The Punisher vs Dr.Doom

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Moreover, why is this relevant? It's The Punisher Vs Doom.

Don't understand why everyone felches the debaters on here. You need to go 80 miles off topic to get anywhere.

-AC

Anyway, keeping in the spirit of off-topic...

Originally posted by demigawd
You trying to say that Thanos' cosmically-powered girlfriend would have been incapable of beheading Doom???

You were trying to tell me that Iron Man was beheaded with a 'bladed weapon'...your glasses must have been foggy when you were reading that, cause I didn't see any bladed weapon on her. It looked like she just pulled his head off. Plus you tried to demean Doom, even though he withstood a blast that would have shattered IM to a million pieces. There's no basis to make that assumption, you say? Didn't Stark himself at one time admit to himself that Doom's armour was on a whole 'nother level compared to his? I believe so. You do the math from there.

Let's examine a contradiction of yours for a second...

It's only a feat if you stood up to the same attack everybody else fell to.

Did Thanos not stand up to the same attack as Terrax, Morg, SS, Gladiator, BRB, Jack, and that girl (can't remember her name) when he fought Tyrant? Yes. Oh wait...now you're saying you're not impressed cause it was 'expected' of him cause he powered himself up...well was it 'expected' of Doom to survive a blast from the IG? Did he power himself up? No. Did he face the same Thanos that everyone else faced, in terms of power and tenacity? Yes.

Contradiction in your belief? Yes.

So while it may be an impressive feat,

So you acknowledge that the feat was impressive, right?

we don't know just how impressive it is because Thanos didn't energy blast anybody else. Maybe Iron Man could have survived the same blast? Hell, maybe Cap with his shield could have. We really have no basis for comparison, so it's not as impressive as you Doom fanboys make it out to be.

Fanboy? FANBOY?

Whenever Thanos attacked someone, he meant it...and it was probably at least tenfold from what he was capable of without the IG...and it's rather ridiculous to think that he let up when blasting Doom.

Put yourself in that position...you're fighting a legion of heroes, you get nailed by Mjolnir and drop to the ground...the Gauntlet is vulnerable...someone comes to grab it, is your first instinct not to blow that motherf*cker away as far as possible?

Hopefully you'll understand now.

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As for bakerboy and his illinformed half-truths...your opinions don't count around here anymore, cause you were considered null and void quite some time ago. You are an exceedingly simple individual to figure out. You have decided to take up a position on this debate, just to be on a side, any side, and yet you lack even the simplest faculties to be a useful part of it. Your logic is deficient, at best. Continue waving the flag, though...it's amusing. You and Mider should hook up with stormfront and create your own little clique...we'll call you the Axis of Idiocy, cause it suits your personas to a tee.

Originally posted by Lord S
I think demi was the first one to derail this thread with his name-dropping antics of a few days ago. The thread simply lost focus since then. I've only tried to make the point about the durability of Doom's armour...which demi continues to ignore.

That's right, blame me. I just said Doom is overrated and did things other people have done, which is on-topic. Beyonder blew up one little example I used and made it the focus of the rest of the discussion. Wasn't MY fault.

I'm not ignoring anything. Doom took a shot from Thanos. Bully for him. He got wasted by Terrax in one attack. Oops.

Where in the world did you read that?

Your quote that "then you'd lose", when I said, "If some cosmic wanted to make a bet with me that Doom wouldn't get his head taken off by Thanos' chick, I wouldn't take him up on it". You're implying by your response that I'd lose the bet because Doom couldn't get his head taken off by her. He can...he would.

You were trying to tell me that Iron Man was beheaded with a 'bladed weapon'...your glasses must have been foggy when you were reading that, cause I didn't see any bladed weapon on her. It looked like she just pulled his head off.

just re-reviewed it. You're correct. She could *pull* Doom's head off too.

Plus you tried to demean Doom, even though he withstood a blast that would have shattered IM to a million pieces. There's no basis to make that assumption, you say? Didn't Stark himself at one time admit to himself that Doom's armour was on a whole 'nother level compared to his? I believe so. You do the math from there.

Heroes always say things to make themselves appear to be the underdog. Look at how often Superman says, "Wow, he's even stronger than I am!" two seconds before completely owning his opponent, then he says afterwards, "I was lucky to have pulled that off!". I care about feats, not statements. For example:

A LESS powerful Terrax completely fused and incapaciated Doom's armor in one shot.

A FULL POWERED Terrax was beaten fair and square in combat by Iron Man, and Iron Man took multiple shots from Terrax.

Doom admitted that he needed trickery to lure Surfer into the room and he had to take care not to agitate the Surfer for his own safety.

Iron Man beat Surfer...TWICE.

THAT is what we call a basis for comparison. Saying that Thanos' blast would shatter IM into a million pieces is pure speculation.

Let's examine a contradiction of yours for a second...

It's only a feat if you stood up to the same attack everybody else fell to.

Did Thanos not stand up to the same attack as Terrax, Morg, SS, Gladiator, BRB, Jack, and that girl (can't remember her name) when he fought Tyrant? Yes. Oh wait...now you're saying you're not impressed cause it was 'expected' of him cause he powered himself up...

I'm not impressed because I expect Thanos to have the power to do that, especially with the orb. Ditto with him beating up Surfer...it's something I'd expect.

well was it 'expected' of Doom to survive a blast from the IG? Did he power himself up? No. Did he face the same Thanos that everyone else faced, in terms of power and tenacity? Yes.

You're misunderstanding me. I said Thanos can fill a book with battle victories. There's no need to throw in survival feats the way people do with Doom. Doom didn't survive the same attack that killed everybody else. He survived an energy blast that was unused on anybody else. And given how Terrax manhandled Doom, I don't believe for a second that it was a full-powered blast from Thanos. Let's put Doom in the path of the same Thanos fist that destroyed Cap's shield and see if he survives. If he does...then it's a feat.

So while it may be an impressive feat,

So you acknowledge that the feat was impressive, right?

I acknowledged that he MAY be an impressive feat.

we don't know just how impressive it is because Thanos didn't energy blast anybody else. Maybe Iron Man could have survived the same blast? Hell, maybe Cap with his shield could have. We really have no basis for comparison, so it's not as impressive as you Doom fanboys make it out to be.

And I qualified it here by saying we don't know HOW impressive, because Thanos didn't use that attack against anybody else. It's entirely possible that Thanos intentionally let Doom and others survive, given how he taunted Doom later instead of simply killing him.

Whenever Thanos attacked someone, he meant it...and it was probably at least tenfold from what he was capable of without the IG...and it's rather ridiculous to think that he let up when blasting Doom.

Not really...he bitchslapped Doom away with a power blast. I think a lot of characters could have survived that attack, given how Doom's armor was defeated by the likes of Terrax, Thing and Luke Cage.

Put yourself in that position...you're fighting a legion of heroes, you get nailed by Mjolnir and drop to the ground...the Gauntlet is vulnerable...someone comes to grab it, is your first instinct not to blow that motherf*cker away as far as possible?

Sure, but my fastest attack isn't going to be my most committed or powerful. If someone jumps on me, my first instinct is to turn and get them away from me as quickly as possible. Then deal with them when I identify them.

As for bakerboy and his illinformed half-truths...your opinions don't count around here anymore, cause you were considered null and void quite some time ago. You are an exceedingly simple individual to figure out. You have decided to take up a position on this debate, just to be on a side, any side, and yet you lack even the simplest faculties to be a useful part of it. Your logic is deficient, at best. Continue waving the flag, though...it's amusing. You and Mider should hook up with stormfront and create your own little clique...we'll call you the Axis of Idiocy, cause it suits your personas to a tee.

Guess I was away for a long while...where'd all this animosity with him come from?

I know I've missed a few things, but last I checked, I thought this thread was about whether or not Punisher stood a chance against Doom, not any of the other jibber-jabber that's been brought up. Maybe it's just me though.😐

its you.....no wait u r a mod * goes to armored form * and jumps to a different thread....

Originally posted by demigawd
[B]That's right, blame me. I just said Doom is overrated and did things other people have done, which is on-topic. Beyonder blew up one little example I used and made it the focus of the rest of the discussion. Wasn't MY fault.

"Doom is overrated blah blah blah"

If there's war, there's "another armored cat you should run to first."

Nah, course you didn't go off topic...😂 What you said was a page before I posted. Don't blame me. Your the Magneto fanboy going off topic.

I'm not impressed because I expect Thanos to have the power to do that, especially with the orb. Ditto with him beating up Surfer...it's something I'd expect.

Something you expected and therefore your not impressed? Then what level would you rank Thanos if you didn't use examples of his fights with Thor, Surfer, Tyrant, Odin, etc. as feats?

How the hell do you even know what to expect of the character without looking at their fights?

Not impressive because you expected it? I guess we should throw out Thanos's fights with Odin, Tyrant, Beyonder, Walker, and Galactus as unimpressive because you expected his powers to be around this level right? And this expectation is based on...

Look Dr Doom is in a another class. Take Spiderman, Wolverine, Punisher and daredevil (with both sides having prep time) - Dr Doom would stomp the holy mess out of them - Do not make thread comparing Dr Doom to infadels.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Doom is one badass mother****er. He beat a full grown lion, while he was naked, and was still pretty disoriented.

I'm sure this already came up, but I didn't feel like reading all 8 pages of this mess.

Didn't the Punisher kill a full grown BEAR with his bare hands, however? The defeat of vicious, ferocious animals doesn't really say too much honestly. And if you think it does well... A Bear is larger, stronger, and just plain better than a Lion.

I can only recall Frank punching a polar bear in the face and then running away, getting it all riled up so that it'd eat the gangsters chasing him. Then he threw the mob boss wench in with it and watched it maul her.

I love Frank.

First of all, to my dear friend lord s, guy, relax, we are only talking about comic characters, you neednt to insult anybody. The personal offenses are out of place here. If you cant post your arguments without insults, you are just acting childish.

Lets go with the anwsers:

Cap could have stood the blast? Have you read the IG, Baker? His shield got shattered by Thanos' fists. Let alone the gauntlet.

Yeah, i read it but a long time ago, about 10 years or more. So, excuses if i cant remember some of the things that happened in tha comic. But surely that he shattered cap's shield first because he knowed that it was one of the most powerful weapons there, he concentrate in it before because he knows that it could stand his regular blasts, like doom recieved.

iron-Man? Hahaaaahahaha. Good one. I'm sure he would have if Terraxia hadn't beheaded hi....oh wait.

Yeah, iron man could stand that blast because his armor is mor powerful than dooms and could stand what doom could and more. And about terraxia, she could had behead doom too, so what?. Iron man did beat thanos, terrax, silver surfer, hulk, thor, etc. and the first three in a power vs power fight, not any trick like dooms used against surfer. Could you say the same about doom? Id say not. And what is more, doom armor has been damaged by the likes or luke cage, the thing or the beast.

What's the etc? Name these additional people. Coz half of the ones you just named couldn't take the blast.

Beasides cap with his shield, hulk, thor and iron man, and if i remember well the people who was there, lets see who are the etc: Vision, thing, invisible woman. And that is for the people who i think that i can remember well, but surely im forgetting more people. Maybe some of those people wasnt there, because as i have said , i read that comic 10 years ago or more.

Don't understand why everyone felches the debaters on here. You need to go 80 miles off topic to get anywhere.

If you dont understand it, dont go with the same argument. Stop on talk about it.

In the etc group you could include scarlet witch, drax, warlock, silver surfer, namor, she hulk, doctor strange, quasar. And for not talk about cosmic people like galactus and others.

Originally posted by bakerboy
First of all, to my dear friend lord s, guy, relax, we are only talking about comic characters, you neednt to insult anybody. The personal offenses are out of place here. If you cant post your arguments without insults, you are just acting childish.

BTW, pointing out your idiocy is not insulting...it's being truthful.

Oh, yeah. To post an opinion is trolling. Very interesting. And please, dont be childish and stop with the insults , ok?

Originally posted by demigawd
It's not bullshit, Doom went to grab the gauntlet, and Thanos quickly blasted him away. So it happened, but it's not nearly as impressive as it was made out to be by the fanboys. It was an instinctive, quick shot designed to prevent the gauntlet from being taken. It wasn't committed at all.

Originally posted by Lord S
Whenever Thanos attacked someone, he meant it...and it was probably at least tenfold from what he was capable of without the IG...and it's rather ridiculous to think that he let up when blasting Doom.

It was just a tiny blast, and Thanos was playing with the heroes, he was having a good time - he was laughing and smiling all of the time.

Just a tiny blast. Live with it. His more powerful blasts destroyed planets.

(Extremely off-topic lol)

Originally posted by bakerboy
Oh, yeah. To post an opinion is trolling. Very interesting. And please, dont be childish and stop with the insults , ok?

You can stop crying like a six-year-old girl about the 'insults', too...it's getting childish. rolleyes1

As for your 'answers'...

Yeah, i read it but a long time ago, about 10 years or more. So, excuses if i cant remember some of the things that happened in tha comic. But surely that he shattered cap's shield first because he knowed that it was one of the most powerful weapons there, he concentrate in it before because he knows that it could stand his regular blasts, like doom recieved.

WTF are you talking about? Try re-reading it instead of making up facts. Cap was the last one to fight Thanos...and I didn't see the Titan concentrate on anything, just gave the shield a casual whack, and it shattered. You think that was a 'regular' blast he gave Doom? I have the urge to scan a pic of the shot Doom took, and you can judge for yourself how regular it was.

Yeah, iron man could stand that blast because his armor is mor powerful than dooms and could stand what doom could and more.

Where is your proof of this? Especially considering IM himself acknowledged the superiority of Doom's armour.

nd about terraxia, she could had behead doom too, so what?.

Where's your proof of this?

ron man did beat thanos, terrax, silver surfer, hulk, thor, etc. and the first three in a power vs power fight, not any trick like dooms used against surfer. Could you say the same about doom?

Who cares? I'm not even arguing about Doom's fighting prowess versus Iron Man's, I'm only talking about the durability of his armour. Which stood up to a blast from Thanos that would probably have fried Iron Man's.

Beasides cap with his shield, hulk, thor and iron man, and if i remember well the people who was there, lets see who are the etc: Vision, thing, invisible woman.

Cap with his shield can't, Iron Man is questionable, Hulk and Thor are most likely not going down. Thing and the Invisible Woman were not even a part of it.

Maybe some of those people wasnt there, because as i have said , i read that comic 10 years ago or more.

How convenient. rolleyes1

Everything you've tried to say, every point you've tried to make is based not on fact, but on unintellectual bias. There are a legion of people here with whom I disagree about a number of issues, but I can respect them because they at least provide a coherent argument that allows them to ground their beliefs in some basis of rationality.

Originally posted by who-kid
Are you saying that Thanos couldn't kill Doom ?

He destroyed planets with his blast, but suddenly Dooms armor is even stronger than adamantium or a whole planet ?

I'm not saying that, you're saying that.

It was just a tiny blast, and Thanos was playing with the heroes, he was having a good time - he was laughing and smiling all of the time.

Just a tiny blast. Live with it. His more powerful blasts destroyed planets.

Tiny blast, my ass. All I'm saying is that it was a blast with authority, and that it was impressive that Doom's armour was able to stand up to it. Of course it was nowhere near the power he exerted when facing the Celestials...what are you smoking?

As for demi's comments...I'm not going to spend a lot of time dwelling on it...our difference in opinion is based on how we interpret the events...you can't prove that Iron Man can endure the same blast Doom took, just as I can't prove that he can't...but the fact that IM himself admitted that Doom's armour was superior, is somthing that cannot be ignored.

We'll just agree to respectfully disagree.

Originally posted by who?-kid
You're wrong. Even though Punisher is just a man with some heavy weaponry (so is Doom by the way), Punisher definitely has made a name in the Marvel Universe. I see no reason why Doom wouldn't care.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Fanboy Wolvie = can regenerate from a single molecule of DNA unaided in a matter of minutes

Lord S, bakerboy, I could give a damn if y'all go at it all day and night, just don't waste thread space in this forum with it. First warning, for both of you.

And another wonderful point made by Swank, you make things so much easier to explain here.😉

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I'm sure the world's hotdog eating champ has made a name for himself too but I doubt Doom would care about him.

A molecule of dna?

Yep I doubt Doom cares about Punisher and yes DNA can be referred to in terms of single molecules. 😛

Warnings...consider me duly intimidated. 😆

Tron, what the hell are you talking about? What the hell im doing? Im only posting my opinon and my points of view with education, mehanwhile that guy is only posting insults and personal offenses. I didnt play his game and i wont, so , why are you warning me? Its ridiculous.

Im only here to discuss the battles, not for play child games like that other guy. Lets go with the awnsers:

Yes, if your so-called opinion does nothing to move the discussion forward, then yes, it is trolling, and childish. You gallivanting around calling Doom overrated in every Doom thread, without anything of any substance to back it up, amounts to trolling.

You can stop crying like a six-year-old girl about the 'insults', too...it's getting childish.
Trolling is what you are doing, posting a lot of insults and personal offenses without sense in a forum to talk and discuss about battles between comic characters. This isnt the place for that, so , you are the one who is trolling. And i post that doom is overrated in his topics because I THINK IT. that my opinion. Maybe wrong? ok, but its my opinion. And its based in his battles in the comics. And what are your solid arguments from? because i didnt see any solid argument or based in true facts from your part.
WTF are you talking about? Try re-reading it instead of making up facts. Cap was the last one to fight Thanos...and I didn't see the Titan concentrate on anything, just gave the shield a casual whack, and it shattered. You think that was a 'regular' blast he gave Doom? I have the urge to scan a pic of the shot Doom took, and you can judge for yourself how regular it was.

Ok, as i have posted, i didnt remember well some of the people who was there and, off course, less the order of the battle. But it isnt important. What is important is that Thanos used more power to blast cap's shield,because its ovious, what is more durable? the aleanation of adamantium and vibranium of cap's shield or doom armor. Its pretty ovious that the shield. So, its ovious to think that thanos used more power to destroy the shield, if he would used the same power with doom than with the shield, doom would be totally destroyed.

Where is your proof of this? Especially considering IM himself acknowledged the superiority of Doom's armour.

Its curious than doom fanboys always bring that thing and always forget that doom himself said in the fantastic four series than iron man's weapons were more powerful than his blasters and weapons.

Where's your proof of this?

Do you want more proof that if iron man did beat people that doom never didnt? Ovioulsy, iron man is far a better fighter than doom if terraxia did beat iron man, she could beat a less powerful fighter as doom is.

Who cares? I'm not even arguing about Doom's fighting prowess versus Iron Man's, I'm only talking about the durability of his armour. Which stood up to a blast from Thanos that would probably have fried Iron Man's.

Man, read what i posted, you have the awnser there. If iron man armor stood terrax's blasters and doom armor didnt, for put an example, what amor is better? Iron man's , ovioulsy. and if doom armor stood that blaster, iron man could.

Cap with his shield can't, Iron Man is questionable, Hulk and Thor are most likely not going down. Thing and the Invisible Woman were not even a part of it.

Cap shield could with the blaster than doom recieved, iron man could, thor and hulk could, and what about the other people than i posted? doc strange, surfer, drax, etc?

Everything you've tried to say, every point you've tried to make is based not on fact, but on unintellectual bias. There are a legion of people here with whom I disagree about a number of issues, but I can respect them because they at least provide a coherent argument that allows them to ground their beliefs in some basis of rationality.

Dude, the same from your part. All what you posted isnt based in any true fact or with coherent or rational arguments, only in your guess and supositions. nothing solid or true. Mixed with tons of bad education and childish insults. And that is respectable? You must be joking.

And i repeat once again, yeah, iron man said that doom armor is superior. But doom said too that iron man armor and weapons were far superior , so, who has the reason? Its only the opinion by the writter who wrote that, i think.