Originally posted by UniOmni
He had the power gem man. Anybody with the powergem is untouchable physically, and can take about anyone else out, cuz their power is amplified by infinity. Thats not regular WM. Thats wm with a source of infinite power backing him. Hardly standard.
So if he looks at the scans he'll know that. I don't have to go point out every single aspect of the battle.
Originally posted by UniOmni
The scenes of WM you posted Souja, also had Thor with the PG. Anybody with the PG is physically untouchable. That wasn't his own power. Stop trying to be slick man.
Well, I got back, and spent a few minutes reading those (gotta love Cable Net 😄 ) and I have to ask one thing: Was the valkerye a hallucination or what?
And Thor had one punch in on him from Drax, then gave him the "Gohan vs Cell" treatment and made him puke it up. QUick for Drax, near the end of the Battle for the rest.
And as Warlock admitted at the end of the Surfer/Warlock fight they were still holding back so as to "Help him" so it's indeed a nice feat, but shows that while he was taking it seriously and not holding back they were.
And even after THor hit surfer into the planet it showed a hand, the n Warlock comes out of nowhere, and barely into the beginning of that spat Surfers back up so he wasn't KO's, just knocked down.
SO yes, WM THor does use his attacks, at least Lightning. I'm not sure if that was a Godblast against Bill though or not, since I was under the impression that it weakened him for a little while, and repeated use/1 Uberblast can shatter Mjolnir (Even amplified by his Belt of Strength).
Originally posted by UniOmni
That didn't make sense, that Thanos was infact able to survive someone with the pg. Truely it didn't.
Silver Surfer unloaded on the guy to no effect, Galactus was annoyed with him and blasted him in an attempt to destroy him, which injured him but didn't kill him, and got back up after a Pretty Good Odin blast.
Thanos is a BEAST.
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Thor knocked the power jem out of drax's gut about three quarters of the way down didnt he? I remember from the comics he didnt have it the whole fight.
Thor had already manhandled the surfer and warlock together and Drax and Maxam (successfully went toe to toe with Hercules) together before he smashed the power gem out of Drax's body.
What we see later is just how poweful Thanos is that he was able to match Thor after Thor got the power gem. Of course Thor's power was still growing when he was "frozen."
Odin did far worse to Thanos than Thor. If not for his immortality Thanos would almost surely be dead.
As for warlock and surfer, neither were holding back, they were fighting for survival. And yes, surfer was ko'd twice. The second time he woke up he was surprised to still be alive. Even Sif knew that the surfer would not survive long without help. As it turned out having help made no difference. With his help as distraction the surfer attacked Thor from behind and had no effect except to piss him off more and draw his attention. Thor also had absolutely no trouble with Warlock's karmic blast which comes from his soul gem, his most potent attack. All this happened while Thor was without the power gem. After receiving the power gem, even with a boost from Dr. Strange, Warlock was unable to take down Thor using his gem.
Thor's attack on Beta Ray Bill wasn't the god-blast but a standard attack, probably what thor refers to as anti-force. I doubt it would have taken out BRB under normal circumstances but BRB was in a weakened state having been beaten up earlier.
Originally posted by aliveinboston
Thor had already manhandled the surfer and warlock together and Drax and Maxam (successfully went toe to toe with Hercules) together before he smashed the power gem out of Drax's body.What we see later is just how poweful Thanos is that he was able to match Thor after Thor got the power gem. Of course Thor's power was still growing when he was "frozen."
Odin did far worse to Thanos than Thor. If not for his immortality Thanos would almost surely be dead.
As for warlock and surfer, neither were holding back, they were fighting for survival. And yes, surfer was ko'd twice. The second time he woke up he was surprised to still be alive.
Originally posted by aliveinboston
Thor had already manhandled the surfer and warlock together and Drax and Maxam (successfully went toe to toe with Hercules) together before he smashed the power gem out of Drax's body.What we see later is just how poweful Thanos is that he was able to match Thor after Thor got the power gem. Of course Thor's power was still growing when he was "frozen."
Odin did far worse to Thanos than Thor. If not for his immortality Thanos would almost surely be dead.
As for warlock and surfer, neither were holding back, they were fighting for survival. And yes, surfer was ko'd twice. The second time he woke up he was surprised to still be alive. Even Sif knew that the surfer would not survive long without help. As it turned out having help made no difference. With his help as distraction the surfer attacked Thor from behind and had no effect except to piss him off more and draw his attention. Thor also had absolutely no trouble with Warlock's karmic blast which comes from his soul gem, his most potent attack. All this happened while Thor was without the power gem. After receiving the power gem, even with a boost from Dr. Strange, Warlock was unable to take down Thor using his gem.
Thor's attack on Beta Ray Bill wasn't the god-blast but a standard attack, probably what thor refers to as anti-force. I doubt it would have taken out BRB under normal circumstances but BRB was in a weakened state having been beaten up earlier.
Warlocks most powerful attack is draining your soul, and he didn't want to do that because they both wanted to keep Thor alive. If Surfer had fought smart (As is said for Thor Often) he could have found a way to take him out. The Surfer should be scads faster than Thor thanks to the power cosmic, whereas Thor has to use his hammer to get anywhere near his top speeds, so teh second Thor threw it away he could have blitzed him FTL while the Hammer swings at the speed of light, or was it spins? Eh, one of the 2.
Still, Warlock at teh least was holding back. And didn't Surfer/Bill knock him out too? They could ahve easily finished the job there but didn't. Again, holding back and not fighting smart.
Originally posted by Dalak
Warlocks most powerful attack is draining your soul, and he didn't want to do that because they both wanted to keep Thor alive. If Surfer had fought smart (As is said for Thor Often) he could have found a way to take him out. The Surfer should be scads faster than Thor thanks to the power cosmic, whereas Thor has to use his hammer to get anywhere near his top speeds, so teh second Thor threw it away he could have blitzed him FTL while the Hammer swings at the speed of light, or was it spins? Eh, one of the 2.Still, Warlock at teh least was holding back. And didn't Surfer/Bill knock him out too? They could ahve easily finished the job there but didn't. Again, holding back and not fighting smart.
Warlock's attack using the Soul Gem had no effect on Thor's soul whatsoever, therefore even if he wanted to he could not have drained it. The asgardian soul is beyond the power of the Soul Gem (atleast in the hands of Warlock) to affect.
Surfer is certainly not as fast as Thor in combat although he may be faster than Thor in flying in a straight line. In combat, we can see that Thor is repeatedly able to strike surfer and warlock before they are able to strike him. The only one who was able to take him down was BRB who despite his injuries was skillful enough to evade Thor's lunges. Unfortunately the same cannot be said for the others.
Originally posted by bigbran
the only damage odin did was when thanos overpowered gungir, then they tusseled and thanos got shot back.
Thanos did not overpower Gungir, he showed his toughness to resist damage. He certainly did not come close to overpowering Odin physically. It was not a tussle by any means. He made a grab for Gungir having bravely, and almost certainly, painfully, fought his way through the blast but when he got his hands on the spear Odin kicked it up a notch and fried him to a crisp. Having turned Thanos into a smoking pile of flesh and bone, Odin mercifully gave him a chance to surrender. Thanos, being the sadomasochistic type, after using his control of his own molecules to fix himself, refused. Odin was about to kick it up another notch and put an even bigger hurting on Thanos before the storyline kicked in and prevented us from witnessing even more brutalizing of Thanos by Odin.
Originally posted by aliveinboston
Warlock's attack using the Soul Gem had no effect on Thor's soul whatsoever, therefore even if he wanted to he could not have drained it. The asgardian soul is beyond the power of the Soul Gem (atleast in the hands of Warlock) to affect.Surfer is certainly not as fast as Thor in combat although he may be faster than Thor in flying in a straight line. In combat, we can see that Thor is repeatedly able to strike surfer and warlock before they are able to strike him. The only one who was able to take him down was BRB who despite his injuries was skillful enough to evade Thor's lunges. Unfortunately the same cannot be said for the others.
Just because the Karmic Blast had no effect doesn't mean that he can't drain his soul, those are 2 entirely different powers of the Gem (Like the difference between a defibulator and a lightning bolt). Warlock could have taken Thanos' soul if he wanted that evil within him, but he didn't. Are you going to say that Thor is more hardy than Thanos?
And I meant that Surfer wouldn't stand toe2toe with thor and blitz him, but pull a JLU flash and zip around hitting him before he can react and be off again.
Originally posted by Dalak
Just because the Karmic Blast had no effect doesn't mean that he can't drain his soul, those are 2 entirely different powers of the Gem (Like the difference between a defibulator and a lightning bolt). Warlock could have taken Thanos' soul if he wanted that evil within him, but he didn't. Are you going to say that Thor is more hardy than Thanos?
I like the analogy but unfortunately it doesnt apply here. The question is not of physical toughness where Thanos is certainly superior to Thor. You cannot steal what you cannot grasp and the Soul Gem had no hold on the Asgardian soul, atleast not when the Soul Gem is used by Warlock. Perhaps in the future a more worthy user will be able to but we cannot know until it happens.
And I meant that Surfer wouldn't stand toe2toe with thor and blitz him, but pull a JLU flash and zip around hitting him before he can react and be off again.
Apart from the fact that such a "speedblitz" would not be possible against someone who has faster reflexes, the quicker someone moves the less force he would be able to apply in each punch. Next time you're in the gym, see if you can do more damage to the punching bag when youre standing in one place and properly situated or if your running around it with your legs moving under you.
Something else to keep in mind: Power=Work/Time
Since all characters have a fixed amount of power, for a given amount of time all characters can only do a certain amount of work. If they are doing a lot of work running around as fast as they can then they will not be able to put much energy into the actual strikes.
Originally posted by aliveinboston
I like the analogy but unfortunately it doesnt apply here. The question is not of physical toughness where Thanos is certainly superior to Thor. You cannot steal what you cannot grasp and the Soul Gem had no hold on the Asgardian soul, atleast not when the Soul Gem is used by Warlock. Perhaps in the future a more worthy user will be able to but we cannot know until it happens.
Apart from the fact that such a "speedblitz" would not be possible against someone who has faster reflexes, the quicker someone moves the less force he would be able to apply in each punch. Next time you're in the gym, see if you can do more damage to the punching bag when youre standing in one place and properly situated or if your running around it with your legs moving under you.
Something else to keep in mind: Power=Work/Time
Since all characters have a fixed amount of power, for a given amount of time all characters can only do a certain amount of work. If they are doing a lot of work running around as fast as they can then they will not be able to put much energy into the actual strikes. [/QUOTE]
The Blast was designed to overload his center causing him to black out. Thors soul was more "Hardy" than a Human's and he was able to resist it. That doesn't mean that Warlock can't take the soul into his Soul Gem. The blast still affected him seeing as he rocked back because of it, but it didn't overload him.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/Warlock7.jpg
Taking his soul is something completely different, to use another analogy: the difference between a MRI and Magneto. One doesn't affect those without metal directly in their bodies, the other will find a way to affect your body if he feels like it. And again Warlock admitted he was trying to Help Thor and was holding back in the last scan of that second set.
Secondly, with the Power Cosmic the Surfer can ramp up his strength and speed as he sees fit, and Force is what we're looking for here, not Work. He doesn't need to move his legs seeing as he's on the Board, which is an extention of his body controlled by Will. He even admitted in that fight that off of it he's much slower than he could be.
Thor even threw his hammer in that fight after Surfer was on his board, and he could have popped into FTL and wailed on Thor before it came back. Surfer wasn't fighting up to par.
It still is a great display of Thor's power since he was able to beat them, but it would not be as conclusive in an Arena fight when both combatants have Bloodlust.
