So do I... 😉
Originally posted by DarkYoda
These types of things are not absolute though... any given day one of these two could be stronger than the other. If Sidious had fought on Yoda's terms things might have turned out differently... and remember, Yoda was having to hurl the senate pods UP at Sidious, Sidious was basically just letting them fall. It's a lot harder to lift than to toss down when gravity is on your side. 😉
wtf, environment?
i think you guys just LIKE to think Yoda was stronger.
they are equal. enough said. could have gone either way.
had they been in a friggin blue milk bar palps would go outside and throw cars at yoda, i mean common. in the forest he would have thrown trees at him. on and on and on. makes no difference.
point is that they are pretty much equal and yoda got owned when it counted.
if so powerful yoda is, then why not fight him again?
and yea "clone troopers" etc. im pretty sure Yoda could sneak into palps chambers had he really wanted too again.
he said it himself "failed I have"
First, enviroment certainly does matter in duels. Especially when they are both so adept at using the enviroment. Do you really think palps would win a duel if they were in a cealed, empty room with no exits? Please, even the most die hard Sith fan would agree that yoda is a superior saber dueler. FIghting in palps "turf" so to speak was a big advantage for him. He got the higher ground, and used it to his advantage, which saved him from getting owned. If they would have fought in the jedi council room, Yoda would have won. Degobah, yoda wins. Other enviroments, palps wins. Enviroment is VERY important.
Secondly, saying "he failed" is in no way an admission of a loss, or that he is weaker. It simply means he failed to kill palps. He knew he had one chance, and ONE CHANCE ONLY to kill him. Palps is too smart, and frankly, too much of a pussy to allow another one on one fight with Yoda. He would forver surround himself with guards to make sure he is never in that vulnerable position again. No, Yoda had one chance, and he failed. But that comment DOES NOT mean he lost the duel, or that he is weaker.
Man I wish that line was never in the movie. It gives too many people an excuse to misinterpret what he was actually saying, and just go with the pea brain answer of, Yoda said it himself, he failed. Pshh... simple english my friend. Since when does failure mean weaker?
Originally posted by Vanquish
First, enviroment certainly does matter in duels. Especially when they are both so adept at using the enviroment. Do you really think palps would win a duel if they were in a cealed, empty room with no exits? Please, even the most die hard Sith fan would agree that yoda is a superior saber dueler. FIghting in palps "turf" so to speak was a big advantage for him. He got the higher ground, and used it to his advantage, which saved him from getting owned. If they would have fought in the jedi council room, Yoda would have won. Degobah, yoda wins. Other enviroments, palps wins. Enviroment is VERY important.Secondly, saying "he failed" is in no way an admission of a loss, or that he is weaker. It simply means he failed to kill palps. He knew he had one chance, and ONE CHANCE ONLY to kill him. Palps is too smart, and frankly, too much of a pussy to allow another one on one fight with Yoda. He would forver surround himself with guards to make sure he is never in that vulnerable position again. No, Yoda had one chance, and he failed. But that comment DOES NOT mean he lost the duel, or that he is weaker.
Man I wish that line was never in the movie. It gives too many people an excuse to misinterpret what he was actually saying, and just go with the pea brain answer of, Yoda said it himself, he failed. Pshh... simple english my friend. Since when does failure mean weaker?
man ,you have just stole the show ......my opinion exactly
great reply
Originally posted by Vanquish
First, environment certainly does matter in duels. Especially when they are both so adept at using the environment. Do you really think palps would win a duel if they were in a cealed, empty room with no exits? Please, even the most die hard Sith fan would agree that yoda is a superior saber dueler. FIghting in palps "turf" so to speak was a big advantage for him. He got the higher ground, and used it to his advantage, which saved him from getting owned. If they would have fought in the jedi council room, Yoda would have won. Degobah, yoda wins. Other enviroments, palps wins. environment is VERY important.Secondly, saying "he failed" is in no way an admission of a loss, or that he is weaker. It simply means he failed to kill palps. He knew he had one chance, and ONE CHANCE ONLY to kill him. Palps is too smart, and frankly, too much of a pussy to allow another one on one fight with Yoda. He would forver surround himself with guards to make sure he is never in that vulnerable position again. No, Yoda had one chance, and he failed. But that comment DOES NOT mean he lost the duel, or that he is weaker.
Man I wish that line was never in the movie. It gives too many people an excuse to misinterpret what he was actually saying, and just go with the pea brain answer of, Yoda said it himself, he failed. Pshh... simple English my friend. Since when does failure mean weaker?
First, Yoda lost.
second, environment does matter i know, my point is that it makes no difference where they fight. Palps will use the environment to his advantage anyways. like i said, jedi council chamber. he throws chairs at yoda, or breaks the glass and throws sharp pieces of glass at him etc. etc. dagobah, throws trees at him or rocks. whatever.
saying "he failed" is in no way an admission of a loss
ummm, just wondering if YOU speak basic English? cause when someone says "i failed" then they did not succeed. lol... meaning! Yoda lost. he admitted to losing. because, thats what he said.
as for the "once chance" thing, i dont buy it. Like i said, im pretty sure if Yoda had wanted too he could get to palpatine. i mean if Obi-wan can maneuver around the death star completely unnoticed by legions of storm troopers then im pretty sure yoda could get to palps had he really wanted too. but he didnt, cause he knew he might not win, because he FAILED last time they fought.
as for palps being a pussy, whatever, he beat Yoda, enough said. plus, as you said, he is smart. why would he want to fight someone who is probably his equal?
for fear of losing. its the same reason Yoda doesn't try again.
fear of losing power.
they are equal, and no matter what you or anyone says, Yoda lost when it counted. its like saying George Forman vs Muhammad Ali for the championship of the world. Forman was "better" then Ali at the time, but Ali beat him. Any other day the fight could have gone either way. but on the day when it mattered, Ali won the championship.
same goes with Yoda and Palps, in effect, Palps won the Championship sort of speak.
so who really is better?
the one who has a damn good chance of winning any other day? or the one who wins when everything is on the line?
i'll leave that to you to decide.
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
First, Yoda lost.second, environment does matter i know, my point is that it makes no difference where they fight. Palps will use the environment to his advantage anyways. like i said, jedi council chamber. he throws chairs at yoda, or breaks the glass and throws sharp pieces of glass at him etc. etc. dagobah, throws trees at him or rocks. whatever.
ummm, just wondering if YOU speak basic English? cause when someone says "i failed" then they did not succeed. lol... meaning! Yoda lost. he admitted to losing. because, thats what he said.
as for the "once chance" thing, i dont buy it. Like i said, im pretty sure if Yoda had wanted too he could get to palpatine. i mean if Obi-wan can maneuver around the death star completely unnoticed by legions of storm troopers then im pretty sure yoda could get to palps had he really wanted too. but he didnt, cause he knew he might not win, because he FAILED last time they fought.
as for palps being a pussy, whatever, he beat Yoda, enough said. plus, as you said, he is smart. why would he want to fight someone who is probably his equal?
for fear of losing. its the same reason Yoda doesn't try again.
fear of losing power.
they are equal, and no matter what you or anyone says, Yoda lost when it counted. its like saying George Forman vs Muhammad Ali for the championship of the world. Forman was "better" then Ali at the time, but Ali beat him. Any other day the fight could have gone either way. but on the day when it mattered, Ali won the championship.
same goes with Yoda and Palps, in effect, Palps won the Championship sort of speak.
so who really is better?
the one who has a damn good chance of winning any other day? or the one who wins when everything is on the line?
i'll leave that to you to decide.
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I don't mean to ruin the movie for you Anomaly in case you haven't seen it yet, but YODA LIVES ALSO !!! How do you justify your line of thinking? Yoda lost because he didn't kill palps? Hmmm.. .go watch the movie again before blatently contradicting yourself ok. Yoda didn't win or lose, and Palps didn't win or lose. The duel was a draw. Both fighters did well, AND BOTH LIVED !!! The thread isn't about who won the fight, because neither did. The thread is more about who you think is the stronger of the two. Who is more powerful basically, using the fight as a framework to justify it. But to say that Palps won and Yoda lost because he says "failed have I" is just plain dumb. The word failed, in no way implies a loss. I just don't know what part of english is eluding you, but I can't make it any more clear then that.
Secondly, you say that palps would use the enviroment to his advantage wherever they fight? I don't know where you are getting that, since the movie obviously pointed out that Yoda's force powers are also very powerful. He force pushed Palps into the wall, making him scurry to get up and try to flee the battle. Then Yoda tossed one of the senate pods BACK UP at palps against gravity, which obviously impressed the hell out of palps, given that look he gave him when he did it. Lastly, palps best weapon, his force lightning, was tossed back in his face.
Again, go watch the movie, and you will see for yourself that palps was shocked as hell at Yoda's power during the whole duel. He was better with his saber, CLEARLY, and he was at least palps equal in force powers. The force push, the dodging and tossing back the senate pods up against gravity, and the blocking the lightning WITH HIS BARE HANDS and tossing it back in palps face.
Yoda clearly displayed that palps could never kill him. He threw everything he had, and Yoda just threw it right back at him. Just as Yoda was starting to go on the offensive, he took the worse end of a fall that took him out of the duel. Bad luck? Yes. Did he lose? No. Does his comment about him failing mean he admits he lost? NO!!! It just means he failed to kill palps, which he did. But palps FAILED ALSO.
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And also, don't forget that Palps certainly didn't chase after Yoda when he fell. You say that because Yoda didn't try to go find him again, that is proof that he lost? Palps asked his fuking troopers to go find Yoda for him. Isn't that an admission that he needed all the help he could get? Please... Palps clearly showed during the duel, and after the duel, that he wanted no part of a rematch with Yoda.
Yes it's true that Yoda didn't persue Palps again, but at least he has a good reason. Being that palps has the entire empire protecting him. Yoda has... himself only. You can hardly fault the guy for not persuing someone who he knows he would never even get close to again without having to fight an army.
And NO, Obi wan didn't sneak around palps own ship and get in the same room with him. Sneaking around grevious's ship is entirely different then sneaking onto Palps ship, and finding him alone in his room to fight. Give me a fuking break dude. Vader sensed Obi wan when he wasen't even on the ship yet. Don't you think Palps would be able to sense Yoda is close, and he would have surrounded himself with guards?
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Sids is stronger.but its pretty close, close enough for thier fight to be a draw pretty much (though Yoda lost)
plus as R2-D2-89 pointed out, did you see how much yoda had to concentrate to levitate that pod. sids was just throwing them like nothing. (and no sids was not fighting him for the pod, he let yoda catch it, then proceeded to laugh at him when he did)
although it seems that Yoda's lightning deflection abilities are quite impressive.
You clearly have a visual impedement. Yoda is more powerful than sideous, watch the movie again and this type pay close attention.