Beast vs Wolverine

Originally posted by pea55
The SPACESHIP FEAT! http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums...heBeast3-22.jpg Now you're done! LMAO!!!!

Originally posted by -Pr-
it's not when the comics directly contradict what the handbook says.

there are grey areas some of the time, but comics will always be more consistent, and as such take priority.

there's generally no problem using a handbook to back up an existing argument taken from the pages of the comic, but using it as the basis of one's argument isn't really a good idea when there can be so much more evidence to the contrary.

it's our policy to go by the comics above all. handbooks are okay if they're not contradictory in some cases.

Originally posted by pea55
3.Compact cars can range in weight of about 4.5 tons. Lifting something is one thing but in order to throw something you'll have be able to at least lift double the weight. So how is beast throwing a car not a 10 ton feat?
4.I want you to prove how Wolverine is stronger than Beast, you claim that logan has far more impressive strength feats... PROVE IT MR DUM DUM!!!!!

I claimed Logan had more consistent strength feats, and He does, Out side beast car throwing feat he has very few if any feats on par with

wielding a tree like it is a base ball bat
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3121/bd9a6048ps6.jpg

Toss a dumpster several feat with one hand and rather fast (bone claws wolverine)
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/5372/dumpsterii9.jpg

Here is Wolverine breaking out of restraints that beast could not, with out assistance from maverick.
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/2301/restraints2cl0.jpg

Originally posted by -Pr-
Nobody is denying that, but you have maybe one handbook a year. You have at least twelve issues per major character. most of the time there's an average when it comes to comics.

handbooks tend to use old, outdated facts and figures about power levels in plenty of cases.

Stats are good outliers so nothing is too crazy, but you do need frequency (as you said).

Bios are neat as well, especially when a character doesn't have a lot to their merit.

Of course logic, debating ability, and comic knowledge go into it as well.

Just my 2 cents.

Originally posted by pea55
How is the info about Beast contradictory?

i didn't say it was. if you have comic scans (several are usually needed) that show off his strength, then you can use the handbook too.

using the handbook itself isn't enough though.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I like to mix them up because they all have their strengths and weaknesses. People use feat skewing with their favorite characters and will often say more popular ones win simply because of more feats, knowing full well other universes don't have "feats" in that sense.

Stats are good outliers so nothing is too crazy, but you do need frequency (as you said).

Bios are neat as well, especially when a character doesn't have a lot to their merit.

Of course logic, debating ability, and comic knowledge go into it as well.

Just my 2 cents.

feat-skewing in itself is wrong, and bada and i do what we can to minimize it.

as far as the "more feats" thing goes, it's about quality, not quantity. anyone who tries to pull crap like that in front of me or bada tends to get a talking to.

it's like i said, handbooks are fine, as long as it's a secondary source.

http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/6209/beastoneshotgr6.jpg

Originally posted by -Pr-
i didn't say it was. if you have comic scans (several are usually needed) that show off his strength, then you can use the handbook too.

using the handbook itself isn't enough though.

feat-skewing in itself is wrong, and bada and i do what we can to minimize it.

as far as the "more feats" thing goes, it's about quality, not quantity. anyone who tries to pull crap like that in front of me or bada tends to get a talking to.

it's like i said, handbooks are fine, as long as it's a secondary source.

Originally posted by pea55
How about now? http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/BatrocBeast/Beast/TheBeast3-22.jpg

That isn't a spaceship, it's a slab of reinforced concrete with some rebar.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That isn't a spaceship, it's a slab of reinforced concrete with some rebar.

21 pages... Seriously?

So beast still wins via his superior strength, speed, agility and intelligence? Cool

Originally posted by Parmaniac
21 pages... Seriously?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So beast still wins via his superior strength, speed, agility and intelligence? Cool

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/6209/beastoneshotgr6.jpg

This stats argument doesn't even matter. Even if Beast were slightly superior physically, Wolverine's healing, adamantium skeleton, and skills means Beast loses.

He can't put Wolverine down before Wolverine puts him down. It's pretty simple and it applies to the vast majority of melee based streets when Wolverine is involved.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
not to mention I don't even think that 616, becuase in the last pannel you clearly see that hank was crush under the rubble.

It's 616, it's from the Beast 3 issue mini in '97.

Beast would maybe avoid him for a while and maybe land some hits, but sooner (and let's be honest it will be sooner) or later Wolverine gets a clear swipe/stab and mutilate Beast.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's 616, it's from the Beast 3 issue mini in '97.

Beast can't win, Wolverine's healing factor is an insurmountable advantage, and frankly even without his healing factor Logan's skill and attributes alone would be enough to take the majority from Hank. Beast is simply out classed, being twice as strong and more agile doesn't even begin to make up for Wolverine holding every other card, Wolverine would tool Hank in a fight.

Beasts HF is shitty compared to Logans. One good hit slows him down badly or ends the fight.

Beast is probably stronger, not that it matters. Wolverine takes him out with ease.