Originally posted by nimbus006
Usually, you display a fair amount of common sense and intelligence.Let's not start making comments like this to disprove that assessment.
http://www.brokenfrontier.com/columns/details.php?id=782
Thor with Odinforce would be on-par with WWH post Sentry fight where he's glowing green. The fact is that people on this forum ridiculously underrate the Hulk in forum battles simply because he doesn't have the "standard DC hero package" which includes Superspeed, flight, tactile telekinesis and / or eyebeams.
The writer himself said that Thor even with the Odinforce and being more powerful than Odin himself would be sorry if he fought the Hulk during the Sentry (most powerful) phase of the WWH saga.
The fact that one of the new Hulks will be punching out a Watcher soon implies that the Hulk's power level is much greater than what forum goers give him credit for. The fact that he has beaten just about every Superman clone Marvel has produced says something. Of course here at KMC it's always "SPEED BLITZ!@ LOL!" or "NO FLIGHT - INSTANT BFR!".
MZ: Since Thor has the Odinforce and is more powerful than his father, is he stronger than the Green Scar?GP: All I can say is that if I were Thor, I wouldn’t have wanted to be in the Sentry’s place during the climactic battle in “World War Hulk” #5.
I think the problem lies in the latest generation of people these days, people want everything fed to them bit by logical bit, which is what DC seems to cater to. People don't want to have to think for themselves to make a jump of logic from what is shown to what the writer is trying to show through actions.
The writer himself said that Thor even with the Odinforce and being more powerful than Odin himself would be sorry if he fought the Hulk during the Sentry (most powerful) phase of the WWH saga."GP: All I can say is that if I were Thor, I wouldn’t have wanted to be in the Sentry’s place during the climactic battle in “World War Hulk” #5." As you can see he chose his words carefully for a reason he never stated Thor would lose so you are speculated way to much.
Another tidbit of note from the writer:
Mohammad Zaki: How strong is Hercules compared to the Hulk in World War Hulk?GP: In “Incredible Hulk” #107, Herc delivered a few monumental blows to the Green Goliath but then pretty much got pounded into the ground. Now it’s possible that Herc heroically let Hulk pummel him to make a point -- that not everyone on Earth was out to fight the Hulk. Which could mean that Hulk and Herc never did fully establish who’s the strongest. But by the end of “World War Hulk,” the Hulk grew so insanely powerful that I’d be hard pressed to imagine even the Lion of Olympus standing up to him for long.
Hercules and Thor had in the past been matched in strength. Hercules is immortal now - his mortal side is long gone. That just goes to show that physically Thor would have gotten his ass handed to him within a minute or two if he was still at his classic levels of power. At his current levels, if he fought WWH post Sentry fight, then yes he would have gotten stomped.
Originally posted by KutuluDon't use writers quotes because recently Countdowns writer said that anybody below Behonder shouldn't challenge him or something.
Another tidbit of note from the writer:Hercules and Thor had in the past been matched in strength. Hercules is immortal now - his mortal side is long gone. That just goes to show that physically Thor would have gotten his ass handed to him within a minute or two if he was still at his classic levels of power. At his current levels, if he fought WWH post Sentry fight, then yes he would have gotten stomped.
Weak argument. 👇
Originally posted by KutuluThat's nice but since this isn't classic Thor it doesn't matter he would punch Hulk into dirt if he had a reason to.
Another tidbit of note from the writer:Hercules and Thor had in the past been matched in strength. Hercules is immortal now - his mortal side is long gone. That just goes to show that physically Thor would have gotten his ass handed to him within a minute or two if he was still at his classic levels of power. At his current levels, if he fought WWH post Sentry fight, then yes he would have gotten stomped.
Originally posted by Alfheim
I dunno man....*sigh.... im too tired...
I hear ya... a lot of times in this forum it's pointless debating with people no matter what you say or show via scans.
People can ask for a scan proving your point, you show the scan, and they go back to saying what they were saying in the first place. Same goes for writer's statements, etc..
The way Hulk is depicted on KMC is that his WWH phase was somehow weaker than his regular Savage Hulk days. How people can come to this conclusion, I have no idea.
In the end of the day, at the end of the WWH saga, Hulk showed himself to be more powerful than anybody else on marvel Earth, growing so powerful that his very existence was a threat to the planet's safety. He had to give himself up before the wiped out Earth. Had someone with a personality less in control than Dr. Banner been in possession of Hulk's powers, Earth would be nothing but a handful of rocks in space right now. The Maestro arc showed that Hulk has what it takes to take out the likes of Silver Surfer, Thor, etc., and even showed Maestro wearing a similar arm-piece that Hulk was wearing during WWH.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Fortunately people like you don't actually write comics. 😆
And unfortunately, people like you happen to do.
You realize that during Ragnarok, Thor grew immensely in strength? Regular Thor without his hammer was able to lay the beat down on Durok the demolisher. Durok has stalemated Thor for hours, and beaten both him and the Surfer at the same time. The Surfer ended up leaving him in the future.
Does Pak read comics, other than the occasional X-men and Huc? Because apparently he seems to be putting Thor and Hercules in the same boot. That's regular Hercules and Thor w/Odinforce. Physically, Thor and Hercules have always been a challenge to the Hulk. 616 Hulk has never even knocked out the 616 Thor.
Needless to say, Hercules and Thor wouldn't be able to physically stop WWH after his fight with the Sentry, but nobody's claiming that either. But even someone like you, must realize that Thor w/mjolnir is able to cause far more damage than Tony's poor satellites....
That depends on the writer doesnt it. For example Brubaker has said that Captain America is superhuman and is above Batman in stats and not only that Caps showings are consistnet with what Brubaker said and Brubaker has written for Batman and Captain America
I could be wrong but I dont see how current Thor is more powerful than Sentry and if hes not we can take the writers words for it, also apparently that writer has written quite a few comics.
Originally posted by KutuluSo you resort to insults? That's nice it also proves that you have no argument Hulk took on Marvel earth but he had help and alternate realities mean nothing when debating about these two. I have read WWH enough to know potential he probably could have destroyed earth did he no? I really don't understand why you people keep saying "Oh he could have if he wanted to" maybe but we will never know 🙁 😉 . Like i have said about a billion times name one time he took on more than 1 top tier at a time? I can name a billion times Surfer has done it some even include Hulky 😮
Fortunately people like you don't actually write comics. 😆