-They should have included the scene of Anakin laying waste to the Jedi archives...
-Include the entire speech made by Palpatine to the Senate...
-Have Anakin/Windu duel with the Chancellor watching (when Anakin goes to chop of his hand, have him quickly ignite his lightsaber and duel Anakin) After a few minutes of dueling, Anakin then cuts off Windu's hand and Palpatine fries him to death with lightning then force pushes him out the window.
-Somehow Palpatine should present Anakin/Vader with his Sith Lightsaber
-Include the scene from to novelization where Bail Organa speaks to Yoda and Obi-Wan about his dedication to the Jedi and how he would secretly work in the Senate against Palpatine.
I dont agree that they should get rid of Grievous just give him a worthy fight scene and show him kill some Jedi in the clone wars ( Possibly a Prolouge before the movie with scenes of battle ) And in the showdown on Mustafar scene Vader should have said "my old friend" or "I would like to see you try my MASTER" (emphasis on Master)
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I don't think the problem lies within Episode III alone though. Any suggestions that I would make for Episode III would have a knock on effect through the previous two.
Like I'd start the saga with the Clone War and have the same actopr as Anakin all the way through. Forget about Jedi being trained at a young age, and instead have them trained at an older age like Luke to tie it in with the OT. That way you could have a cliffhanger with EPisode II where ANakin turns, and is presumed dead. He crops up in Episode III as mech Vader and fights Mace Windu and lays waste to loads of Jedi. He'd have mystery to him for the new generation and then he kills Padme out of sheer cold blooded murder, indicating he is lost completely. There's no need for Grievous (who I am still convinced was made up for the hell of it).
I'd also have Yoda and Sidious fight, but without the lightsabers. The fight was good in III, but in the end it came down to force powers, the lightsabers were redundant in this fight, and not only does Yoda look dumb wielding one, with force powers-only it would put Sidious and Yoda on a new level, like a battle of the titans. I'd also have Sidious as the only lightning-user to indicate his power above the others. Yoda would have been more impressive if he didn't need a saber, which is the way the OT portrayed him. He was a grand master from the old kung-fu movies, who would never need a weapon to win a fight. It would have been ten times better without the sabers, and something refreshing to see.
This would allow the gap between 3 and 4 to have less of a jarring effect and bring the saga into a continuum of six movies, as opposed to two very different trilogies, which is what has happened.
Still whats done is done. I personally think 1 & 2 were a waste of time and that it should have followed a stricter timeline like the originals, which would have made the impact of III and the lead-in to IV more satisfying. I could go into more detail but cannot be botherred.
1. Give Christopher Lee more screen time. Make it as where Anakin's final test to become Dark Lord is to duel Dooku at the climax of the movie, to see which one is superior. Have him best and kill Dooku, then go wipe out the Confederacy leadership on Mustafar, where he is intercepted by Obi-Wan - where they engage in their climactic duel.
2. Have the Yoda and Palpatine fight be like a Clash of the Titans. They are both obviously the two most powerful beings in the entire movie, so make it look like it. When Palpatine is throwing the pods is the best part of the entire duel. It makes him look powerful. Yoda and Palpatine ought to tear up the entire building.
3. I have a hard time believing that Obi-Wan is so much better than everyone to the point where he can battle General Grievous. Mace Windu battled Grievious when he invaded Coruscant - and he was hard pressed to defeat the cyborg. Obi-Wan's main difficulty when fighting Grievious was CATCHING him - not fighting him. Grievous needs to kick Obi-Wan's pale ass around before dying.
4. Have the four-man Jedi Entourage move to encroach upon Sidious instead of him flipping over the desk. It would make it more believable. If they move closer, Palpatine ignites his blade, swings in a 360 degree patern, and beheads two. Kit Fisto and Mace ought to then spar with him like they did. Then Palpatine should Force push Kit across the room or blast his ass with lightning.
5. The Mace vs Palpatine duel needs to be clearer on whether or not if Sidious was toying with Mace or not. And it should be fairly even. All I saw was Palpatine suddenly losing when Anakin got closer.
Originally posted by Captain REX
This is one of those threads where you complain and whine about how you didn't like something. Well guess what? It'll get you nowhere in life, and will achieve nothing. 😄
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The only thing I would change is that Agen Kolar and Saesee Tiin would not be so quick to die...and maybe it'd be Plo Koon instead of Tiin, because Tiin was always the crazy pilot Jedi in the EU. *shrug*
The Nooooo Debate
Well many say that the "Noooooooooo" bit was lame. I agree but perhaps for a different reason. I think the actual utterance of "Noooooooooooo" wasn't so bad, what WAS bad was the way Vader leans back and moves his body and flails his arms as he is saying it..... I think if he just had a better pysical movement, it wouldn't have seemed so bad. Just like when he breaks free of the table, his movements are like a cheezy Frankenstein. If he had just stepped forward with more force and grace, it would have made the scene so much better, even with the "Noooooooooo" in there. The movements dissapointed me, not the dialouge.
Wow, this is a good thread. Episode 3 had a lot of problems and I agree with a lot of your points
1) More Dooku!-Anakin should have turned to the Dark Side when he killed Dooku. This would have been a great link to Return of the Jedi where is Luke killed Vader, he would then turn.
2) Get rid of C-3PO-make him a character that only shows up in the end of Episode 3. Also since when does C-3PO fly a ship?
3) Get rid of General Grevious - what a waste of character and time for ILM to produce. They should have given GG's screen time to Dooku
4) Where the hell was Mon Mothma and the founding leaders of the Rebel Alliance??????
5) Rewrite the whole Darth Vader part - The "NOOOOOOOOOOO"! part made Vader a wuss - that guy is suppose to be baddest mother in the galaxy and give him more screen time. Vader is the best character in the whole series. To be honest Anakin should have been a Micheal Corelone type character in the Prequels. Have him start as a teenage boy in Episode one not wanting to be involved with the Jedi cause and at the end join them. Episode 2 him being the top Jedi during the clone wars and finally Episode 3 his downfall.
6) Did Natalie Portman even try to act in this movie? She was terrible!
7) Better ending - Make it have Owen get the baby from Obi Wan and then tell him to get off his property. Didn't Uncle Owen want Luke to stay away from Obi Wan? How did Owen get so pissed off at Obi Wan
That is how I see it. To be honest I think Lucas failed the fans with the Prequels and Rick McCallium knows nothing about Star Wars.
They need a part where clone troopers line up and kill whiny fans.
I mean seriously people. this thread started out good, butsome of you guys are complaining over inane things. you know who you are.
All I really want is the Dooku and Grevious we saw in clone wars. Hard asskickers instead of the big letdowns. I mean, Grevious was admittedly explained with his scrunched up organs, but there was really no excuse for Dooku suddenly feeling his age or whatever. Clone wars was ment to be this big build up for episode III, and sadly ended up making hte movie a letdown because it couldn't live up to the animated action preceeding it.
And for the record, you have to keep the no. Somebody screaming no is a staple of star wars movies.
I've learned to accept Vaders first step scene. After drinking a bottle of Aftershock last weekend I know how hard it is to walk when you can't feel your legs. However, the "Master Anakin, what should we do?" youngling should have been swiped down before getting the chance to deliver the most poorly acted line in the entire 6 movies.
I really wouldn't change a thing. It's a fantastic movie, emotionally powerful as-is. On the DVD, they will change a few things I'm sure, they always do, GL is never finished with a movie.
Only two things I'd add, but they're not necessary.
1. Add Threepio saving Padme from the falling volcanic rock on the Mustafar landing platform. He told Obi-Wan he brought her on board, and I would have liked Threepio to have a heroic moment in the Saga.
2. Add Yoda, Obi-Wan and Baby Luke going to Dagobah. Have Obi-Wan & Luke step out and say goodbye to Yoda in the swamp, then blast off. That way it will answer the question of why Luke says "There's something familiar about this place" in TESB.
All those other complaints about it? Naaah.
1. Keep the "Nooooo." This was Vader really became Vader. He's got nothing to live for now. Palpatine was probably smiling under his cloak because he was assured Vader was now his. Besides, the "Noooo" was another bookend to Luke's similar "Noooo." It was heartbreaking hearing Vader's voice talk about Padme. Hearing JEJ's Vader voice talk about Padme was absolutely chilling. Definitely keep the "Nooo." It was the last time we heard Anakin speak until Luke removed his helmet in ROTJ.
2. The "Frankenstein walk" was intentional, and also probably very accurate. I'm glad it was there. Star Wars has homages to all kinds of movies, nothing wrong with a Frankenstein tip of the hat.
3. Natalie Portman acting was wonderful. With the usually bad SW dialogue, she made it great. Her scene with Anakin on Mustafar was heartbreaking. Padme didn't have a lot of fighting in this movie, could you imagine the outrage from groups if they showed a pregnant woman in battle?
Originally posted by chinabing
I really wouldn't change a thing.
You get the REX Award for Not Being a Whiney Noob. 😄
I'm positive we'll see Yoda on Dagobah in the deleted scenes of the DVD.
And Luke's familiarity with Dagobah can be explained as him having a premonition/dream about the planet, hence it being familiar. ✅