Thor vs. Hulk

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I can see that if there were a Thor comic and he bats Hulk in the nuts a few times and brings him down in a few pages and flies off, you might be more inclined to accept that.

Hulk no like Thor fans who pretend to be Hulk fans!!!11 durhulk Hulk has always been a team buster. He's fought against Avengers teams single-handedly probably more than any other supervillain. I'd think it's over a dozen times now. That's just the Avengers.

And when you account for him fighting the FF, the X-Men, the Wrecking Crew nvm, they suck, the U-Foes and other teams singlehandedly, he's probably the top teambuster in all of comics.

I was surprised how many people thought World War Hulk was a job-fest. Hulk's been soloing groups of superheroes consistently for years.

And this is the reason why I fail to realize why people put doomsday over hulk when all in all they both have similar feats.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Not a dream sequence, really.

He didn't so much use his strength to get past Odin's enchantment. He just bypassed it by holding Thor's hand which was holding Mjolnir and forcing Thor to hit himself. Unless that's exactly what you meant.

I was being mostly sarcastic about the Odin comment, but in the last panel with him hitting Thor, it does look as if he's holding it himself.

Basically, Thor is an embarrassment whenever he fights Hulk.

He's no Superman for Marvel (barely even Marvel's Wonder Woman), no matter how much I want him to be.

Marvel just doesn't care about him.

^ Agree to disagree.

Originally posted by carver9
Its kind of different. Thor and hulk has been punched and hit by some of the most powerful objects/beings in the universe but when mjlonir hits them once they get all busted up. For some strange reason I think thor holds back TREMENDOUSLY when striking opponents with his hammer because if it could do that to him and hulk with just one hit... it should out right stomp 90% of the beings that thor has fought.

Thor's sorta taken advantage of this too. Particularly when he absorbs and redirects an energy attack back at an opponent.

Originally posted by carver9
And this is the reason why I fail to realize why people put doomsday over hulk when all in all they both have similar feats.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I can see that if there were a Thor comic and he bats Hulk in the nuts a few times and brings him down in a few pages and flies off, you might be more inclined to accept that.

Hulk no like Thor fans who pretend to be Hulk fans!!!11 durhulk Hulk has always been a team buster. He's fought against Avengers teams single-handedly probably more than any other supervillain. I'd think it's over a dozen times now. That's just the Avengers.

And when you account for him fighting the FF, the X-Men, the Wrecking Crew nvm, they suck, the U-Foes and other teams singlehandedly, he's probably the top teambuster in all of comics.

I was surprised how many people thought World War Hulk was a job-fest. Hulk's been soloing groups of superheroes consistently for years.

I had no problem with hulk beating all the guys he beat.
BB was just a skrull after all.

I have a problem with the strange/zom fight though. It was jobtastic

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I was being mostly sarcastic about the Odin comment, but in the last panel with him hitting Thor, it does look as if he's holding it himself.

Basically, Thor is an embarrassment whenever he fights Hulk.

He's no Superman for Marvel (barely even Marvel's Wonder Woman), no matter how much I want him to be.

Marvel just doesn't care about him.

I don't get what is making you say this. Is it because he was over powered by one of the most strongest beings in comic history? Supes and wondy has been through far worse than what thor went through in his fight against hulk.

That scene just shows you how powerful the hulk is. Hulk also slapped around genis AND gladiator but we still consider them top tier beings.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
I have a problem with the strange/zom fight though. It was jobtastic

EDIT: And Ghost Rider

I don't get what is making you say this. Is it because he was over powered by one of the most strongest beings in comic history? Supes and wondy has been through far worse than what thor went through in his fight against hulk. That scene just shows you how powerful the hulk is. Hulk also slapped around genis AND gladiator but we still consider them top tier beings.

I'm talking purely about hierarchy in their respective companies. (Although I do hold Supes in higher regard over Earth bound Herald levelers in like Hulk and Thor.)

I honestly feel the concept of Mjolnir is what holds Thor back most of the time. To be honest, its just lame. I feel people have a harder time respecting a power house who is commonly seen wielding a weapon, (and then even when wielding it, is often ineffective against powerful foes.) People just have more respect for pure h2h power houses.

I know the significance of Mjolnir to the mythos of Thor and Norse myth in general, but I feel it should be far more of a last resort trump card, with Thor using his powers more with his hands than always channeling it through the hammer when he doesn't even need to.

Make the hammer apparate out of thin air when absolutely needed, make him competently powerful without it on a consistent basis. Please. Don't make the hammer seem like a constant crutch.

And Genis at his best is way above Hulk. Way above. He's had a wide range of powerlevels throughout his career.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I'm talking purely about hierarchy in their respective companies. (Although I do hold Supes in higher regard over Earth bound Herald levelers in like Hulk and Thor.)

I honestly feel the concept of Mjolnir is what holds Thor back most of the time. To be honest, its just lame. I feel people have a harder time respecting a power house who is commonly seen wielding a weapon, (and then even when wielding it, is often ineffective against powerful foes.) People just have more respect for pure h2h power houses.

I know the significance of Mjolnir to the mythos of Thor and Norse myth in general, but I feel it should be far more of a last resort trump card, with Thor using his powers more with his hands than always channeling it through the hammer when he doesn't even need to.

Make the hammer apparate out of thin air when absolutely needed, make him competently powerful without it on a consistent basis. Please. Don't make the hammer seem like a constant crutch.

And Genis at his best is way above Hulk. Way above. He's had a wide range of powerlevels throughout his career.

Gotcha and I agree with this to some extent (and I think thor and hulk is over supes). That would be nice seeing thor fighting without his hammer.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I can see that if there were a Thor comic and he bats Hulk in the nuts a few times and brings him down in a few pages and flies off, you might be more inclined to accept that.

Hulk no like Thor fans who pretend to be Hulk fans!!!11 durhulk Hulk has always been a team buster. He's fought against Avengers teams single-handedly probably more than any other supervillain. I'd think it's over a dozen times now. That's just the Avengers.

And when you account for him fighting the FF, the X-Men, the Wrecking Crew nvm, they suck, the U-Foes and other teams singlehandedly, he's probably the top teambuster in all of comics.

I was surprised how many people thought World War Hulk was a job-fest. Hulk's been soloing groups of superheroes consistently for years.

You're the pretender...PRETENDER BOY!!!!11 durhulk

😛

As for WWH, I've cited several examples for people who think it's a PIS fest. How many times in the dialogue did Reed, Stark, etc. say that WWH was the most powerful Hulk by far? Not to mention the meditation techniques he learned en route to Earth which harness and focus his powers.

Originally posted by Badabing
ohno

You're the pretender...PRETENDER BOY!!!!11 durhulk

😛

As for WWH, I've cited several examples for people who think it's a PIS fest. How many times in the dialogue did Reed, Stark, etc. say that WWH was the most powerful Hulk by far? Not to mention the meditation techniques he learned en route to Earth which harness and focus his powers.

Exactly... that was the main thing that he learned on the planet sakaar.

Current hulk wins.

Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha and I agree with this to some extent (and I think thor and hulk is over supes). That would be nice seeing thor fighting without his hammer.

I tend to like more under the radar characters compared to the main guys. Thor is that compared to Hulk.

Even though I really really really really dislike Mjolnir, I still love the Thor character enough to ignore it.

But characters who aren't the absolute poster boys tend to be harder to support as editorial does not respect them as much. Hence Thor never looking great against Hulk although by his powerset I feel he should be able to beat him without too much trouble most of the time.

My favorite herald leveler is probably Captain Marvel. Why? Because he's under the radar compared to Superman, but unlike most characters in that regard to whatever fictional world you may speak of, Cap seems to have a perpetually locked niche in editorial. He has their respect. And seeing Cap bloody Superman's nose or reading Superman internally thinking that Cap has an 'edge' if they stand toe to toe are things that no one really blinks an eye at due to his protected position.

Thor is just not like that in relation to Hulk. And he probably never will be. And even after Thor's movie comes out, Thor will probably go through an even bigger slump in comics. I mean, hey, how much respect was Iron Man getting in comics even after his movie came out? Little. Very little.

Witch hulk is it ?.. im a hulk and thor fan, its hard but i still give majority to thor. imo he is the better one, no matter how that fight in mods post ended 😄

Current vs Current I assume.

Thor loses. No matter how many people with higher power levels than himself or Hulk that he can beat, he can't beat Hulk himself. Not for a majority.

Since Pak seems to respect Herc, maybe he could split with Hulk on a day to day level.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I can see that if there were a Thor comic and he bats Hulk in the nuts a few times and brings him down in a few pages and flies off, you might be more inclined to accept that.

Hulk no like Thor fans who pretend to be Hulk fans!!!11 durhulk Hulk has always been a team buster. He's fought against Avengers teams single-handedly probably more than any other supervillain. I'd think it's over a dozen times now. That's just the Avengers.

And when you account for him fighting the FF, the X-Men, the Wrecking Crew nvm, they suck, the U-Foes and other teams singlehandedly, he's probably the top teambuster in all of comics.

I was surprised how many people thought World War Hulk was a job-fest. Hulk's been soloing groups of superheroes consistently for years.

wwh was just him beating them again...this time in the same arc

When Thor layed into Rulk, and I mean hit him full force in the face with Mjolnir it did nothing. Well Hulk beat a fully powered Rulk. What does this mean about Thor hitting the Hulk with the same amount of force?

Why hasn't Rage stopped by yet?

Has he given up on Odinson? 🙁

Originally posted by Stoic
When Thor layed into Rulk, and I mean hit him full force in the face with Mjolnir it did nothing. Well Hulk beat a fully powered Rulk. What does this mean about Thor hitting the Hulk with the same amount of force?

You must forgot about their second encounter when those hammer shots almost took rulk out of the fight... he even admitted this.

Pretty sure Rulk had just drained some of Hulk's energy before that fight took place too. Making him even stronger when fighting Thor for round 1.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Pretty sure Rulk had just drained some of Hulk's energy before that fight took place too. Making him even stronger when fighting Thor for round 1.