Bush still strong on opposing G8 debt-relief

Originally posted by jaden101
hence i said "despite" what happened in 2000...quite obviously that i wasn't refering to that

Originally posted by jaden101
so do you really think he's listening to pathetic insults?

pathetic insults? must every comment about bush be in such a form where it may be presented to him as a memo? i said he's frikin evil because i think he's frikin evil. i didnt say that with the delusion that he would recieve this message and adjust his policy to my liking. thus the whole point of taking advantage of our civic power to elect who we see fit....man wtf are you getting at anyway? if you want to argue with me, lets have it make sense and have some direction please

edit: and let us not forget that a minority of people in america actually vote.
half of voting americans voted for bush, but what if the lazy majority got off their asses? one can dream

i said he's frikin evil because i think he's frikin evil.

and as i said in my post...if you think bush is evil then you really need to look into the actions of really evil people and perhaps use your voice against them

no, you clearly said that he won the popular vote in 2000. gore won the popular vote. if you follow my posts, you'll realise im not too proud to stand corrected when i get my info wrong. hint hint...

if the message was lost on you...not my fault

as for the election turnout...in 2004 it was the highest for nearly 40 years...60.7%

i think you are dreaming if you think that the 39.3% that didn't vote are lazy democrats

fact is...despite the scandal of 2000...you had you're chance to turf out Bush...and didn't do it

Originally posted by MC Mike
The US gives much too little. If we want to stuff our noses into everyone's damn business, our percentage of donations should be higher than anyone else's percentages.

Hey, it's the people themselves that give....I just gave $2000.00 to the hurricane relief...and I know other that always give too.

Originally posted by jaden101
and as i said in my post...if you think bush is evil then you really need to look into the actions of really evil people and perhaps use your voice against them

i dont get it. what you are saying is that since there are leaders who excel in acts of evil which far surpass bush's, then bush is not evil?

is everything so black and white to you?

does that mean i can go on a murdering spree and if anyone calls me evil i can just tell them stalin murdered over 50,000,000 people, so i'm not evil? i dont get it dude

Originally posted by debbiejo
Hey, it's the people themselves that give....I just gave 00.00 to the hurricane relief...and I know other that always give too.

You didn't really.....did you....not seriously......if you really did that I will have to consider putting you on ignore

Originally posted by Bardock42
You didn't really.....did you....not seriously......if you really did that I will have to consider putting you on ignore

Well ignore me then, cause that's the kind of person I am.... 😛

Originally posted by Bardock42
You didn't really.....did you....not seriously......if you really did that I will have to consider putting you on ignore

Hey wait....you took out the 2....... 😠

Originally posted by debbiejo
Hey wait....you took out the 2....... 😠

What 2?

[edit] no that was a mistake not my faul (I hope)

i dont get it. what you are saying is that since there are leaders who excel in acts of evil which far surpass bush's, then bush is not evil?

so please clarify exactly and with pure fact...exactly why Bush is evil...and by fact i dont mean all the pathetic "war for oil" and "they knew there was no WMD" horse manure

i want to see evidence of Bush ordering mass and deliberate exterminations of entire social and religious groups and acts similar to those ordered by the likes of people like pol pot, adolf hitler...and wouldn't you know it...sadda, hussein

Originally posted by Bardock42
What 2?

[edit] no that was a mistake not my faul (I hope)

You took out my 2.....such a German thing to do..... 😄

Originally posted by jaden101
so please clarify exactly and with pure fact...exactly why Bush is evil...and by fact i dont mean all the pathetic "war for oil" and "they knew there was no WMD" horse manure

so in other words "i want proof, not PROOF" 😖

Originally posted by jaden101
i want to see evidence of Bush ordering mass and deliberate exterminations of entire social and religious groups and acts similar to those ordered by the likes of people like pol pot, adolf hitler...and wouldn't you know it...sadda, hussein

like i said, your logic is folly. you cant think in black and white like that.
by the same logic, when compared to stalin, all dictators mentioned are but sweet cuddley teddy bears. i refuse to debate based on your warped thinking on the topic.

Originally posted by debbiejo
You took out my 2.....such a German thing to do..... 😄

No really I didn't want to do that...I can't believe you spend 2000 US Dollar....I never have seen that much money..........

Originally posted by Bardock42
No really I didn't want to do that...I can't believe you spend 2000 US Dollar....I never have seen that much money..........

I felt it was important.....I don't believe so much in tithing in church, but think the real message is give to those who need it....many people feel that way...It did hurt though.....Ouch for a long time!!

whats warped about it?

why do you and people who argue that bush is evil completely disregard all of the positive actions that the Bush administration has done?

lets not forget that the middle east peace process is as far advanced as it has ever been under the pressure that the bush administration has placed on arial sharon and his government

as i mentioned earlier in this thread...the AGOA is one of the biggest schemes to tackle poverty in africa that there has ever been

how about ending the terrible suppresion of womens rights in afghanistan and iraq

how about the school and hospital building programmes going on in iraq that the media doesn't seem to think is news worthy

or the fact that the US is one of the biggest aid givers to the palestinian people...called for by george bush

Originally posted by jaden101
whats warped about it?

why do you and people who argue that bush is evil completely disregard all of the positive actions that the Bush administration has done?

what about em? huh? are there any?

Originally posted by jaden101
lets not forget that the middle east peace process is as far advanced as it has ever been under the pressure that the bush administration has placed on arial sharon and his government

as a rooster takes credit for the sunrise. so will bush for the events in isreal. every president has seemed to make progress there, then it all goes to shit.
same as it ever was. you can celebrate prematurely and assume the violence has ended for good, and please send me a postcard from fantasy land.

Originally posted by jaden101
as i mentioned earlier in this thread...the AGOA is one of the biggest schemes to tackle poverty in africa that there has ever been

i have to research this further, but i fail to see how mutually beneficial commerce is some kind of act of good will.

Originally posted by jaden101

how about ending the terrible suppresion of womens rights in afghanistan and iraq

it never ended dude 😬 where do you hear that it did? women are still stoned to death in afghanastan, it is now the heroine capitol of the world, and what of brutality and discrimination for religious beliefs and and sexes in saudi arabia? might i add the only country in the world where women are not allowed to drive? where is our hero bush on this matter?

Originally posted by jaden101
how about the school and hospital building programmes going on in iraq that the media doesn't seem to think is news worthy

because its expected and obigated to build schools and hospitals in place of the ones which we have bombed...isnt it?

you can celebrate prematurely and assume the violence has ended for good, and please send me a postcard from fantasy land.

so now you completely twist what i post...why...its doesnt exactly further your floundering argument does it?

i have to research this further, but i fail to see how mutually beneficial commerce is some kind of act of good will.

i think if you DO bother to research it further then you'll find that every finincial institution and expert in the world agrees that trade with africa if a far better, longer lasting, more direct and more effiecient way to alleviate poverty in africa than aid is

it is now the heroine capitol of the world,

always has been...if anything this is an argument to send MORE allied forces in to kurb the growth or provide the growers of afghanistan the same subsidies that the French get to grow something else other than heroin...2 birds with 1 stone...helps alleviate poverty AND helps tackle heroin production...how good am i 😛

saudi arabia? might i add the only country in the world where women are not allowed to drive? where is our hero bush on this matter?

surely this isn't the same contradiction i've been hearing from anti war groups since the war began...the good ol' " why dont you stop x and y regimes"....you cant be FOR one war and against another

not to mention the fact that not all bad regimes need to be tackled with force... Gaddafi of Libya for example...you can thank us brits for that one though

because its expected and obigated to build schools and hospitals in place of the ones which we have bombed...isnt it?

again another bit of twisted propaganda that makes it look like schools were deliberately targeted by US and UK forces...they weren't...unlike what currently happens with REAL evil terrorists...Beslan...how quickly that was forgotten eh?

yes, your "x and y" regimes statements just shoots that point down doesnt it?

no it doesnt. nice try

in saudi arabia people are jailed and even killed for being christian or jewish. women have no rights whatsever and if you think that theyare not brutalised, then welcome to fantasy land, like i said. if you wish to forsake reality just to feel like you've "won" this arguement, then fine, whatever.

but after all the lies were exposed as lies, the only excuse bush has to fall back on was "saddam was evil. blah blah blah."

christians are jailed and killed, women are brutalised, the saudi royal family was edited out of the official 9-11 report, all funding for 9-11 came from saudi arabia, all flashing red lights which say "THE PROBLEM----->" point to that nation......so we bomb iraq....again. and put absolutely no pressure on the saudi royal family. quite the opposite. but yes jaden, it has NOTHING to do with oil. nothing at all. remember to send that postcard.

bush declared that his mission is to spread freedom throughout the world. that was his final reason fo going into iraq. that was it... "saddam was evil" well, so is the saudi government. why is it illogical to question why with one hand he smacks one dictator and with the other hand he pats another dictator on the back. not to mention walking around camp david sharing tender moments and wispering sweet nothings

Originally posted by jaden101
so now you completely twist what i post...why...its doesnt exactly further your floundering argument does it?

How did he do that? What did Bush really do for Israel and Palestinia? Absolutely nothing. Nothing more then Clinton did. It will fail just like everything else that has been done there.

i think if you DO bother to research it further then you'll find that every finincial institution and expert in the world agrees that trade with africa if a far better, longer lasting, more direct and more effiecient way to alleviate poverty in africa than aid is

I completely agree with that.

always has been...if anything this is an argument to send MORE allied forces in to kurb the growth or provide the growers of afghanistan the same subsidies that the French get to grow something else other than heroin...2 birds with 1 stone...helps alleviate poverty AND helps tackle heroin production...how good am i 😛

The Taliban stopped most of the heroine trade from Afghanistan when it was in power, always has been my ass.

surely this isn't the same contradiction i've been hearing from anti war groups since the war began...the good ol' " why dont you stop x and y regimes"....you cant be FOR one war and against another

If they are all evil, then why are you saying that some of them are good. Why is Bush saying some of them are not evil... Don't say he improved those country's when he didn't.

not to mention the fact that not all bad regimes need to be tackled with force... Gaddafi of Libya for example...you can thank us brits for that one though

Thank you. And if they don't, what was the point of Iraq again, not the worst regime around, and it shouldn't have had the highest priority. Why was that one taken out first?

again another bit of twisted propaganda that makes it look like schools were deliberately targeted by US and UK forces...they weren't...unlike what currently happens with REAL evil terrorists...Beslan...how quickly that was forgotten eh?

So you are saying you shouldn't rebuild schools that were bombed. Whether it was by accident or not shouldn't matter, if I accidentally set fire on your house should i Just walk away and not pay for a new house, or should I pay for a new house?

edit: DAMNIT!!!! double posts piss me the f*** off 😠 😠

Originally posted by Fishy
The Taliban stopped most of the heroine trade from Afghanistan when it was in power, always has been my ass.

absolutely. i dont know where you thought of that one jaden.
pay attention to the news. heroin has never been as cheap as it is today.
and WHY? take a guess

Originally posted by Fishy
So you are saying you shouldn't rebuild schools that were bombed. Whether it was by accident or not shouldn't matter, if I accidentally set fire on your house should i Just walk away and not pay for a new house, or should I pay for a new house?

apparently you wouldnt have a care in the world, as long as you didnt mean it.