Dr Strange Vs Rachel Summers

Strange wins this handily. You could get away with the whole "Phoenix is TOAA" argument for Jean, GalacticStorm, but if you've been reading Uncanny X-men, Rachel gets owned just about every issue, by people like EMMA FROST, no less. The rap on Rachel is, sure she's a repository for vast power, but she has limited skill in using it, which is why Emma tore her apart in their battle.

House of M seems to disagree with that im afraid and wanda is pathetic in comparison to rachel.

To be fair, Rachel was just as affected by it as Strange. So it seems Wanda is beyond them both.

Good to be back 😉

No one really knows WHY Strange wasn't able to overcome Wanda's powers, and he was shown only one time throught the whole damn thing. Same with Onslaught, where the hell was he?

Strange has said before "Earthly matters...concern me not." basically saying, "If it isn't universal wide destruction, then I've got bigger fish to fry" but still, wtf??

He is Earth's Sorcerer Supreme, and the last two biggest Arcs he was non-existant.

Well, the thing to consider is as good as Strange is, he's still human with human frailities. Sure, he's one of the most powerful characters in the universe, but a random mugger could still run up on him and stab him to death and there's nothing he can do about it. He's just as prone to ambush as anybody else. Magneto/Wanda essentially activated whatever they activated out of nowhere. If Strange can't see it coming, Strange can't stop it. Not his fault.

Originally posted by demigawd
Strange wins this handily. You could get away with the whole "Phoenix is TOAA" argument for Jean, GalacticStorm, but if you've been reading Uncanny X-men, Rachel gets owned just about every issue, by people like EMMA FROST, no less. The rap on Rachel is, sure she's a repository for vast power, but she has limited skill in using it, which is why Emma tore her apart in their battle.

To be fair, Rachel was just as affected by it as Strange. So it seems Wanda is beyond them both.

Good to be back 😉

Well to be fair Demi it was quite obvious from my posts that i was referring to the rachel who can tap into phoenix. It was not that rachel who was defeated by emma. It was standard rachel. Good to have you back Demi

Strange has massive pre-cognition. He -should- have seen this lightyears away. His waterfall in his mansion is at all times, showing the future.
But, they are in the process of de-powering him since spiderman 500, mordo came back and changed DS' past. So that may be something...maybe....
I dunno, I think it's just been done sloppy.

But, suspention of disbelief I guess, so far it's been a pretty damned good Arc.
Cap is old, ironman looks like some anime robot, Hulk is in the australian outback....pretty awesome imo.

😆 wasn't obvious enough.....cuz I thought that's who you were talking about too.....😮

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Well to be fair Demi it was quite obvious from my posts that i was referring to the rachel who can tap into phoenix. It was not that rachel who was defeated by emma. It was standard rachel. Good to have you back Demi

Why refer to that Rachel? For one, that's not her status quo and hasn't been in at least a decade, and two, that makes it uninteresting if Phoenix is supposedly all-powerful. I consider all battles between two characters to be their most recent incarnations, not their most powerful incarnations, unless otherwise specified.

since when can standard rachel generate virtually any energy type in virtually any amount AND manipulate reality and time/space. Come on now children lol

Current Rachel Summers wouldn't stand a chance against Galactus even with what she has of the the Phoenix. She'd go down to Strange too.

If all of the Phoenix pieces go back into the White Hot Room then does Rachel lose all her power enhancement?

Originally posted by demigawd
Why refer to that Rachel? For one, that's not her status quo and hasn't been in at least a decade, and two, that makes it uninteresting if Phoenix is supposedly all-powerful. I consider all battles between two characters to be their most recent incarnations, not their most powerful incarnations, unless otherwise specified.

Rachel is slowly starting to manifest the phoenix again now that her mother is outta the picture. Just giv it a few months.

Before the re-vamp, Strange could stand up to the full Phoenix force, and probably win-stalemate it. But, since it's basically all powerful, then yeah, kinda hard to argue...but I tried 😛

I only know of that one single Rachal, haven't read x-men in for a long time, forgive my ignorance then.

Originally posted by long pig
Before the re-vamp, Strange could stand up to the full Phoenix force, and probably win-stalemate it. But, since it's basically all powerful, then yeah, kinda hard to argue...but I tried 😛

I only know of that one single Rachal, haven't read x-men in for a long time, forgive my ignorance then.

Its cool. Im sure winmx will help sort that out lol 😛

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
since when can standard rachel generate virtually any energy type in virtually any amount AND manipulate reality and time/space. Come on now children lol

She can't, which is why I thought you were crazy for bringing all of that up. But given that you're arguing an outdated version of Rachel, you're still crazy, lol.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Rachel is slowly starting to manifest the phoenix again now that her mother is outta the picture. Just giv it a few months.

When she manifests it again (the way she's getting beat up, it'll be a LONG while), then we'll revisit the thread. But as it stands...she loses to Strange pretty badly.

Demi you test the patience of the GalacticStorm. Your absence has rendered you clueless to the new way of things, therefore i will excuse your conduct this once. You have been warned. 😱

And get a sig you lazy b*stard lol

Oh, so GalacticStorm goes off and takes over the message board after Demigawd goes away, huh? Well, you've just been leasing it all this time...the board is MINE, hahahaha.

Real men don't need sigs. 😉
(I think I'll make that my new sig)

"Real men don't need sigs.
(I think I'll make that my new sig)"

Real men dont make excuses for their inadequacies. Its cool though the way of the GalacticStorm is the way of true enlightenment. You got a lot to learn son. I'll be only to happy to teach you. 😛

You get some props and now you're the Man? Looks like I'm gonna have to fetch me a switch and whup up on this youngin...

...tomorrow. The old man needs his sleep.

😉

Claremont has plans for Rachel. We just have to wait and see what they are, but he's definitely planning something.

And current Rachel is far, far, far from week. She seems to be a little soft in the head, but she's far from week. This is the same chick who rearranged her body subconsciously as well as opened a black hole. And we know that she's somewhat unbalanced right now.

If we're talking classic Rachel v Strange, she takes it. In theory, Phoenix is its own inexhaustible energy source. Since Phoenix can generate ANY form of energy in any conceivable amount, I would assume that means mystical. I've always thought of the power of Phoenix to be a repository of all energy types, or an energy type that supersedes all others. And telepathically, Strange doesn't compare to any Phoenix. It's ultimate power manifested psionically. He has the power of the Eye. Phoenix has the power of every mind that ever existed, including those of the Vishanti.

Because she's all crazy and jive now, Strange might be able to take her. Once she gets her bearings though, I don't think he could.

And this comes from the second biggest Strange fan on this board (all the rest of us are shadows compared to LP).