Hercules vs. Gladiator

"Thor was using a device to boost up his speed 100X the speed of light. Gladiator fought him at that speed. Nobodies lying to you. Those who know a good deal about Gladiator know this already. "

Everyone who knows about Thor knows he has reached those speeds without a boost before. So he was boosted in that storyline. How about the others?

"Yeah well Gladiator did fight at that speed. He used lightspeed stomped Wonderman in Operation Galactic Storm. "

So Gladiator is like DBZ? Figthing skills with that speed.

"Please don't use Thor as an example of speed. Most fights involving Thor and Gladiator, Gladiator's dominated"

Except those when he has said the Thunder God was too strong for him right?

"Gladiator hits him with speed blitz, heat vision, and flight"

Yes we all know that. What im asking is if his combat abilities are used with that speed like DbZ. Because frankly if he does Thor has it too because you know they - trade punches- before. Dos the Hulk has it too?

"Gladiator's smashed a planet and moved asteroids. Herc has strength and a mace. And no sh!t, Herc isn't equal to Gladiator in strength"

Thor and BRB have smashed planets before. Heracles held a cosmic being on his back in the myths. He has trow objects like skycrafts into orbit before. And in earth Glads feats dont compare with Heracles. If Glads has any strenght advantage at all it isent much compared with Herc or Thor.

(continuing) At least on earth he doesnt.

Originally posted by Beyonder
He snapped Hyperion's neck.

Thor was using a device to boost up his speed 100X the speed of light. Gladiator fought him at that speed. Nobodies lying to you. Those who know a good deal about Gladiator know this already.

Yeah well Gladiator did fight at that speed. He used lightspeed stomped Wonderman in Operation Galactic Storm. Masterson Thor had to hit him from behind when WM was down. He still kicked M. Thor's ass using his speed and other powers. M. Thor had to pull Living Lightning out of the sky to help him win against Gladiator.

Please don't use Thor as an example of speed. Most fights involving Thor and Gladiator, Gladiator's dominated. His speed overwhelms Thor in most battle. Thor's only won with outside interference (Living Lightning, Tarene, Enchantress, etc.)

Gladiator's smashed a planet and moved asteroids. Herc has strength and a mace. And no sh!t, Herc isn't equal to Gladiator in strength.

Gladiator hits him with speed blitz, heat vision, and flight.

If you wanna bring up that sh!t fight with Hulk, Maximus K.O.ed Herc in one throw during Infinty Crusade.

Everyone who knows about Thor knows he has reached those speeds without a boost before. So he was boosted in that storyline. How about the others?

There first battle Gladiator was weak, and thor had boost still he couldn't match Gladiator’s speed (when he was actually using it), his heat vision is lethal if it takes contact.

Again masterson – Glad kick Wonder-man ass, again you see that Gladiator is so fast that Thor can even blow his punches (again when using his speed)

As you will notice writer don’t use his speed in battles much, because all the time he does , he takes care of his enemies pretty easily.

And in these forums we are assuming that Gladitor will be fighting with all his abilities , meaning at those speed.

So Gladiator is like DBZ? Figthing skills with that speed.

Like I said Writers don't use his speed as well as you would think, if he was using his speed 24/7 , Thor , Hulk , etc can't touch him. --- It’s fact it’s been proven

The probably is he rare uses his speed --- which is not the case here.

But it's comic slower people always get the fast ones , if they don’t it whould be pretty boring.

But like I said in these thread When someone says

Flash vs Spider-man ---- people will says Flash will K.O Spider in a seconds

Except those when he has said the Thunder God was too strong for him right?

Don't forget that battle ---- Gladiator own Thor ---- one , on one ---- then more peepz join the party, you will see a example of his speed , a well written Gladiator would be fighting at that speed all day.

At least in these forums

Yes we all know that. What im asking is if his combat abilities are used with that speed like DbZ. Because frankly if he does Thor has it too because you know they - trade punches- before. Dos the Hulk has it too?

Pre -Crisis sups has traded blows with Hulk
Silver Surfer has traded blows with Hulk
Grundy has traded blows with Superman
Darksied used to trade blows with Superman
etc shit like that happends.

But in these treads people are always presuming that the char will be using all the speed they can.

other wise THor would own supes easily

"He can't have you ever seen Thor use his speed in his battles , if this was the case , SUperman can't even touch thor , Gladiator can move think , act faster than light itself."

So says his powerset.

"Like I said Writers don't use his speed as well as you would think"

Then he doesnt use it in comics? This is kinda like everyone says Hulk has limitess strenght and he has yet to show it. Mind you im not saying he dosnt fly at that speed. My beef is he doesnt fight or has been show to fight with that speed. Combat speed is not the same as flying faster than light and charge at someone.

"Again masterson – Glad kick Wonder-man ass, again you see that
Gladiator is so fast that Thor can even blow his punches (again when using his speed)"

But Masterson did beat Glads, didnt he?

"other wise THor would own supes easily"

Nobody of the Top tier own each other. No one will win 10 out of 10 against each other. "ownings" at this level simply dont exist. You lose one and win another. Thats how always theyr fights go.

Gladiator gets beat alot cause he looses his self-esteem lol

Poor Gladiator. 😆

Of course he had low confidence.

Wasent that Cassandra xavier - nude- ??

I would too.

Dude when did this happen???????

'He has trow objects like skycrafts into orbit before.'

I've heard about that. Dude do you have any scans oof that????????

Yeah but i have to search for it. And he trew it while moving it with minor super speed. ( the skycrafter was about to explode and he only had seconds to prevent it ).

was it recently or not
Say within the last 20 years????????
Sorry im well tired but this thing is addictive

I think theres more examples. But the one - i have- its from Hercules series by Bob layton. He does all in a matter of seconds. Wich is impressive for someone whos not a speedster.

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I've been on it for far too long

Chill out man. The site is fun to be but remember the world out there.

Ill see if i can get a scan of it. I hav ethe whole comic on a computer but the pages arent separated. Well see what i can do.

Originally posted by olympian
Everyone who knows about Thor knows he has reached those speeds without a boost before. So he was boosted in that storyline. How about the others?

Thor and the FF were amped by Reed's device. Gladiator noticed them while the rest of the empire didn't. He then fought Thor. Gladiator didn't need a device while Thor had one.

So Gladiator is like DBZ? Figthing skills with that speed.

Uh, Gladiator did this some time before DBZ came out.

Except those when he has said the Thunder God was too strong for him right?

Strong? If you think Thor only beat him using strength you've got to be kidding me. Thor used Mjlnornir's abilities like blast, thunder, and tornados to fight Gladiator. He used it to dirvert Gladiator's ice breath.

Gladiator didn't mean strength when he said that.

Yes we all know that. What im asking is if his combat abilities are used with that speed like DbZ. Because frankly if he does Thor has it too because you know they - trade punches- before. Dos the Hulk has it too?

Yes. He made Wonderman look stupid in their fight. Knocked Thing down in one punch.

Thor and BRB have smashed planets before. Heracles held a cosmic being on his back in the myths. He has trow objects like skycrafts into orbit before. And in earth Glads feats dont compare with Heracles. If Glads has any strenght advantage at all it isent much compared with Herc or Thor.

When has Thor smashed a planet? Bill has, but when has Thor? And where talking about comic Herc, not mythic Herc. There's a difference.

As for the skycrafts, Gladiator held up the FF's tower and moved asteroids.

How does Herc stand up to ice breath that held Tarene? Or a speed blitz? Or flight? Counter heatvision? Gladiator humiliated Wonderman and snapped Hyperion's neck. Herc ain't faring better.

"Thor and the FF were amped by Reed's device. Gladiator noticed them while the rest of the empire didn't. He then fought Thor. Gladiator didn't need a device while Thor had one. "

Your talking about one storyline. One fight. Thor has reach those speeds on his own on his comic before. How you think he can travel to other galaxies and dimensions and hand out with Heralds in speed?

"Strong? If you think Thor only beat him using strength you've got to be kidding me."

I didnt said that. I said both are in the same class. Its how they are show.

"Gladiator didn't mean strength when he said that. "

And yet his words wer " hes just too strong....." no?

"Yes. He made Wonderman look stupid in their fight. Knocked Thing down in one punch"

Both Thor, Herc, Glads and Hulk are stronger than Thing.

"And where talking about comic Herc, not mythic Herc. There's a difference. "

If comics used someone just called "Hercules" with no relation with the myth then yes. You would be right. They use however the mythical one. The myths are cannon on him and are his background. So of course i use him as the same.

"Uh, Gladiator did this some time before DBZ came out. "

No. Dbz style of fights simply dont exist at Dc or Marvel. Its not the same and in this debate its simply trying to make it so. If that would be true Glads would own pretty much anyone. And he doesnt.

"As for the skycrafts, Gladiator held up the FF's tower and moved asteroids"

Gladiator helding a building (ffs tower ) is nothing compared with dragging Manhattan.

"How does Herc stand up to ice breath that held Tarene? Or a speed blitz? Or flight? Counter heatvision? Gladiator humiliated Wonderman and snapped Hyperion's neck. Herc ain't faring better."

he will fair better for the simple fact hes a better figther than Wonder Man and hyperion. And for the other smple fact that - he doesnt die- not by any conventional means like being freezed or burned.

"Uh, Gladiator did this some time before DBZ came out. "

No. Dbz style of fights simply dont exist at Dc or Marvel. Its not the same and in this debate its simply trying to make it so. If that would be true Glads would own pretty much anyone. And he doesnt"

Except Zoom Btw. I saw the "blitz" storyline and he actually - fights- that way. Its how he owned Flash like a kid.

Yes, Gladiator could own basically anyone, but he doesn't. What's so hard to believe about that?

He's badly written, just like Champion. No one should beat either of those two in a h2h fight, but they do because they aren't written to their full capabilities.

Seriously, do you REALLY think Thing should have lasted as long as he did with Champion? Hell no. Even though Champion depowered himself, took away most of his own power to make it a fair fight, he still should have owned him harder than he did.

Every hero gets badly written one in a while. But Glads has never fought ala DbZ. So far in comics the guy who actually fought that way and ownd everyone was Zoom. Just the fact hes way faster than flash ( even after stealing speeds from others ) and Superman and thinks, reacts and acts, breaths at those speeds make it so.

Glads can travel and fly at those speeds. The rest is what i call dubious.