Yes, but there are some things that are universally known as evil -- murder being one. Palpatine, by starting the Clone Wars, was directly responsible for the deaths of many people. He was corrupt and manipulating everyone around him to take power. He had the entire Senate, with the exception of the few that went on to form the Rebel Alliance eating out of his hand. It was well within the rights of the Jedi to try and stop him. It was their JOB to do so. They're protectors of the peace and the Republic, and Palpatine was destroying the Republic.
Why not alert the whole frickin Republic that Palpatine is a sith lord?
No one would believe them most likely, though. Like was said, Palpatine had nearly the whole Senate blindly believing what he said.
Originally posted by Lana
Yes, but there are some things that are universally known as evil -- murder being one.
Originally posted by Lana
No one would believe them most likely, though. Like was said, Palpatine had nearly the whole Senate blindly believing what he said.
Yeah... but if Palps started doing things that were unbefitting of the republic and it had been said by the jedi that he was evil, people might say, "hmmm... I wonder!"
Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
I agree, 'good' and 'evil' are not universaly definable terms... they depend entirely on one's point of view.
your thinking to deep for a star wars movie. OF course there is the standard vision of good and evil in star wars. Star wars was nothing more than a good vs evil flick. Georgy boy ( the creator ) acknowledges the good and evil in star wars. there are hints in his filmaking that prove this. Prime examples are the sith always having red lightsabers. The atmosphere around the enemey always being dark and dreary, and ect... At any rate, evil may be a point of view, but if nohting less it is a term used for people to identify with.
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
your thinking to deep for a star wars movie. OF course there is the standard vision of good and evil in star wars. Star wars was nothing more than a good vs evil flick. Georgy boy ( the creator ) acknowledges the good and evil in star wars. there are hints in his filmaking that prove this. Prime examples are the sith always having red lightsabers. The atmosphere around the enemey always being dark and dreary, and ect... At any rate, evil may be a point of view, but if nohting less it is a term used for people to identify with.
I think I'm arguing a different point entirely... serves me right for just jumping straight into a conversation without reading what's already been said. My bad. 😉
Palpatine created the separatists through Count Dooku in case you didn't realize it. 😉 So he started the war in order to gain more power and transform the Republic into an Empire to counter the threat of the Separatists. He started the war!! He was lying to Anakin when he said there would be peace. There was peace in the republic before he plotted to destroy it... which is and was the primary desire of the Sith order... revenge against the Jedi and the Republic for nearly wiping them out a thousand generations before!!
Originally posted by jango fat
Yeah, so da jedi also killed billions
No... they destroyed millions of battle droids! 😆
Palpatine started the war, so it is his fault that anyone dies... he controlled both sides... if the jedi did cause the death of any innocents during this time of war it was because of Palpatine starting the war that required them to be sent out to fight battles.
Therefore, when they discover that all of the risking of their lives and fighting the separatists was all caused by this one person they were justified in trying to take him out!! End of discussion.
If you cannot agree with this then you are an idiot! 😱
Originally posted by Vanquish
The jedi aren't easily manipulated. Even though the entire republic was under the control of Palps, the Jedi's were not. They saw things the way they actually were. An evil leader has manipulated and decieved his way into power, and they had to do what was necessary to make things right. The Jedi's knew that if Palps was to stay in power, countless millions and probably billions of people around the galaxy are going to die. Were they wrong? NO !!! palps kept his power didn't he, and how many people died because of it? Entire planets were destroyed in seconds with the death star.Use your brain dude. The Jedi's ABSOLUTELY did the right thing, even though Mace did not. Every lie that palps told Anakin in the movie to turn him to the dark side, you believed didn't you Jango Fat? If it was you there, it would be hilarious how quickly you are manipulated:
Palps: Jango fat, you must side with me and destroy the republic and kill billions of people around the galaxy.
Jango fat: But wouldn't that be wrong?
Palps: No, of course not, it's the right thing to do, from a certain perspective.
Jango fat: Ok then, since you say it so convincingly, fuk it, lets kill em all, i'm with ya...
😆 😆 😆
There's still one thing, mace should have felt the anger in anakin, preventing then, his own death. He let the one man mission of his to cloud his judgment and he paid for it. Electrically LOLOL
Originally posted by Lana
Yes, but there are some things that are universally known as evil -- murder being one. Palpatine, by starting the Clone Wars, was directly responsible for the deaths of many people. He was corrupt and manipulating everyone around him to take power. He had the entire Senate, with the exception of the few that went on to form the Rebel Alliance eating out of his hand. It was well within the rights of the Jedi to try and stop him. It was their JOB to do so. They're protectors of the peace and the Republic, and Palpatine was destroying the Republic.No one would believe them most likely, though. Like was said, Palpatine had nearly the whole Senate blindly believing what he said.
You said it. I agree 100%.
Even among different cultures, some things are universally agreed to be 'wrong.' Good and evil are not just 'points of view.'
If I murdered someone for a laugh, would that be good 'from a certain POV?' Of course not!
The Jedi had EVERY right to take Palpatine down.
palps not evil, the jedi had no right to try and arrest him? now i've heard everything. the man started a war galatic war to get revenge against the jedi and to start an empire where he is the emperor. i know this is EU but the sith at one time ruled the galaxy under oppression until the jedi/sith war happened. mace doesn't mention that war in ROTS but he touches on the fact that sith did terrorize the galaxy at one point. dooku even said that hundreds of senators are under the influence of the dark lord, meaning sid was using the force to manipulate the senate. is that not evil enough, or does palp need to do something more like blowing up planets with billions of people on it. 🙄
lol! this is not a philosophical debate on morality and the definition of good and evil.
if you asked lucas, he would tell you the sith are evil the jedi are good.
the story was meant to be this way, its a fantasy film in space. good and evil are definitively portrayed in these films.
and Palpatine is evil.