Originally posted by Emperor Revan
Yes but the Yuuzhan Vong took over Coruscant, beating the New Republic even with the Jedi's help. They have living ships that respond to them and what they lack in numbers they make up for with skill.
Wasn't it NJO Luke that first denied help and than later destroyed the Yuuzhan Vong more or less on his own - meaning: killing thousands of them, slaying their strongest warriors within seconds etc. ?
The Empire was defeated - at least by Luke Skywalker
The Yuuzhan Vong were defeated - again Luke Skywalker
And the Battle of Endor. Yes...who would have destroyed the second Death Star ? All the Alliance leaders that would have been killed by the first Death Star on Yavin 4 ?
In a logical way, this whole thread is quite well...undefined. Does "No Jedi / Sith" mean "no force users" ?
There would be:
No (sucessful) Alliance without Luke Skywalker
No Empire without Sidious / Palpatine (and thereby no Alliance)
No CIS withous Sidious / Palpatine and Dooku
No Republic Army without Sidious (and no Jedi)
No Infinite Empire without Rakatan
No Yuuzhan Vong without Onimi
So that would be a senseless discussion. If it's just about troop size and firepower the Empire controls more planets, has more resources (normal and human ones) and more troops, ships and firepower than the rest. Not to mention all that superweapons.
Originally posted by Emperor Revan
I don't think all of the Rakatans are Force users. After all, they said they needed Revan's help to get into the temple and destroy the Star Forge because they couldn't go in because they can't use the Force. Or somesuch. I believe they had some other way of controlling the Star Forge but their willpower was too weak and it eventually destroyed them.Anywho, with no Force users I also think it's the Vong with the Empire at a close second.
They did have force users, it just died out in their species. There are a bunch of scientists there trying to find a way to implant it in them again just so that they can destroy the Star Forge. They used to all control the force then their connection weakened, they couldn't control the Star Forge ships became worth a lot more the plague started to spread becuase they couldn't stop it with the force and before you knew it there was a full out war in the Rakatan Empire and it collapsed into itself. Without a powerful leader to own the Star Forge they had to fight wars in order to find out who would lead, and without the Star Forge they couldn't rebuild their ships. The collapse of the Infinite Empire happened only because they lost their connection to the force.
And it is literally said that once all of them controlled the force. So that would mean billions of force users. Owning everything.
Infinite empire the name infinite pretty much sums up why, because that's how big the army pretty much was, it made tens of thousands of ships and droids, with jedi Revan being the tactical genius he is with bastilla's battle meditation owns it,
pure numbers is between infinite empire and empire, technology goes to the empire,
tactics go to infinite empire if we include revan
and training goes to the republic. w
what wikipedia says opinion wise doesn't mean much, it's also said many other false opinions and it's opinions aren't cannon only the facts displayed there. Sidious regime never accomplished anything except getting it's ass kicked by a force with inferior technology at a third of it's size, Revans army had the galaxy ripe for the picking it completely decimated the republic fleet (which I would compare to the alliance) and crushed everything, their forces were so numerous they could blot out a sun the only reason they didn't conquer the galaxy is that when revan left it turned on itself without a leader otherwise it owned the galaxy.
Originally posted by Darth_Frobo
Infinite empire the name infinite pretty much sums up why, because that's how big the army pretty much was, it made tens of thousands of ships and droids, with jedi Revan being the tactical genius he is with bastilla's battle meditation owns it,pure numbers is between infinite empire and empire, technology goes to the empire,
tactics go to infinite empire if we include revan
and training goes to the republic. w
what wikipedia says opinion wise doesn't mean much, it's also said many other false opinions and it's opinions aren't cannon only the facts displayed there. Sidious regime never accomplished anything except getting it's ass kicked by a force with inferior technology at a third of it's size, Revans army had the galaxy ripe for the picking it completely decimated the republic fleet (which I would compare to the alliance) and crushed everything, their forces were so numerous they could blot out a sun the only reason they didn't conquer the galaxy is that when revan left it turned on itself without a leader otherwise it owned the galaxy.
To begin with they got that because of the Star Forge...there isn't one in this battle neither is the DeathStar. The Empire has the greatest fleet in the galaxy. That's why they could control the galaxy with the senate.
Originally posted by Darth_Frobo
Infinite empire the name infinite pretty much sums up why, because that's how big the army pretty much was, it made tens of thousands of ships and droids, with jedi Revan being the tactical genius he is with bastilla's battle meditation owns it,pure numbers is between infinite empire and empire, technology goes to the empire,
tactics go to infinite empire if we include revan
and training goes to the republic. w
what wikipedia says opinion wise doesn't mean much, it's also said many other false opinions and it's opinions aren't cannon only the facts displayed there. Sidious regime never accomplished anything except getting it's ass kicked by a force with inferior technology at a third of it's size, Revans army had the galaxy ripe for the picking it completely decimated the republic fleet (which I would compare to the alliance) and crushed everything, their forces were so numerous they could blot out a sun the only reason they didn't conquer the galaxy is that when revan left it turned on itself without a leader otherwise it owned the galaxy.
Actually the Infinite Empire is not Revan's empire, it existed some 20,000 years before Revan or so. Revan's sith Empire seems to be called Revan's Sith Empire. And I agree, if there were Force users than Revan's Sith Empire would win, but without Force users it's the Yuuzhan Vong.