Goku v. Superman

Started by 50YEN189 pages

HAHAHA Now you guys are calling me a fanboy?? Look the last several pages are just you guys ranting back and forth to each other about how great Superman is. And you're calling me a fanboy? At least I dont feel so insecure about my statements as to come on and just rant with a bunch of guys who agree with everything I say to make myself feel better. As for proof, There's no need to post it. If you watch All of the DBZ eps and DBGT eps, It should be obvious. You comic guys are just pissed and threatened because an Anime chracter is more powerful than your beloved US icon. In japan characters are more spiritual and can pull incredible feats without having powers. It's all about Guts and determination and most of all dreams. For the US it seems that all the characters rely only on their powers or some other gimmick. Superman has a good set of powers, He's insanely fast, super strong and has the ability to fly among other things but that wont be enough to beat Goku. Goku at SSJ1 is just as strong, Just as fast, a MUCH BETTER Fighter and can take on guys like Superman 5 at a time. Goku just surpasses superman everywhere that counts when it comes to combat. Again watch DBZ with an OPEN MIND and the answer should be clear. Superman is not as tough as ppl say he is and he's nowhere near as good a fighter and his combat ability is way lower than Goku. I mean what does every new big storyline DC villain do when they first come in to show how badass they are? They go and Hand Superman his ass and most of those guys cant even touch Goku. Like I said SSJ1 should do the job.

Have fun guys with your Superman fanboy meeting -_^

Originally posted by 50YEN
As for proof, There's no need to post it.
That's why you are called a fanboy.

Instead of actually trying to debate your point you attack, and flame and don't even bother trying to prove your case.

"Go watch the show to know what a god Goku is!"

Sorry, but that's what makes you a fanboy, there is nothing fanboyish about debating using actual proof, logic and reasoning.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That's why you are called a fanboy.

Instead of actually trying to debate your point you attack, and flame and don't even bother trying to prove your case.

"Go watch the show to know what a god Goku is!"

Sorry, but that's what makes you a fanboy, there is nothing fanboyish about debating using actual proof, logic and reasoning.

There's plenty of fanboy in debating and trying to show your proof. The fact you all discuss the greatness of superman is fanboy enough.

As for debating I can debate just fine but seeing as you guys are bunch of US comic snobs same as the ones at the comic shops, I dont see much point to continue as posting a long list of Goku's feats in comparison to Superman's would be like writing a book. I can come up with a list of things that could counter any Superman feat you show but of course you would just label me off as a "fanboy" and insult me and all that. The point is, anything I do you'll just insult me even if my proof is substantial. After all you guys are the ones who attacked me first. Now you're all trying to turn it around like I'm the one who started it. If you go back there are no flames in my first post here.

I dont care if you dont believe me I never posted in any hope that it would change anyone's mind. As I've been in this debate many times and have a good idea of how the outcome is.

Also, the points that have been posted your "proof, logic and resoning" for supes is still not good enough. If you wish I will post the scans of Gokus feats from the manga and possibly screens from the anime since it's obvious you all dont have very much knowlege of DBZ universe. but it will take time.

Infact I can post entire chapters if it's legal to do so. But I'll need to research on that.

Instead of saying "ZoMg I CaN ProVe GokU Da StRoNgesT!"....... You should acctually post proof

Originally posted by 50YEN
There's plenty of fanboy in debating and trying to show your proof. The fact you all discuss the greatness of superman is fanboy enough.
You obviously don't understand the term. There is a difference between being a fan and being a fanboy.

Discussing the greatness of a character makes you a fan.

Championing your character above another and going agasingt logiic and reasoning makes you a fanboy.

Originally posted by 50YEN
As for debating I can debate just fine
Then do so and present the supporting evidence and proof for your side. Don't make unsupported claims. Can you do that much?

Originally posted by 50YEN
but seeing as you guys are bunch of US comic snobs
Okay japanese comic snob, throwing around insults is easy to do. How about you try and debate properly for once in your life?

Originally posted by 50YEN
same as the ones at the comic shops, I dont see much point to continue as posting a long list of Goku's feats in comparison to Superman's would be like writing a book.
The point is to debate properly. By refusing to show supportive evidence for your side you buy into fanboyism.

Originally posted by 50YEN
I can come up with a list of things that could counter any Superman feat you show but of course you would just label me off as a "fanboy"
Not ifd you show the evidence. Not really a hard concept is it? Make a claim and then show support.

Originally posted by 50YEN
and insult me and all that.
You reap what you sow.

Originally posted by 50YEN
The point is, anything I do you'll just insult me even if my proof is substantial.
Try it. I dare you.

Originally posted by 50YEN
After all you guys are the ones who attacked me first.[/b[]/quote] You opened yourself for it by dismissing the evidence we showed without reveiwing it and by not supporting your claims.

[QUOTE=5169010]Originally posted by 50YEN
[B] Now you're all trying to turn it around like I'm the one who started it.

You opened yourself up to it. Please, show us this mountain of evidence in Goku's favor, so far no one has wanted to ante up to the challenge.

Originally posted by 50YEN
If you go back there are no flames in my first post here.
No, just fanboyism.

"But Supes cant beat Goku, Infact I doubt many characters can, Toriyama sensei made Goku pretty much a god."

Originally posted by 50YEN
I dont care if you dont believe me I never posted in any hope that it would change anyone's mind.
So why are you posting? You obviously don't want to debate poroperly and are making up excuses to dodge the issue.

Originally posted by 50YEN
As I've been in this debate many times and have a good idea of how the outcome is.
Actually its an idea that asofyet is based on no supportative evidence and simple bais claims.

You like goku better, that's fine. But noe reaon for him to win, as Ad populem is an invalid argument.

Originally posted by 50YEN
Also, the points that have been posted your "proof, logic and resoning" for supes is still not good enough.
And you are treading back into fanyboy territory. As Logic, reasonig and proof are things that are essential to debate.

Originally posted by 50YEN
If you wish I will post the scans of Gokus feats from the manga and possibly screens from the anime since it's obvious you all dont have very much knowlege of DBZ universe.
Oh we have pleanty, we just have either never seen or can't remember any feats that do counter Superman's feats.

Originally posted by 50YEN
but it will take time. /[quote] Then do it and stop making excuses.

[QUOTE=5169010]Originally posted by 50YEN
Infact I can post entire chapters if it's legal to do so. But I'll need to research on that.

We don't need entire chapters, just feats. So far Goku has none that really support his side. We've shown Superman to be able to go 8 times the speed of light, and is strong enough to contain a microblack hole. He takes planet destroying blasts, and survives a double black hole.

What does the other side have? Hyperbole and hearsay. Nothing substantiated.

And that guy still hasn't replied to the challenge?

Kinda disproves the whole "childish" argument he has.

That's a good post Cresh, 50Yen should be able to figure out the difference between a "fan" and a "fanboy."

We're "fans" of superman because we talk about him and are willing to prove that he is greater. You're a "fanboy" of Goku because you have no proof but you champion the character against all semblance of evidence and reason.

Good job for proving that you are 5 years old.

Pwn3d! Very very nice, Cresh.

Originally posted by TPinaPimp
wrong.... It still takes Goku some time to lock onto ki even when infront of somebody. Unless you think your assumtion is more valid then a character stating this...

Anyway in the manga/jap it is called Instantious teleportantion.

P😖: Jin your saying Kid Buu being weaker then Supes is assumtion?

1. Kid Buu attacked the planet pyshically and acctually didn't do anything

2. Kid BUu is weaker then Goku

kid buu attacked a kai planet.. are we forgetting the z sword training?

So how did the huminite (a superman bad guy) hurt supes....

speed manga 7 an there so weak.... Goku training in 100 gravity and moving so fast in manga 7 so speed and power is required...no...and then when vegeta did it it was 300-400 gravity.....and they are not even ssj...at ALL...so one handed hand stand push ups in 100 gravity after taking a kamehameha blast then he does back flips in the gravity he throws a rock fast as he cans on pg 87 and runs so fast he catched it at the other side, and this is goku before he reaches namek...so you thinking he is not fast at all and that you speak of him as he is batmans speed.....ok I will type more....hold up..

You still didn't answer.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
speed manga 7 an there so weak.... Goku training in 100 gravity and moving so fast in manga 7 so speed and power is required...no...and then when vegeta did it it was 300-400 gravity.....and they are not even ssj...at ALL...so one handed hand stand push ups in 100 gravity after taking a kamehameha blast then he does back flips in the gravity he throws a rock fast as he cans on pg 87 and runs so fast he catched it at the other side, and this is goku before he reaches namek...so you thinking he is not fast at all and that you speak of him as he is batmans speed.....ok I will type more....hold up..
Some how running fast in 300 times gravity, isn't as impressive as moving fast enough to escape a black hole. . . let alone a double black hole.

Humanite took supes....anyway mangfa 7 still vegeta throw the dragon ball with his blast(the blast travel very fast and goes to the sun some times) but then berta took off and caught it in a flash.....speed feat...and goku is ssj3 now and billions times faster..

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Humanite took supes....anyway mangfa 7 still vegeta throw the dragon ball with his blast(the blast travel very fast and goes to the sun some times) but then berta took off and caught it in a flash.....speed feat...and goku is ssj3 now and billions times faster..

Not even photons can escape a blackhole moving at lightspeed dude. Matter, which is so much heavier than photons it's ridiculous, would find the escape velocity MUCH higher. Which of course means Superman is accelerating at ridiculous speed. If you know anything about physics, you'd realize that F = ma. With the pull of a double-black hole being effectively infinite, the acceleration is absolutely ridiculous.

That feat tops anything I've seen in DBZ, ever.

And you still haven't answered my question or accepted my challenge. Funny, it sure would look like you're cowarding right now.

I don't even know your question since i said i wasn't listening to your babble because you keep trying to insult, so i only speak to dvamp and cresh unless you want to stop getting so hostile ?

the huminite hit superman....

I challenged you to a fair, moderated debate.

How's that insulting?

If insulting means "I can't hold a candle and will get blown out of the water, so I will blame him for being 'hostile'", then sure, I am very insulting.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
I don't even know your question since i said i wasn't listening to your babble because you keep trying to insult, so i only speak to dvamp and cresh unless you want to stop getting so hostile ?

the huminite hit superman....

Translation: I won't deal with you because I'm immature and your argument just pwned the hell out of me.

Back to this "huminite" thingy...

I know, people... let's compare Superman's low-end feats versus Goku's high end feats! Yay!

Originally posted by Illustrious
I challenged you to a fair, moderated debate.

How's that insulting?

If insulting means "I can't hold a candle and will get blown out of the water, so I will blame him for being 'hostile'", then sure, I am very insulting.

what..i didnt even read that part...I was talking about your garbage from before.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
I know, people... let's compare Superman's low-end feats versus Goku's high end feats! Yay!

Yup, strawman.

Do you know what that means Twisted?

My challenge is still active. I will let appoint a moderator of your choice (provided he passes a basic debate quiz) if you let me appoint one of mine.

Then, we can decide it like adults. If you are too afraid though, I understand.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Translation: I won't deal with you because I'm immature and your argument just pwned the hell out of me.

Back to this "huminite" thingy...

I know, people... let's compare Superman's low-end feats versus Goku's high end feats! Yay!

Right like when you guys said goku gets killed by small rock soand can't catch bullets.

then I said machine gun fire to gokus head as a little boy then raddiz caught bullet....in dragon fist gohan caught mad bullltes as well.....

YOU DON'T HAVE SUPERMAN COMICS