4 Reasons Gay Marriage Should Be Legal in the USA!

Originally posted by PVS
conservatives talk about the 'sanctity of marriage' but thats just a bullshit PC line. what they really believe is that being gay is evil. "the bible says its evil" "they'll burn in hell" "god hates f@gs" is the answer you will finally recieve when you press the question hard enough. its a product of prejudice and intolerance. funny since its the exact opposite of how jesus taught us to conduct ourselves. hypocrtite redneck fools they are, so obsessed with christs' judgement on others that they fail to see their own evil. i wonder what jesus will have to say to THEM when they finally meet him. probably "piss off"

Jesus didn't preach tolerance, there is no virtue called tolerance. Christians are called to somrthing better, LOVE. I have gay friends, they know I am christian, and they know I dont approve of what they do. And they know that people shouldn't hate them, they should hate what they do.

Liberals preach tolerance, tolerance is just a half assed form of love. I tolerate you, yea that sounds nice.

You don't tolerate people killing themselves, you love them, so you tell them to stop.

So you liberals go screaming for half assed love while I go out and say, YES your doing something bad, NO I don't hate you. If I hated you I would let you do it, because I want to see you mess up. I love you, and want to help, so I tell you what your doing is wrong.

I think religious people...actually think they know whats best for everyone lololololol

and here my ass thought it was all about control...

wow...education. This country needs more education.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen

Yes you are barring them that way. Why should gay men marry straight women and vise versa? they would only be miserable, wisen up dude.

If a gay man married a straight woman that marriage would be total BS...no love would be involved, only money.

Wow...you really are a century behind. GEt with the program dude.

Again, I didn't say that they would want to, just that they could. A gay man has the same rights as a straight man, and a gay woman the same as a straight. The only thing keeping them from getting married that way is their own choices. example. If I get arrested I have the right to remain silent. If I wave that right it's my choice my civil rights are not violated.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Whether or not it is fine with you is irrelevent. It's thier life, not yours. It's thier happiness, not yours. Why do you care so much ????

Again...you are promoting seperate but equal....open your eyes...wake up

Actually, I don't care that much, but you did ask my opinion. I'm not promoting separate but equal. I'm promoting absolute equality.

Originally posted by Alliance
dude, you are UNAMERICAN. YOu attack the most sacred belief in American culture.

"ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL"

Gays desrve all the rights stright do. Its marriage. Calling it a Civil Union is denying what it is, MARRIAGE. Thats called seperate but equal. Do you support segregation?

Still confused about where I attacked that. Straights and gays have the same rights, whether or not they exercize those rights is their choice. And again, 2 men is not the same thing as one man and one woman.

The first page of this thread is full of pure idiocy.

Originally posted by NineCoronas
The first page of this thread is full of pure idiocy.

yeah, but all the other gay marriage threads seem to get closed...

'Treat thy neighbor as thyself'

I want to get married. Some people are gay. I don't want gay people to stop me from marrying, ergo I let gay people marry.

I say if gays can't marry then everyone who thinks their lifestyle is 'wrong' shouldn't be able to marry. We don't want the idiots reproducing, now do we?

Again, I didn't say that they would want to, just that they could. A gay man has the same rights as a straight man, and a gay woman the same as a straight. The only thing keeping them from getting married that way is their own choices. example. If I get arrested I have the right to remain silent. If I wave that right it's my choice my civil rights are not violated.

These marriages would not work. A gay man is not capable of having sexual or romantic feelings for a woman. A lesbian woman does not have sexual or romantic feelings for a man.

These would be false marriages, ones lacking in love, and therefore meaningless.

If you let two gay men get married, you have two men who are in love, therefore thier marriage means something. Same with lesbians.

Marriage is not just a religious right. It is a civil right as well, and all Americans are entitled to it. Marriage only between a man and woman? Do all current marriages work? No...so where is your logic coming from ?

Actually, I don't care that much, but you did ask my opinion. I'm not promoting separate but equal. I'm promoting absolute equality.

Absolute Equality? You still wont not allow gay men to marry eachother, or lesbian women to marry each other. However you are fine with a straight man and a straight woman marrying eachother.

You're either deluded, a hypocrit, or your joking.....do you hear yourself?

You are promoting SEPERATE BUT EQUAL.....just admit it....you lost all my respect because you don't even know what you're talking about here.

Still confused about where I attacked that. Straights and gays have the same rights, whether or not they exercize those rights is their choice. And again, 2 men is not the same thing as one man and one woman.

You are right...two men is not the SAME thing as a man+woman....but its EQUAL.....two men deserve to be together in marriage just as much as a man and woman deserve to be together in marriage.

The foundation is love.....your basing foundation on religion and tradition, and that has nothing to do with the Love two people have for each other.

ne ways, it doesnt matter what you think. The world is changing. People's minds are opening. Tolerance is growing. Gays will eventually have the same privelages that straights have, and nothing you do or say will change that.

I did a search on the word "tax" on every page of this thread. No results. Come on people, use some common sense here. I mean, forget love, tell me the tax refund isn't what it's all about. Throw in a couple of kids (I guess for the gay marriages, adopted would count the same??), and you're talking jackpot every April.

I think marriage should be banned completely....

I did a search on the word "tax" on every page of this thread. No results. Come on people, use some common sense here. I mean, forget love, tell me the tax refund isn't what it's all about. Throw in a couple of kids (I guess for the gay marriages, adopted would count the same??), and you're talking jackpot every April.

You're telling me that Straight couples never marry for reasons other than love? So ALL straight married couples marry because they are in love, and for no other reason (benefits)

And you claim that gay people only want to get married for tax reasons....how do you know ?

How can you be so sure? Are you a gay person? I don't imagine you are, so how do u know ?

Well, I've made that not-so-serious post in about 10 different gay marriage threads, just to fill you in on that one since you joined on May 10th of this year. Be on the lookout for post #11. It'll be in the 11th gay marriage thread, and it'll be zany!

Originally posted by botankus
I did a search on the word "tax" on every page of this thread. No results.

No you didn't. 😛

Silly comment by me on the first page...

"3. The economy will fluctuate due to tax discounts and other things that happens when you are legally married." 😂

You're right. I must have typed in "tsx" or something a keystroke off. You made a good, silly point, though.

I think gay marriages should be illegalized and please!

The bible want all the of the oppsite sex to be together and make more besides havin another adam and steve come around and ruin society. I jus hope that gay marriages get illegalized. Men being gay is aiight wit me but the marriages should be illegal. No reason for gay marriages to be legalized. One of the reasons why im a bush party republcan hata 😉

Originally posted by Darth Jello
In any case, you gotta realize that most men, gay or straight, have standards.

This is the part about biggots that I will never be able to understand. They assume that just because a man is gay, that he wants EVERY man they encounter. The idea is insane, because even the most grotesque man I encounter on the streets has standards of one form or another.

And while I support gay marriage, I don't fake myself out by justifying it as anything other than what it is...forced acceptance. But, that's what people don't understand. Those people who oppse it, for what ever reason they mention, are actually just biggots who refuse to take the mental steps required to understand the situation. It's easier for them to cast gays as deviants and social criminals than it is to just understand they're human beings too.

here's a fairly non-religious anti-gay marriage article.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196456,00.html

some interesting stuff.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen

Marriage is not just a religious right. It is a civil right as well, and all Americans are entitled to it. Marriage only between a man and woman? Do all current marriages work? No...so where is your logic coming from ?

Marriage isn't a right at all. It's a contract entailing certain responsibilities and priviledges. It has well defined prerequisites for entering into it. The burden is on those wishing to change those prerequisites.

Do all marriages work? Sadly, no. I'm also an advocate of tougher divorce laws, but that's a topic for another thread.

My logic is sound. Marriage is at it's root about raising families. Men and women can do that. Either gender alone is physically incapable of it. One way promotes and protects social growth, the other makes a few people feel better about themselves.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Absolute Equality? You still wont not allow gay men to marry eachother, or lesbian women to marry each other. However you are fine with a straight man and a straight woman marrying eachother.

You're either deluded, a hypocrit, or your joking.....do you hear yourself?

You are promoting SEPERATE BUT EQUAL.....just admit it....you lost all my respect because you don't even know what you're talking about here.

Yep, abosolute equality. Get rid of the adjectives and you'll see what I mean. Any man can marry any woman, and vice versa. A man cannot marry a man, a woman cannot marry a woman. All men have the same rights, but it is their choice whether or not they exercize them.

Fox News? You've got to be kidding me.

And actually yes, marriage IS a right. It is not a privelige that you need to earn, it is a right that you have if you so wish. Marriage is not necessarily about raising families anymore -- there are many many married couples who are childless. Should you just not allow them to marry anymore?

That's not equal in the least. If a man wishes to marry another man they should be able to. Two women should be able to as well. Allowing someone to marry whomever they wish, regardless of gender -- THAT would be equality.

Originally posted by JacopeX
I think gay marriages should be illegalized and please!

The bible want all the of the oppsite sex to be together and make more besides havin another adam and steve come around and ruin society. I jus hope that gay marriages get illegalized. Men being gay is aiight wit me but the marriages should be illegal. No reason for gay marriages to be legalized. One of the reasons why im a bush party republcan hata 😉

Can you give a reason for gay marriages to NOT be made legal, without mentioning religion?

Only if you can give a good reason that they should. By the way, I didn't say that marriage was a priviledge. I said that it entailed priviledges. Don't forget the responsibilities too.

And what's wrong with foxnews? Did you even read the thing?

Fox News is notoriously biased to the right wing Christian conservatives. Using it as a source, especially in such a debate, will serve no purpose beyond getting you laughed out of the thread.

Why should it be allowed? Because we're a country that preaches equal rights for all; freedom for all. Because we have freedom of religion and it is illegal and unconstitutional to make laws based on religion. Because our constitution states "all men are created equal". Because it's nothing but discrimination to deny someone a basic human right due to their sexuality. Because it will NOT harm anyone in any way, nor will it cause society to fail and humanity to die off, as everyone seems to think. Because there is no reason to not allow it. Because you do not have the right to force your personal morals on everyone else. If you don't like the idea, then don't marry someone of the same gender. But don't tell someone else they can't marry someone because you don't like it.

Originally posted by Lana
Fox News is notoriously biased to the right wing Christian conservatives. Using it as a source, especially in such a debate, will serve no purpose beyond getting you laughed out of the thread.

Why should it be allowed? Because we're a country that preaches equal rights for all; freedom for all. Because we have freedom of religion and it is illegal and unconstitutional to make laws based on religion. Because our constitution states "all men are created equal". Because it's nothing but discrimination to deny someone a basic human right due to their sexuality. Because it will NOT harm anyone in any way, nor will it cause society to fail and humanity to die off, as everyone seems to think. Because there is no reason to not allow it. Because you do not have the right to force your personal morals on everyone else. If you don't like the idea, then don't marry someone of the same gender. But don't tell someone else they can't marry someone because you don't like it.

It's no less biased than CNN is for the other side. I personally think this whole civil rights argument is laughable.

Let me remind you that we already covered the equal rights thing. A man can get married if he wants too. Marriage entails a relationship with a woman. If the man doesn't want that it's his choice. No civil rights violations there.

As an aside, the constitution actually say "Congress shall make no law respecting religion or prohibiting the free exercize thereof". Laws have historically been made based on the morals and ethics of the society as a whole. I'm not bringing religion into this, but even if I were it sure ain't unconstitutional or illegal.

The constition doesn't say that all men are created equal (that's the Declaration of Independence). And even if it did I already covered that. Both gay and straight men have the same access to marriage. The difference is in there desire to enter into the contract with an appropriate partner (namely one of the opposite sex).

And as far as not harming anyone... Do I harm anyone if I neglect to buckle my seatbelt, or if I want to do do drugs in the privacy of my own home? Society makes laws like that, deal with it. And as far as that goes. Traditional marriage actually benefits society(Studies have shown that traditional families generally produce more stable children). What benefit would come of changing it. I asked for a good reason. In other words, to be blunt, what's in it for me (meaning society as a whole)?