY the flash could keep up 😄

i'm sorry guys...i didn't mean to offend you.....i suck at debating...*sigh* any way i like goku better so he wins! 😛 😄

oh yeah by the way raditz didn't strugle or break a sweat when he lifted that truck (with one hand) so lets say he applies both hands therefore twice as much weight witch would mean Goku would be able to lift 75,000,000*2= 150,000,000 lbs, (by the way not breaking a sweat) and i said the truck was a measily, 1500 lbs, little s-10 blazers weigh in at 2800 lbs for the record so thats preety much doubling weight again.... you get the picture. GOKU is no weakling that could get taken down by at least '100' dc characters, not to meantion getting destroyed by the marvel universe.

this is a theory from pojo.com i thought might interest some people out ther e and answer a few questions about DBZ

Albert Einstein theorized that time and gravity are a close link. He also said if you travel at the speed of light your body will age slower than people that are not. If you travel at the speed of light for 10 years, came back to earth, you'll be 10,000 years into the future (or something like that). In 1976 a physicist theorized you can travel back in time by getting and object with a gravity 100,000 stronger than our sun's, stand at the edge of it, and spin the object close to light speed. The exact opposite of going to the future in which you must go at the speed of light.

Remember, the higher ones gravity or weight in proportion to one's relative gravity, the faster time would travel. To an ant, life seems just as long as to an elephant. That's why flies have much better reflexes.

Now, imagine the Earth, the Sun and a blackhole laying on top of a rubber sheet. Earth will bend the sheet a little and the Sun will bend the sheet a lot because its heavier. A Black Hole on the other hand will break through the sheet. The Black Hole has such a powerful gravity that even light cannot escape. The Black Hole is quite literally making it's own time frame and own universe. In other words, if you bend gravity, you bend time. Any physicist will tell you this.

Now your reading this and saying to yourself "What the heck does this have to do with anything!"
Well one night I connected this theory with why in DBZ they have really fast reflexes and move so fast! As one recalls, in DBZ they obviously move faster than the speed of sound without making sonic booms. continued in next post.

In the next paragraph I hope I will make DBZ scientifically possible
Did you ever notice why gravity seems to be the main topic of massive powerlevel increases? That's because Goku is able to adapt to lets say 450 times gravity. To him, normal now is 450 times gravity. Everything in the normal gravity world just seems slow when he's charged up. Sure, there are other ways of become ungodly powerful in DBZ without gravity training, but this is concrete evidence. Goku in which now mastered time a gravity himself because earth's gravity is no longer an obstacle.

Couple paragraphs ago I said that DBZ characters usually don't make sonic booms even though they travel much faster than the speed of sound. Well, think about it. Vegeta is like a black hole, his power is so strong that he's able (you guessed it) bend time and gravity himself! History lesson: In 1996 a French physicist proposed on can travel at the speed of light without actually going the speed of light. If you can squeeze the gravity ahead of you, you can get past the object faster but still going at the same speed. That's because there's less distance between you and your desired point. What Vegeta does is bend gravity ahead of him so he can get closer, lets say, Recoom, without having to break the law of physics which does not permit traveling close to the speed of light. The higher one's powerlevel, the higher one's "gravity". So Vegeta gets to Recoom without actually traveling faster than the speed of sound in which ladies and gentleman, without making a sonic boom.

Why do you think when character charge up, they strangely alter gravity around them? Or when two character lock up, the ground around them creates a crater? They create their own gravity. Akira Toriyama is a smart fellow. He probably knew this without actually knowing why.

PS- Isn't it funny that the same gravity enhancing ship that Goku used to get to planet Namek also lets him travel beyond light speed. Remember, it's supposed to take years at light speed travel to get from one star to another. Just a thought.

Graet so now you throw more theoretical science at us rather than proof?

Oh and those wonderful numbers that don't translate well . . .

Originally posted by Creshosk
Graet so now you throw more theoretical science at us rather than proof?

Oh and those wonderful numbers that don't translate well . . .

#1 which numbers don't translate well, ill be happy to explain any if you cant comprehend.

#2 i wasn't trying to 'PROVE' goku is stronger than supes as i wrote in my post earlier.

#3 it isn't my theoretical science and the gravity thing in the theoretical science proves how strong supes is, not just how DBZ might work. (escaping from a black hole right)

# and before you mock my math ill mock your spelling: 'graet' (jks)

I love superman just as much as i love goku, don't missread my posts and attack me

Deus and I have thrown similar numbers, and guess what? They are greater than what you have shown for Goku. If Goku starts throwing 1E9 Megaton blasts with one finger at tremendously rapid speed, he might have an outside chance of tangoing with Supes for a bit.

GOKU is no weakling that could get taken down by at least '100' dc characters, not to meantion getting destroyed by the marvel universe.

Saying that MU and DCU can't destroy Goku? Supes would take Goku, Wonder Woman likely could too off just the JLA. Then of course, you have celestial and cosmic level entities. Silver Surfer would make Goku his b!tch. Skyfather characters would absolutely destroy him. Thanos would simply laugh off all his attacks and beat him to a pulp. Thor would smack him around. Gladiator would blitz him to forever and back. Apocalypse or Onslaught would toss him like a ragdoll.

Hell, if I wanted more names, I could always throw in people like Spectre, Galactus, Phoenix, Exitar, Lucifer, Michael, Imperiex, and any other high end character that would simply pound Goku into oblivion and back.

There are probably a 100 characters in the comics that could beat around Supes, much less Goku.

Couple paragraphs ago I said that DBZ characters usually don't make sonic booms even though they travel much faster than the speed of sound. Well, think about it. Vegeta is like a black hole, his power is so strong that he's able (you guessed it) bend time and gravity himself! History lesson: In 1996 a French physicist proposed on can travel at the speed of light without actually going the speed of light. If you can squeeze the gravity ahead of you, you can get past the object faster but still going at the same speed. That's because there's less distance between you and your desired point. What Vegeta does is bend gravity ahead of him so he can get closer, lets say, Recoom, without having to break the law of physics which does not permit traveling close to the speed of light. The higher one's powerlevel, the higher one's "gravity". So Vegeta gets to Recoom without actually traveling faster than the speed of sound in which ladies and gentleman, without making a sonic boom.

Theoretical, substantiate this or keep it out of a debate.

refer to above post, im not saying goku is stronger than supes, got it? I said my self that the world weighs more than what he can lift.....I Fv<king said it myself, Wonder woman? Im not a huge fan so i don't read want to give me some examples how she is faster not to mention stronger? not to mentiong fighting skill and experience???? Don't get me wrong im not attacking you guys and you fave characters ok? Im just saying goku is no lightweight that anyone in the marvel/dc univers can take out, he may be dumb in everyday life but in combat he is a cunning expert well versed in many martial arts, all of which he has mastered. By the way i think Galactus would rip him a new assh@le, but not the silver surfer, ive read his comic and out of personal opinion i don't see huge diff in power or speed, but then you get to fighting tech... could you give me some numbers you discussed about thor, Gladiator ect..? thanks, no hard feelings right, just good debate

yeah.. just a good debate...

Whiteeclispse? Do you really think Akira Toriyama was taking all this into concederation? Nope I don't think so....

Stop with all the numbers, I couldn't even get throught the first post without like having my mind blown by numbers.... anyway the only stated pl on SSJ Goku is from the Daizenshuu (sp*) and:

1. It is unknown wheater AKira had a hand in the Daiz

2. The daiz's pls have too many contridiction and are not taken seriously...

why are you guys attacking him.... he's not trying to say goku is better or anything like that he's simply stating what goku is capable of...geez...you guys are FANBOYS!

EXACTLY, thank you AdventChild i really appreciate that

Guess what? Since neither of you seem to understand the dynamics of a debate, I'll educate.

In a debate, you bring up RELEVANT discussion and attempt to put it in context and argue a point. If you have no point, go to the off-topic forum.

I could go into a long-winded conversation about my weekend, but that has nothing to do with the thread and doesn't have a place.

So either take a point and debate it, or stop plugging in random numbers that only waste time.

who's debating anymore geez.....go back from which you came...you're not wanted here at kmc...

in a bloodlust battle I'd put my money on superman...he was next to an explosion that had the force of 100,000 nukes go off.. after he just got an ass whoopin by doomsday and he wasn't even KOed..

aside from that he dragged darksieds near lifeless body to the end of the universe over the course of 4 panals... before he even finished a speech....

he's faster (presumably)...although dbz guys may have better fighting speed.. it still takes them entire episodes to cover the distance of a planet... goku has his intant transmission... but if supes can keep pace with flash (who can evacuate an entire city AFTER the explosion of a massive bomb already goes off) well....., he's also physically stronger, and doesn't need oxygen... big factors....

it would be a hell of a fight... and I used to think that goku would win this fight guaranteed anywhere after ss2... but after actually thinking things out and reading some superman feats i have to go with the guy with an s on his chest here...

Originally posted by Illustrious
LMAO, I school your ass and you get defensive; and you say I'm "trash talking." You don't know anything about me and you throw around assumptions, kinda like your arguments.

You're honestly one of the stupidest "16 yr old girls" I've ever met.

Congratulations, you're a moron. Now where did I put that Janus plaque?

Well, I think the Goku supporters are losing out to the old catchphrase "Dumb as a bag of hammers."...

well goku's not really intelligent persay.. but in terms of fighting he's a damned fighting genious... and clark really isn't well known for outsmarting his enemies on a regular basis...